https://jalopnik.com/florida-cop-empties-his-gun-runs-for-cover-after-acorn-1851255383
Florida deputy Jesse Hernandez screamed “shots fired,” and frantically fired his gun after an acorn fell onto the roof of his squad car, making him jump.
So I watch the video and Jesus fucking Christ. That man should not be allowed to own a gun.
I wonder if he's a veteran or something because his reaction seemed like abject terror and panic. Regardless , no one should have let that man have a gun if he's so terrified and unstable.
The article said he did two tours overseas
Edit: the first comment stated the 2 tours, without any link to back it up. My bad
This article states that he was in Afghanistan and never saw combat.
Idk and nobody I know is shooting cars because of an acorn. I've never considered it either.
No combat vet is blindly lighting up a random object because of it. I'm calling bullshit on his story..
lol of course they light up random things because they want to. They willingly join an organization that constantly attacks other countries. That organization is just better at hiding the truth. Every time there is a leak you see the horrible actions committed by the psychos
PTSD is a very serious issue, and you don't even need to get shot at in war to get it, all that sheepdog cop propaganda can and will seriously give people PTSD just from having to go through it
Did you want to watch the video and tell me that I should stop believing my lying eyes? That’s exactly what happened. Even the cop hasn’t denied it and was let go of the force.
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Clearly you haven't visited other sites... Twitter page itself it's amazing in comparison.
You don't get autoplayback ads, floating popups with ads or to subscribe, etc.
I can block other sites' trash with adblock but I can't see the twit without being logged in which I refuse, so.... Twitter is worse.
Even with AdBlock some of those pages are completely unusable.
At in any case I don't understand your comment, the tweet can be seen without an account. I am confused. I mean I usually have an account but I just tried and works fine without one.
So, I went to the bad place at the bad place, and the cops there were totally meme-ing on the event and seemed to agree he was an idiot and shouldn't be a cop. That was a pleasant surprise, I'll admit.
I also saw a bit of defending his "perception" of what was happening though. It's weird that they forget perception is subjective when the person isn't wearing a uniform though. :shrug:
Stole a couple of the memes with absolutely no guilt about it though.
Do you know how loud a gunshot is..? And he thought the sound of an acorn hitting the car was a shot fired by the suspect inside the car he's standing next to? Either he's lying or he's remarkably stupid, either way he should not have a gun.
The suspect in the car was known to have at least one pistol with a suppressor. That being said, the guy was given a cursory pat-down and could not have had a suppressed firearm on him unless it was in him.
A properly setup suppressed pistol fired from within a vehicle would be fairly quiet, but would sound nothing like an acorn bouncing off a car and you would know if you were hit.
He has no business being a cop if he freaks out when an acorn bounces off a car and taps his vest. Luckily the suspect was not physically harmed and the cop resigned. Hopefully the suspect gets a nice payout from the city.
I think I read that the noise reduction from a suppressor is actually pretty minimal, and it's still in the same "incredibly painfully loud" ballpark as a regular gunshot
Depends. As long as the bullet doesn't break the sound barrier, a gun can be made reasonably silent with a good suppressor, to the point where the sound of the semi-automatic mechanism operating is louder than the gunshot itself. If the bullet is supersonic, then it will still be painfully loud.
They did test them on mythbusters.
For hand guns they work really well ans aren't much louder then a nail gun.
A properly setup suppressed pistol fired from within a vehicle would be fairly quiet
A Glock 17 9mm pistol is 162 db, with a suppressor it is 126 db. That's roughly as loud as a jackhammer. Not exactly what I'd call quiet.
He's definitely PTSD and not responding rationally to the situation. This person is not competent to hold a firearm.
Not you, nor i, nor the cop, nor anyone experience true reality.
We all experience what our brains cobble together from some sensory inputs, saying "it wasn't as loud as a gunshot" is, at best, a meaningless statement, and at worst, utterly idiotic.
you want to blame something? blame the Police force that hired him, blame the cop propaganda that heightened the PTSD, blame the predominant hyper individualist culture in America, blame the lack of healthcare, blame the commonly held notion that mental health is fake and should just walk it off, blame the fact that the nation fails those who served it at every single turn, blame the economic system that requires you to work to live even at the level of an African substance farmer (fun fact, some regions in Florida are so poor that they live in conditions that make imminent post soviet collapse Balkans seem luxurious), etc...
We all experience what our brains cobble together from some sensory inputs, saying "it wasn't as loud as a gunshot" is, at best, a meaningless statement, and at worst, utterly idiotic.
What the hell are you talking about about? An acorn hitting a car might be 50-80 decibels; a Glock 17 9mm pistol is 162 decibels, that's louder than a jet taking off. That is ridiculously loud, perception doesn't factor in at that point. If you can't tell the difference between an acorn and a gunshot then you are not properly tethered to reality.
damn, I didn't realize our ears are infallible decibel meters, nor that it is output into a chart instead of a big sentient tapioca interpreting electric signals (PS: you are inherently not tethered to reality, you are sentient tapioca pudding trying to make sense of a whole big jumble of electric signals)
What doesn't get mentioned much in articles about this: that cop is a military veteran with PTSD... Like, the absolute last person who should be a cop.
Watching the video with this context I feel bad for him.
Like, obviously I feel worse for everyone else affected. That poor woman!
But this man is broken. To the point where an acorn hitting his car made his legs go numb. Made him think he had been shot. Made him unload his magazine at ghosts.
This doesn’t absolve him or excuse his actions. It’s irresponsible for a man that broken to put himself in a position where he could snap like that.
But woof. I don’t envy him or his life.
It absolutely does absolve him, if it's the truth. And he shouldn't be a cop - but how did he end up there? Was he out of options? Lacking confidence and a reasonable baseline of mental health to be able to push himself to try something different?
I uave to disagree on the absolved part. He choose that profession knowing he has issues that should disqualify him from using guns as a part of his profession.
but how did he end up there
He chose to apply for the job
Was he out of options?
No.
What did he actually shoot at though? He had no verified target. Did he just empty his clip wildly into thin air? What was he pointing his gun at?
Edit: holy shit, he shot at his own cop car with a suspect in the back
“He then turned and emptied every bullet from his gun, each aimed squarely at his squad car.”
Did you read the article?
'At his car' is not entirely accurate. Cars can't fire guns, the cops target was the human inside the car whom he thought shot him.
It's kinda like saying 'several people died' instead of saying 'the bomb killed 15 children'. Both are technically accurate but provide different context.
"despite being cuffed, it was Jackson that the officer thought was shooting at him. "
Direct quote.
You have the reading comprehension of a first grader
While its terrifying that he easily could have injures or killed someone from the overpenetration of his rounds at this distance, I actually laughed watching this.
So anyways thats the only thing thats made me audibly laugh in 72 hours, Im jaded, hope everyone is doing great lol.
this feels like a good time to mention that the police fought a legal battle for the right to institute a maximum IQ among recruits
it's common knowledge that if you score too high on the police IQ test they won't hire you, because you're less likely to follow insane orders.
Similarly in most military systems they’ll test you and place you accordingly. If you end up on a turret. You are the dumbass. Sorry.
Cops are among the easiest people to spook. They're like bunny rabbits, but with guns.
Other triggers include
There's a whole cottage industry around training cops to believe they have the most dangerous job on the planet, and everyone is trying to kill them. Having been deployed to a warzone several times myself, we were NEVER taught to be as scared of normal people as police are.
The training is called "killology," and I'm not dumb enough to have come up with that name myself.
Agree on all points. LMAO! May I ask a favor? Can you tell me if you can see this comment? I have a sneaky suspicion something is wrong with my account.
Much as we like to joke about it, to me this hints at the bad state of the mental and emotional care system.
For cops in particular in this case, but of course the population at large, too. A person who is armed - and in the US that can be everybody 2 years or older basically - should not be left without help to get into a situation where they can be this delusional and on edge while carrying a gun. People need help. Medical help.
Whats really bad for cops is if they get mental help that is used as proof they are unfit fir duty. Yes a cop getting help to better handle their job is treat like a bad cop.
Add to that most cops are trained to always be on red alert. Always be ready and willing kill anyone at anytime. Everyone not a cop is an enemy soldier.
Whats really bad for cops is if they get mental help that is used as proof they are unfit fir duty. Yes a cop getting help to better handle their job is treat like a bad cop.
This is even a far wider problem.
People readily accept someone has say, a broken leg and goes to the hospital and will be out for a few weeks.
But have a mental problem? Going to the clinic for a few weeks? People look at you really weird and start distancing. Which is ridiculous, mental issues should not be as stigmatized as they are, an illness is an illness, whether pathological or psychological.
Mental health treatment, for both cops and soldiers, should be mandatory. If we are going to give them the power of life and death over another human being, they should have as much support as possible.
Personally, I think all police should be required to attend a mental health session at least once a month (even more, if they choose to). What happens in that session is entirely down to them. Hell, set up some games consoles, a TV and a small library. If they want to turn up and just read a book for an hour, that's fine! However, they should be required to be in the room, with a trained professional.
This would go a long way towards helping them. They can vent off, get some constructive tips, chill out, or fully engage. All would help. It also helps nip things like PTSD in the bud. Shooting a teen, because they drew a gun on you, and watching them die, is still watching a teen die by your hand.
In a perfect world, it would be a good exit path for retiring officers. Train them up, and they also know what it's like to be in their shoes.
Mental health treatment, for both cops and soldiers, should be mandatory.
Mental health treatment should be free.
FTFY
I know someone who works in emergency services who said that people in those professions are actually afraid of seeking any type of mental health support because if their employers were to find out, they could be put on administrative duties, unpaid leave, or outright fired for being mentally unfit. The problem is systemic.
That's why it has to be required for everyone - if everyone gets therapy, then the ones who actually need it can't be singled out.
Its time to stop thinking of cops as big boys with guns and think of them more like dogs with guns that fire when they bark.
IDC. I'm not a patriarchal cock sucker. Police are literally evil in all sense. Dogs are not.
He shot as much bullets because of an acorn like the whole german police force uses in a whole year.
I was absolutely CONVINCED that this was accidentally posted in c/nottheonion rather than c/theonion
Nope. Its 100% legit
They missed after unloading an entire clip into an unmoving car that had a handcuffed suspect??
I mean that's great to hear, but this entire story is so confounding.
Cops (as a near universal rule) are not good shots. Most of them get tested once/twice a year, and the chief wants to check off the ‘qualified’ box for the students, and go home. So they get a watered down test, and Johnny Law here magdumps and thankfully misses everyone despite being at close range with a red dot sight - the closest there is to cheating for pistol shooting
This same perverse incentive structure exists for most LEO training if done internally by the department. So the public gets cops like this guy
FBI and Sky Marshall’s are the only two agencies that actually make sure all of their agents know how to shoot
Side note is that this guy was reported to be a veteran with PTSD (so he absolutely should not be in this position in the first place)
But this was his actual training kicking in - first response when taking contact is to suppress with volume of fire, which he did.
