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https://www.npr.org/2023/12/15/1219048410/giuliani-defamation-trial-money-georgia-election-workers
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/15/1219048410/giuliani-defamation-trial-money-georgia-election-workers
Okay I don't want to be cliche... But if they get paid 1/10th of that money I'll eat my hat*
It's pretty clear, he doesn't have that kind of scratch and I think there are still lawsuits from the voting machine companies.
He claims not to have that kind of scratch.
I'm skeptical there isn't a lot that's hidden, protected, in someone else's name, etc.
And even if he had it, I'm expecting an Alex Jones situation where he's able to avoid paying a ridiculous amount.
Still, I'm hopefull they'll at least be able to get a million each or something. And if Rudy G really does have to live a broke life from here on out, that'd be great.
Edit:. Also, there is like zero chance that a guy made as much money as he did, and hung around the crowd he did, and didn't hide a bunch of it.
So the courts just need to keep taking things away.
He's seen in a new fancy suit, court approaches and makes him take it off and put on a burlap sack.
He's seen dining at a nice restaurant, the court barges in and takes the steak away and replaces it with government cheese.
He tries to board a flight in first class, court automatically changes his seat to a aisle seat next to a screaming baby.
He shall have no luxury.
Can we form a special agency whose entire purpose is to enforce poverty and shame unto rich people who haven't paid civil judgements like this? Make a TV show from bodycam footage and it will be a net-zero agency, probably fairly profitable.
the court barges in and takes the steak away and replaces it with government cheese 🤣
It was a pretty sad day watching those two testify about the death threats they received because they passed a tic tac.
$148 million is a nice ending to that story.
Liquidate his estate, sell off all his assets and drain all his accounts. Any money he makes or gets access to can go to paying the remaining balance. He can keep enough money to be at the federal poverty line. Pissed that Alex Jones gets 100k a month while "bankrupt". Fuck that shit, you were horrible, and you have no right to live a cush life with the money you made from taking away peace and closure from others.
Indeed. Based on Forbes' reporting from earlier this years he has, or had, a net worth of around $80 million. He has an apartment currently listed for sale at around $6 million. He also owns another 12 apartments in NY, 2 mansions in TX, 2 penthouses in Manhattan, and 950 acres of Farmland in Ohio. The courts should leave him a quarter acre in Ohio to live on and liquidate all the rest or just give it to these women as part of their award. If there's no house on the Ohio farmland, the court can just arrange to have a single-wide mobile home dropped there for him to live in.
I believe that they are not allowed to take his "home" in this kind of scenario. That's why I was thinking that a mobile home on a tiny piece of land should be the bit left to him. If they can arrange that it's also polluted from that railway disaster back in February, so much the better.
If he spends the rest of his days in prison, great. But if I'm right and they have to leave him a home, then I like my plan.
I can't speak for them, but ruining his remaining life as punishment for ruining theirs seems just.
$16,171,000 to Freeman in compensatory damages for defamation;
$16,998,000 for Moss in compensatory damages for defamation;
$20 million each, or $40 million total, in compensatory damages for emotional distress;
$75 million in punitive damages for both
Interesting that they determined that he damaged Moss more than Freeman. Maybe one of them got more ugly threats than the other.
Knowing very little of the facts, maybe it’s because Moss is younger and will be missing out on more income, since neither of them can get a job anymore. But that’s just my uneducated guess for the difference.
This is what I'm curious about - assuming he doesn't pay, by claiming he's destitute, what other recourse do these people have? Their lives are completely upended, and they absolutely deserve this money.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The decision comes at the end of a week-long federal civil trial in Washington D.C., where an eight-person jury heard from the workers — Wandrea "Shaye" Moss and her mother Ruby Freeman — about how 2020 election conspiracies spread by Giuliani and former President Donald Trump turned their lives upside down.
Jurors heard numerous violent and racist voicemails the women received, after Giuliani used his massive platform as a campaign attorney for Trump to spread lies about their actions as election workers in Georgia.
It's not the only legal trouble for Giuliani, a former federal prosecutor and two-term New York City mayor, related to his efforts to subvert Georgia's 2020 election.
Freeman broke down crying Wednesday as she described leaving her home after receiving a warning from the FBI that her life could be at risk.
I hope the federal government hangs you and your daughter from the Capitol dome," said one message Freeman received at the time.
"Mr. Sibley has a hard job," said Judge Howell at one point, after it came out that Giuliani had continued to lie about the women while talking to reporters on the courthouse steps earlier in the week.
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