Here on principle for the 3rd party apps.
I realize the hardware and software cost money for a site. I'm ok with paying either by a friendly use of ads, or a decent subscription.
I was on the verge of starting to pay for Reddit to stop the ads when I used the website. I happily paid for my 3rd party app. But that was right when Reddit nerfed the subscriptions and went to their current version. And then stopped the API.
I happily paid for the Lemmy 3rd party app. I need to look into donating for the server.
At least not as an expensive leech at the head of the whole thing. He probably earns more on his own as what every single instance collects in donations.
A social network/online community can either be significantly profitable or healthy for its users. Pick one
I find the moderation is better here. My posts aren't being removed because they didn't match some forced title formatting or some other arbitrary reason.
People also aren't just redirecting people to decade old posts and megathreads which is nice.
Think about what AskReddit is like with the same kind of posts over and over again because they decided to limit posters to the title text.
I had a really positive interaction with a mod on a NSFW instance. I commented on how I thought the dude was working in an unsafe manner...
I wasn't banned! If this has been reddit I would have been banned and told to Fuck off.
It's nice to have a place to go that'll engage in conversation and education when needed.
If communities end up with hundreds of thousands or millions of users, you will start to see more rules here too.
I’m not saying any specific rule choices are good or bad. But they become increasingly necessary when the user count crosses a threshold.
That's part of the reason I am hoping Lemmy doesn't become the new Reddit with a total migration of users. I like the smaller userbase as selfish as that is. I feel like at least with the federated nature of Lemmy we would see less power mods that run a majority of communities preventing crosspromotion with other communities/instances and limiting feedback.
I get why rules need to be added as a community grows but with Reddit this seems to mean a lot of micromanagement over things that wouldn't effect enjoyment of subreddit members and adding hurdles for new or infrequent users
Here's a hypothetical example that kind of goes along with my previous comment:
I want to post in a Elder Scrolls game modding subreddit asking about quality of life mods for games before Skyrim. It gets removed because the subreddit requires you to tag a specific game using a format like [Oblivion] or [Morrowind] for easier searching and sorting. The issue is I am not just talking about one game and tagging every TES game since Arena would eat up a lot of title space.
In the grand scheme of things it makes sense but it's annoying to deal with especially if the subreddit doesn't clearly prompt users on why their post was removed and people who are just popping by to ask a quick question might be discouraged.
I am hoping we don't see things like that become the norm on Lemmy.
I think a lot of the annoyance that comes from rules similar to your example is the fact it is a system bolted on to whatever is available in Reddit. And the UI/UX is almost always TERRIBLE.
If it was easier to make clean and functional post/comment flows this would be less of a burden.
Your points still stand. But I do think a large proportion of the friction from many rules comes from Reddits architecture. And frankly, the fact that they support apps. If it had stayed just the website, we would have probally seen more movement on improving these flows. But it’s deemed too complicated to support in two formats. Also, Reddit probally just does not give a shit.
I would hope Lemmy could be a place where it’s easy to deploy systems for proper labeling and tagging in niche communities that gain a lot from better taxonomies and other systems.
Yeah most of my communities I don't even have much in terms of rules/haven't spelled things out. It's typically common sense.
As you get bigger... More order is needed to maintain common sense
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3rd party apps.
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Fewer Nazis.
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Small enough to not have ridiculous rules that make it so only the mods and friends of mods can actually post something without it automatically being removed by an automod bot.
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Fewer dickhead mods.
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Either fewer dickheads in general, or at least fewer of them making multiple accounts so that blocking a dickhead actually works.
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Open source, not owned by a megacorp.
So first, these things are why Lemmy is better for me. Obviously, to each their own.
- Lemmy supports different apps, like Reddit used to.
- I’ve experienced less spam on Lemmy.
- Lemmy is full of Linux nerds, like me.
- Lemmy has fewer Nazis in my experience. I do understand that there are instances full of Nazis, but I don’t see their posts.
- Lemmy is open source. I like open source.
Lemmy is so much more performant than reddit.. It is crazy! Try going to reddit's deskop site and then go to a Lemmy site..
Also, reddit is now blocking VPN users, unless you are logged in...
And finally, if I use reddit, I am contributing to a rich guy buying his nth car/house/yacht.. On Lemmy, I am not enriching the wallets of the already rich.
Well said! I also find that the community here is less toxic and more intelligent, but maybe that's just my biased perception
Accessibility is a big plus. Reddit is opposed to 3rd party apps while their official app is appallingly stuttery and feature-incomplete.
Besides what everyone else has said, I find the conversations here to be smarter. People who left Reddit are probably just more attuned to what’s happening. There’s probably less diversity of opinion here but that’s a trade I’m willing to make.
Basically, quantity vs. quality. I chose quality. Even on Reddit, I was mostly into smaller subs where experts responded to questions (like AskHistorians or AskPhysics) than the bigger ones. (I was banned from r/relationships for asking why women always think you’re hitting on them when you’re actually recruiting a team of elite female assassins. The mods apparently didn’t think it was funny.)
(I was banned from r/relationships for asking why women always think you’re hitting on them when you’re actually recruiting a team of elite female assassins. > This is exactly the thing. The moderation and deleting/banning stuff that deserves to not be removed. Just censorship like this. Idc if posts actually are bad I just want to be able to see them and decide for myself.
(I was banned from r/relationships for asking why women always think you’re hitting on them when you’re actually recruiting a team of elite female assassins. The mods apparently didn’t think it was funny.)
Nah homie, that's fucking hilarious 😂
It's owned by money, not people. I left with apis and 3rd party apps. Glad I did, quality has taken a real noise dive. Now I just read from old. If there's a reason, without logging in.
Because I can just use it. Reddit doesn't even allow me to do that without using their shitty app.
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Open-source; no one party has monopoly control over the codebase.
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Federated; no one party has monopoly control over the existing network.
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The operators have no problem with third-party clients.