It's been hard trying to ram into liberals' thick skulls that the "lesser evil" voting shtick that comes every four goddamn years doesn't quite energize people to haul their asses to the booths, especially when said lesser evil is the incumbent. But I've seen some come around recently, so it's something.
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Also doesn't help when the "lesser evil" policy continues to become increasingly indistinguishable from the "greater evil" policy.
We have reached peak evil. There's no crime that is actually worse than genocide. Libs have lesser-eviled themselves to the bottom of the pit and arrived at the ultimate evil. technically they've been there for a long time, but the rank and file had no idea. Now they know what's going on, it's in the news, it's on their social media.
Look, you're just going to have to hold your nose and vote Genocidal Fascist Party. You don't want Fascist-Genocidalist Party to win, do you?
Also, Donald Trump is an evil fascist, but he's a cheap evil fascist. He would definitely inflame tensions with rhetorical support for Israel, say "Jerusalem is definitely seriously the capital guys", and probably appoint his son in law as their diplomat.
...but he probably wouldn't send them free weapons. There are a lot of areas where he is the greater evil but I don't actually think this is one of them.
The libs would actually pretend to care about Palestinians and pretend to side against Israel if Trump were president.
Lib here. I care about Palestine and I also feel strongly that Israel shouldn't even have been established or founded in the first place. Here's why; state of Israel from the get-go grabbed land, was hostile and violent against Palestinians... When state of Israel was getting established they bombed in cities and villages and terrorized the population... Then they massacred a village. That's how Israel formed. There was 10% Jewish and the rest 90% were Palestinians and Arabs (Christians and Muslims).
Probably if You ask enough liberals you'd find out that most don't agree with the history of Israel and it's fucked up ways against humanity.
Also Britain for the most part was responsible for all of this Palestinian/ Israeli mess to begin with. Then everyone else (other western countries) got involved.
So you think Israel should never have been founded, and think they’re massacring villages, but simultaneously say Palestine should just sit there and keep “peacefully protesting” because the Great Moral Westerner™ said resisting oppression is bad?
How does that make any sense?
After watching the way liberal scum reacts to Hamas, I'm convinced Black folk should've been had a Hamas analogue. Grandmaster Jay didn't go far enough.
The coolest way to short circuit peoples brains is to say “the state of israel doesn’t have the right to exist”.
Probably if You ask enough liberals you’d find out that most don’t agree with the history of Israel and it’s fucked up ways against humanity.
Then where's that energy irl? I haven't met a single lib who ISN'T full-throatedly 'genocide the Palestinians if they won't stop resisting'. It's easy enough to claim you and yours are against it; but your assertion categorically doesn't match reality.
Ive only seen conservative chuds at the coal mine support palestine. All the democrats in the coal mine want to nuke gaza, and use those words.
There is an intense enghusiasm among some communities for a big war, regardless of what it is.
thats because a lot of fringe conservatives are also dissillissiouned with liberalism tbh, ive noticed the same thing with working class, right wing liberals; they are much easier to talk too as they are themselves on the fringes of liberal society and usually are only holding the 'right' position due to alienation and as a reaction to the perceived status quo.
Lib here
Might I persuade you to reconsider this part? Liberalism/neoliberalism is what produced and maintained Israel, along with many other genocidal projects across the world, even if the liberals in your community shake their heads and then vote blue anyway.
he's not a fascist. Many of his supporters are but he clearly just does whatever gets attention.
the primary difference is that he actually doesn't do as much fascist shit as they want him to
he didn't for example start any wars despite fascist doctrine clearly advocating for progress funded through the spoils of war
This is true, although it could be argued he did attempt to start one by killing the Iranian general in Iraq.
He does seem to understand at some level that Americans (actual people not the lizard-people in the big buildings in DC) don't want war. And that if he wants to do a war he has to have an extremely strong "reason" to get the bloodlust flowing. Another 9/11 type thing.
I'm not so sure that would totally even work now days though. I think that's part of the frustration from the Hillary Clinton types and John Boltons (same person?) is they can't just racistly say "hate China!" They gotta do a decade of racist bullshiting and lies to prime the hogs and then maybe... I'm still not sure it's working though.
People are racist, they don't like other cultures due to propaganda and lack of exposure, etc., but a war where THEY have to do something is totally different and few, very few, are ever going to volunteer or even let themselves be conscripted for some war in Iran or proxy with China, etc., imo.
Everyone now saw the Iraq and Afghanistan wars that, even from the US perspective, was a complete shitfest for normal people. Of course they don't care much about the lives in those countries, so that's why I say from the American perspective.
In any case, I do believe Trump "gets" a lot of this and he does value being loved more than anything. If that fucker went into office and signed some significant concessions with China, Iran, Russia, etc. that dialed back tensions by reducing American military presence everywhere he'd be hated by the lizards but probably loved by a lot of Americans.
The president can do a lot of shit just unilaterally, it's just a question of willpower. I dunno. Even if he restarted normalization with the DPRK and actually ended the stalled Korean War, I mean, I'd give him a lot of credit for that alone.
I wish he'd also remove the Cuban embargo but he's got some gusano in his ear on that one telling him no.
It's crazy the good a president can do at any given moment and yet they all choose to do... nothing. Or the bad thing. It's bleak.
no it's simpler than that Trump is too selfish to want a war. He simply doesn't care enough about other countries to want to kill them
Most liberals don't give a shit and are arguing in bad faith, be it consciously or not
Most don't, but a good portion do. Many of us in the West were once disillusioned libs, even. It's absolutely necessary to further the disillusionment many have with the Dems, if not to turn them over to socialism then to weaken the duopoly and gain strength from the increasing illegitimacy of the system.
Yea at some point you can't use the same person with the outchx of "vote for him.and he'll be more progressive" after people have watched that not happen 6 times with their own eyes.
So to counteract that liberals wrote an op Ed telling that person they're wrong and stupid.
Easily the funniest thing would be Biden winning the electoral college but losing the pop vote.
One person in each state writes in Parenti so he gets all the Electoral College votes and becomes president
hacking the voting machines not to cheat the election but to remove all the presidential and senate votes.
Funniest outcome: Biden has a massive stroke shortly before the election, Trump wins easily vs a literally braindead opponent, then trump dies of McCardiacArrest before taking office, leaving us with president, uh idk maybe Matt Gatez or something.
With a similar scenario, we can have 4 presidents in 2025:
January 1, 2025 - January 2, 2025: Biden is president until he dies from a stroke
January 2, 2025: - Trump inauguration: Harris is president until she hands over the presidency to Trump
Trump inauguration - Trump heart attack: Trump is president until he dies from a heart attack
post-Trump heart attack: The VP becomes president
Hey champ, can we maybe not talk about genocide right now?? Huh bud? Chief? Can we not do that while the most important election of our lifetimes is happening?? That ok buddy?
1 year into the term: hey buddy it’s only been a year. These things take time. Be patient.
2 years in: champ it’s almost midterms. We can’t lose the Senate over Palestine, the adults in the room have more important concerns.
3 years in: fam we have [arbitrary self- or GOP-initiated crisis like a government shutdown or Supreme Court decision] to deal with. This has to wait. We only have so much political capital.
4 years in: this is the most important election
"Don't let perfect be the enemy of being good"Liberals will blame three groups in this order: "Woke" leftists against genocide, Palestinian/Arab Americans, Black people
Probably any latinos that vote for Trump too. It happened in 2020 as well with neoliberal going from praising black voters for stopping Bernie to making racist comments about latinos for voting Trump in Florida.
The only Black voters the libs praised were the copsucking Tom-and-Sally-assed misleaders who immediately got behind Kamala. They were going HOG WILD dumping on Black men about "oh it's wide-spanning misogynoir that makes them not vote for Kamala and totally not the fact that she's been billed as California's 'Top Cop' for half a fucking decade on three strike laws"; and they're probably gonna do it again when Kamala actually runs for presidency; 'cause you can't tell me she's not just a Black Hillary in the making.
Deadass I know I shouldn't; but after all the bullshit the DNC's lapdogs tried running in 2020 against anyone who refused to back Genocide Joe and Top Cop Kamala, I automatically side-eye anybody who makes broad, sweeping accusations of misogynoir in political spaces as DNC agents.
Yeah. I'm cool with it. Fuck those fascist shitheads. Some 
were handwaving "Genocide Joe" saying it was a GOP talking point. Fucking hell. I used to wonder, how could the Holocaust happen? How could so many people be complicit in something so horrible? I still don't understand it, but I'm afraid I'm starting to.
The rhetorical refuge of libs trying to vote scold right now is that genocide is going to happen either way, so you need to swallow your selfish pride and vote for the least bad genocide enabler.
A vote for someone endorsing genocide is apparently not approval of the genocide either. Vote for genocide but shake your head while doing it so everyone sees you disapprove.
In this day and age, my 'selfish pride' is the only thing the government hasn't managed to rob me of yet, after taking everything else that could allow for a comfortable, equitable life that didn't mean selling every last iota of my waking time to some capitalist piece of shit who will sooner steal my labor than pay me what I'm worth.
So I'm keeping it, and they can eat the blackest part of my ass if they think I'm going to discard it for them. These ain't allies, comrades, or countrymen.
I dont get how libs dont recognize how vote scolding just galvanizes whoever theyre scolding against them is the thing. Like it works on literally noone. Is it just a ritual to virtue signal to the in group?
Is it just a ritual to virtue signal to the in group?
Yes. Dems are a lifestyle brand, its all an just an aesthetic.
i've got that thing from kill bill where a siren goes off when I see someone's face, but it's cotton eyed joe when I see Genocide Joe
Trump could put them in camps and libs would tell them they deserve it for not voting harder
They're already fine with immigrants being put in concentration camps so it really isn't a stretch
Bit idea: Joe Biden is a tankie.
- Supports sending the tanks (to Ukraine).
- Supports Muslim genocide (in Palestine).
See? Bona fide tankie.
we'll call this one "comradely affection", but we're watching you
Lathe time! Biden will be called a tankie not because of the reasons you listed, but because he's not right wing enough.
I was banned from two different lemmyworld political coms for being against this kinda shit lol
well done
TYFYS 
Most low income people were materially better off under Trump, whose pandemic policies resulted in the lowest childhood poverty rate since the 90s. (These welfare policies were cancelled or expired under Biden.)
Dems will still assume 3rd party and non-voters have a strong Biden preference.
If not for the pandemic, he wouldn't have done any of it. It wasn't a particular position of Trump's to give that money, he just was in the position to do so at a time of crisis.
The intent doesn't change the reality. If your kid only had food to eat because of a Trump policy and you're presented with a choice between him and a nigh-identical ancient piece of shit, which one do you think you're going to pull the lever for?
Nigh identical ancient piecee of shit that let the expanded child tax credits expire putting you back to where your kids couldn't depend on having food*
I agree 100%, people won't understand why things happened, they'll just know that they got money from one old weird fucker and got that money taken away by another old weird fucker.
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But how many people are going to see it that way vs just “Trump instated these programs that helped us, Biden took them away.”?
Very few. Talking to rural Americans and a common thing they'll say is, "I remember the economy being a lot better under Trump."
At this point, does it even matter what their spin doctors and their strategic autopsies conclude? If an electoral system only presents two options against genocide: feverish support, or guilty complicitness then it's fucking useless, it belongs in the garbage. It sucks that it took me a genocide to really really recognize how useless partisan electoralism is, because it's hard to dispell the illusion that maybe it'll give you some crumbs if the right guy comes along. Nope, not even in the face of genocide will it cede an inch.
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They can line up along party lines because it spurs controversy, which increases turnout and publicity. There’s plenty of money floating to both sides to balance that out.
Our cowardly, self-serving politicians won’t dare bite the hand that feeds them. The Mossad is our second pair of eyes in the Middle East, and Israeli backed AIPAC money runs deep in American politics.
Idk tho today's election results look pretty bad for the GOP lol. Just like the midterms did. Its possible that Joe himself will lose the presidency while GOP lose heavily elsewhere though? But like, the GOP is still dealing with a deflated base that got what they wanted in Dobbs and don't care anymore, and continue to run on culture war bullshit that noone actually cares about.
There's also the issue of RFK Jr, who is apparently mostly pulling votes from Trump.
Like yes absolutely 100% the genocide is going to deflate the zoomer vote* that helped Dems out so much in the midterms but I think the GOP is having electoral problems too, not the least of which that they support the Genocide too, which is going to make the whole thing a mess.
*Not to mention the Muslim vote which obviously tanked for good reason, and is a material thing in at least one swing state.
God RFK has been such a pathetic worm on this issue
I know he sucks for other reasons but it especially pisses me off that he knows that Sirhan Sirhan is innocent and thus should know that the CIA framed a Palestinian for his father's murder and yet he still supports zionism like a miserable little cuck and both sides this genocide
Meanwhile he has no problem with actually being antisemitic to jews with his insane covid conspiracies
This election is like the end of Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles game last Sunday....both teams desperately trying to lose
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It's very easy to imagine democrats having a good election otherwise and just losing a couple of swing states and thus the presidency.
Yeah I was going to say, the GOP has failed to find a particular angle to go after. I think Trump's legal problems are too confusing for the average chud to care about and it's not enough for them to care about their local politicians, or it's not something that grants them to say racist stuff.
Also as dire as the culture war is, I do have a gut feeling that it's just not enough to organize around. Conservative voters simply don't care enough. Whether that's because they don't understand, or they have limited exposure to the trans people they're supposed to hate, I don't know. Transphobic legislation keeps failing when it's up for public referendum. Abortion referendums keep failing to restrict abortion rights as well. Republicans have to keep slamming those through without votes through state supreme courts or legislature. You're right, they're getting what they want with abortion, it's practically illegal in half the country. They're failing to move onto whatever's next.
I don't really know what the strategy is going to be here. The Republicans really do seem adrift when it comes to having a coordinated base, like I haven't seen it like this since they failed to get interested in Mitt Romney in 2012, or I guess when Bob Dole failed to capture them in 1996.
Conservative voters simply don't care enough. Whether that's because they don't understand, or they have limited exposure to the trans people they're supposed to hate
I think that's part of it. Trans people are such a minority you can go your whole life without knowingly meeting one if you don't live on a major metro area. What they hate is a bunch of caricatures they see on online social media, but there isn't much place to direct that hate. As opposed to the segregationist south, they had black people in your zip code they could easily walk up to and express their bigotry towards. It was easier to keep the hate flowing cuz there was actually a concrete "other" that was moving into your space. Some CHUD in Nebraska would probably have to drive two hours to find the nearest trans person. Not that they wouldn't but it takes some time to coordinate that shit,
At the risk of entertaining the lib in me, I do think investing in elections is fine for the left if it's done as supplementary. But I'm surprised the People's Party genuinely has gone absolutely nowhere.
Republicans are running on brand loyalty alone, and dems are running on being a reaction to the GOP. I would think the People's Party would try to get one small win in a pretty small state like Rhode Island, make the news or something. While I'm not kidding myself and can safely say that only dems or GOP will be relevant on a federal level, I find that there are small wins to be had at the state and local level, and a breath of fresh air would clown on both parties.
Electoralism =/= participating in elections
Electoralism is treating elections as the primary vehicle for change
Isn't the People's Party a bunch of grifters? I haven't bothered looking too into them, it just seemed like a grift
I'm expecting Islamophobia to become even more ingrained as usual with libs leading the charge and going "If Muslims didn't want Islamophobia maybe they shouldn't have voted for the Muslim ban president 💅"
Nah, havent you heard? The dems won the Kentucky governors race by a few points so absolutely nothing has to change and Biden will breeze to victory in all the swing states polls say hes seriously underwater in
Where was that tweet about democrats looking themselves in the mirror post 2016 and saying "we gotta get more racist"?
Blaming others for their own cataclysmic failures is just about the only thing that the Dems keep their promise on
Are there even enough of us in this country to swing a fucking vote? Why do we keep getting blamed for everything?
Are there even enough of us in this country to swing a fucking vote? Why do we keep getting blamed for everything?
No. And because we don't have any power or ability to influence the farcical US federal elections we make safe, easy enemies. There isn't much currency in yelling at Republicans. Dems already believe they're illiterate sub-human monsters. But they see leftists as traitors and they can enjoy imagining that they only lost because we stabbed them in the back, so they can righteously vent their anger at people they believe owe them allegiance. It's more emotionally satisfying than the old, stale conflict with the GOP.
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Us as in committed leftists with a specific political goal? Probably not.
Us as in people disgusted by the genocide enough to override any “lesser of two evils” argument? Maybe.
BLUE No Matter Genocide
