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Not Again: United Airlines Boeing 777 Makes Emergency Landing In Denver
https://simpleflying.com/united-airlines-boeing-777-emergency-landing-denver/
It's adding to the growing list of technical troubles at United.
https://simpleflying.com/united-airlines-boeing-777-emergency-landing-denver/
It's adding to the growing list of technical troubles at United.
This plane has been flying for 20+ years before it ran into an issue. This is not a Boeing problem. It's a maintenance issue with United.
You drive your car for 20 years and your brakes fail, it's not Honda's fault that you weren't doing the maintenance on it.
It’s not even really a maintenance issue. This kind of thing happens all the time.
If it were not a Boeing and United thing, it would have never made the news.
If it was Boeing then it would also affect much more companies who use their planes but I just keep seeing United here, United there.
Most of the ‘Boeing things’ we’ve been hearing about have been maintenance issues. Even the initial blowout was a mix of Boeing and maintenance.
Exactly. I flew the 777 for a living. It's a tank. Extremely reliable, flies like a dream, plenty of power. I haven't flown the new generation 777 though and you can bet it's not as safe. Nothing Boeing makes now is.
I used to be a "if it's not Boeing I'm not going" pilot. I feel stupid now.
Airlines suffer the exact same problem. Greed. Boeing doesn't make the engines. GE does (or Pratt and Whitney). They are very reliable engines too. If they start failing in a specific airline, it's a maintenance problem.
Edit: also as comments started, this could be nothing but normal issues, haven't read the article. I stopped reading at "engine issues, including tyre falling off..." What??
By "new generation", do you mean the 777X? Boeing's production seems to have throttled down on it for a while now. I'm guessing they're pushing the 787 over it from what I can tell.
Your 20 year old car hasn't been getting regular software and hardware updates from the manufacturer, though. United has.
That’s a good point, but it doesn’t really hold water here, because if the issue were specific to Boeing we’d be seeing far more incidents from a variety of airlines. United is the primary one hitting the news lately.
Either United has some serious maintenance issues, or someone is trying really hard to short United stock.
Not every emergency landing means there is a fundamental issue with the company. These things happen. If the plane can divert to Denver when it is flying over Montana, they clearly are still well in control.
Right. Emergency landings are pretty common in the case of health emergencies, which is bound to happen from time to time when there are hundreds of flights every day and each one is full of 250+ people.
Emergency landings for mechanical issues are also very common. Check out VASAviation sometime.
Or, check out https://avherald.com/
after the aircraft experienced engine issues.
There is an article that expands on what the headline says. The link is there in the title. You could click on it….and ..I dunno, read it maybe.
The article was irrelevant to the fact that emergency landings happen all the time.
No one was suggesting that there wasn't an engine issue.
But you’re comparing to a health emergency which is not the case of this one. That’s false equivalency and the wrong argument here. The article is relevant. It’s the topic. it states what kind of emergency landing it was. It was not a health emergency.
It is not any type of equivalency, false or otherwise. The comment I replied to was simply stating that emergency landings are not necessarily indicative of some sort of deficiency of the plane. I simply elaborated on it. Nothing more. Nothing less. Please go away.
That's all well and good, but emergency landings for any reason are the worst. At best, it's a huge inconvenience. I had one a few years back because a passenger was acting like an asshole, and it cost a full day of my limited vacation, so I'd really rather not have one even if the plane is safe enough for them to land.
I dunno. I’d say crashes are worse than emergency landings. But then again, I haven’t had the experience of an emergency landing, like you have. So I might be in the wrong here.
Did I say they weren't? My point was that emergency landings aren't a great time and I'd rather not have one, not that they're on the level of a crash. It'd just be nice to not have either of those things.
Did I say they weren't?
To be fair, you did in fact say that "emergency landings for any reason are the worst."
Do you know what an emergency landing does? It means there are now hundreds of people stuck in an airport they're not supposed to be in, so airline staff then have to try to find spots for them on other flights that are often full, if not overbooked, which causes a domino effect that can last days. It means people miss connections, so they have to figure those out, too. The flight I was on, someone missed their kid's wedding because it took so long to get them to their destination. It made airport staff's next 24 hours hell. Oh, and the woman who caused it lost her job and had to pay tens of thousands in fines because it's taken that seriously. It's not just, "oopsie, well let's get a different plane and reboard all the same people."
It's not dramatic to say that emergency landings suck, and everyone should want to avoid them. And if Boeing planes are having that many issues, that's a problem. Guarantee you that the airline doesn't think it's ok, nor do any of the people on that flight.
You don't even have to read the article. Just click the link. The first bullet point of the summary states:
United Airlines flight from San Francisco to Paris faced engine issues, diverting to Denver and canceling onward flights.
after the aircraft experienced engine issues.
It was literally for the reason out of caution that there was an issue with the aircraft in this case. Might not be the best case to be defending Boeing on this one.
A) Boeing doesn’t make the engines B) These things do happen. It doesn’t point to a structural issue immediately. There will be an investigation. Only afterwards can you reach conclusion on the root cause and who might be to blame. But referring to A) it most likely isn’t Boeing in this case.
Someone, somewhere, will find an email or voicemail or taped conversation including an order to 'disappear' John. One day, people will answer for that.
Sadly, I doubt it. They’ll cover it up or bribe people and we won’t hear about it again. The best we can do is keep mentioning his name. :(
22.4-year-old Boeing 777
I still think of the 777 as a new plane. They first entered service in 1995. Stupid time.
Musician: United breaks guitars
United: Hey guys… this time it wasn’t us. It was Boeing
Boeing: No comment
You're gonna be surprised to find out United isn't the worst airline out there. In fact, it's not even top-2, and that top-2 is filled by both major airlines in another country.
Your satisfaction and safety is better than it could be!
Personally had a bad experience with them on top of all the bad press they get. I will never fly united again.
Even with their recent problems, if you are driving any significant distance to the airport, you're far more likely to be killed in a traffic accident on the way there than you are on the airplane.
They have thousands of flights a day. You have nothing to be worried about. Not that it couldn't happen, but it's so beyond unlikely, it's not actually worth a minute of fretting over.
I think what you mean to say is that a decade ago and earlier it was very unlikely but in recent years it's becoming far more likely, and you should absolutely consider the possibility that the airplane will fall apart because there's no reliable quality control and the company that manufactured it is staffed by amateurs.
Who would have thought that when you bail out a corporation indefinitely and shield it from any competition or liability it would eventually erode because it knows it will never have to actually face consequences for creating a bad product?
I've been flying since I was a child. I've never feared flying. I'm now feeling slight dread about future trips. For the first time in my life.
Capitalism, folks!
Kayak put in a filter for aircraft, at least on their desktop site. Might bring some peace of mind if you can filter out Boeing.
I hold a flight instructor certificate, or did before it expired.
I went to mechanic school.
I don't work in aviation anymore.
The Boeing 777-200 involved in the incident remains out of service, causing multiple cancellations and affecting corresponding flights
Did they fire evwryone who knows anything about capacity planning and trivial Business Continuity? Ready the standby gear at the major hub and get it to start taking the load. United seems like a stuck door handle is an insurmountable upset.
Yeah, so many of these incidents lately have been United incidents. The Boeing part is perhaps related, perhaps coincidental. But United is struggling hard with proper maintenance, it seems.