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Donald Trump is “safe following gunshots in his vicinity” Sunday, his campaign said. Officials believe an armed person intended to target the former president, sources say. Follow here for the latest.
Nobody should want these guys to finish the job, especially before the election. That's a recipe to end up with President Vance, and the man is an absolute moron. He makes Dan Quayle look like the spelling bee champion.
Donald Trump doesn't deserve to die from an assassin's bullet. He deserves to die of natural causes, in prison.
Vance is immensely unlikable even amongst the republican base. And the past eight years have made it clear that trump can only really get trump elected. The only downside of him going to hell is that it will give republicans a few more years to figure out their post-trump pivot (which seems to be liz cheney).
I feel like with Vance if no one specifically woke him up in the morning and made him his pop tarts he'd just miss the inauguration
You are right, but I dont think the cult would unify around someone else that quickly. In fact, I think chaos that nobody that is sane would truly want would immediately ensue.
On the other hand, every minute he is allowed to operate is a minute that extremists like the Proud Boys, Christian Nationalist, and just an unimaginable rogue gallery of others is actively injected into roles that they can cause extreme damage at.
The unfortunate part is my second point will continue being true rather Trump is bunking in Reagan's torment pitch or not. Mask off will be the policy going forward, just manipulative nasty shit that gets nothing done but the rich richer and the Earth sicker.
Edit: and since I'm ranting I'd like to add; I care not one bit about "justice" served to Trump. I care only that we can recover from and avoid the circumstances that brings people like him to power. Send him to oblivion, lock him in a cell, leave him to die in an old person's home alone once he outlives his use, whatever. I care that we notice what brings these people to power; Fear, Instability, and the abandonment of our own citizens. If we dont educate and care for one another, we are more susceptible to fascism again and again. If we dont strengthen our most vulnerable, and instead cater to those who already have everything, this will just happen again.
Let's not pretend that the man doesn't know exactly what he is doing. His only deficit is in charisma.
Also, if trump's out, I could totally see someone like Romney stepping up, playing the "adult in the room" card, rallying a ton of centrists and economic right folks and getting just enough of the maga types (because he's not a minority woman) to win.
While I would take Romney over the majority of Republicans, there is zero chance that he would rally any kind of enthusiasm with the Republican base. In fact, he would likely drive away undecided voters who were leaning Trump since he is reasonable and the only reason to go with Trump is because of misremembering his time in office or wanting a narcissistic strong man.
Again I only think a Romney type creature could find any toe hold in a post trump... Absence.
But totally speculation, could go 180. Loomis 2025?
There's 0 chance the RP would put Vance up as the new nominee, unless they're already bound and required to.
Then wait two weeks. I'm pretty sure Harris will beat trump pretty easily, and I think she'd beat Vance by even more.
Harris has left it down to the margin on the issue of Gaza. I expect a pivot from here on Oct 12th, at which point I think she'll have it locked up.
Assassination would be good for MAGA. They'd worship him as a martyr.
I'd like Trump to die ASAP. From natural causes, like a heart attack from eating too much McD's.
He is going to be a martyr no matter how he dies.
The conspiracy theories around his death are going to make every other conspiracy theory look quaint.
Why would that not martyr him anyway?
If I were to die now they would say it was so that my soul could lead them.
- Paul Atreides, Dune 1965
They always look for genitalia, Leto thought. Perhaps I should have something made, a gross protuberance to shock them.
There's JD Vance.
There's Ron DeSantis.
There's Jim Jordan.
There's Matt Gaetz.
There are plenty of MAGA republicans in Congress who would step up. To say otherwise is to be living under a rock. Trump is far from the only prominent fascist ass hole in US politics.
None of them will rally voter support. They are all wet blankets for the MAGA voter base, even iif they want to be the next Trump.
I'd love for you to be right but Id say any national gun reform will be crushed by the Supreme Court or a split senate.
I hope Harris is elected and has the brass ovaries to pack the court and give Roberts the finger.
That's probably true. But one of these decades maybe we can figure it out. Not because of Orange. Because of the school shootings. Maybe. Eventually.
Just gonna say it:
Donald trump is the single greatest argument for 2A rights we have ever seen.
Granted: We need at least some basic changes- universal background checks. waiting periods to let those happen. ban bump stocks. ban anything like bumpstocks.Trump being the best argument doesn't change that we need basic reform, and we've needed it for decades.
Why?? Every time someone uses political violence the would be dictator becomes more popular and he can make the state more repressive. Even right now, there will be idiot undecided voters that will change their vote to him because some idiot tried to kill him. There are really no upsides to attempting to remove tyrants with guns.
Did you forget about the part where he started a fucking insurrection because he lost an election fair and square?
He's basically the reason the 2A exists- to act as a final measure against assholes like trump from coming to power.
(In the modern era, it's not a very good measure, don't get me wrong. Dudes with rifles- even LMGs- aren't going to hold out against dudes inside tanks and flying UCAVs dropping bombs... and I'm all for not-idiotic gun control. a firearm painted black is not "tactical"... or any more dangerous.)
I don’t believe that, even in the face of a full coup, (gun) violence will solve any issues. There’s just no way that a majority of people support a violent militia taking over power of the government, no matter how illegitimate some think that government is.
As examples, look at the recent coup attempt in Turkey, or the Wagner uprising in Russia. In both cases the violent uprisings were used by the dictator to cement his power. Guns will not help you.
I don’t know how clear I can be: it’s not a very good measure.
I’m not even saying it’s a good argument.
I’m saying Trump is the best argument for it.
It’s a question of irony. Most hardcore 2a weirdo’s support trump. Yet he’s the best argument for the 2a.
Make sense?
“let an entire country have guns. what could go wrong?”
where was the “good guy with gun” to save the day? excluding professional trained security members
Well, in some sense, that's precisely what the Secret Service was in this case -- the proverbial good guy with a gun.
I think the fringe 2A people basically want a world that is some combination of the wild west from movies and a militarized society filled with bodyguards and escorts.
Note: they all always assume they're a protagonist or antagonist in this hypothesized world, i.e., they're always the person with bodyguards, a body guard, or an outlaw with a gun moving through the tumbleweeds. They're never all the random people killed along the way.
That doesn't mean they can't discuss it Jesus Chris Lemmy simmer down. This isn't couples therapy
doesn't that render the whole question as nonsense? do you think there's an expectation (among the 2a idiots) out there that good guys with guns are immediately emptying clips at anyone who is bad and also has a gun? how would they know?
this is the secret service's job, and they performed it. doing the "good guy with a gun" bit is so obviously out of place here, no matter what you think of guns or trump or the secret service. save it for situations where it actually makes sense.
Ah. I think you have entirely missed my sarcasm of “good guy with gun stops bad guy with gun”.
Most countries have armed security/police without also having a heavily armed population. Plenty of comments of “if you ban guns only bad guys have guns” nonsense.
They promise guns in every hand while hiding behind bulletproof glass like a scared little biatch
i find it strange that there would be shots fired and the perpetrator would survive to tell a tale.
on the other hand, the secret service agents must despise that dipshit more than anyone, since he willingly put their lives at risk multiple times, so i have hard time imagining they would be in on any sort of pre-planned PR show...
The guy was behind a fence, with just the barrel of the gun poking through, so it's not too surprising their shots missed.
The effective range of an AK-47 is 380 yards. The shots were taken somewhere between 300 and 500 yards. I don't think the shooter had a chance of making that shot and it is more likely that he was just trying to make himself famous.
Think of how more famous he would be if he took out the first p[resident who attempted a coup and tried to get his VP killed!
Attempted assassination will get your name on TV and in the history books. It might get you killed or locked up for life, though. So it depends on your life goals.
No one knows anything about the shooter other than "it was a man".. everyone is always filming that swine and they don't have any leaked to fox news of the attempted assassination? This is all an attempt from the ass hole to get away from the debate and taylor swift.
I have this sneaking suspicion that the first attempt was the equivalent of Columbine and, just like with the explosion in school shootings since then, any loser that wants to make a name for themselves is going to take shots at politicians.
Gonna be honest, I'd rather have a bunch of failed assassinations of politicians than any school shootings at all.
As long as they don’t start claiming to be time travelers I think we’re still okay
Anyone with a functional brain knows Trump is a threat to democracy. So I have a feeling this won't be the last attempt
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