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i switched to vaping with nicotine. zero problem. did not miss cigs for a second. Then I slowly reduced the nicotine over six months until zero. i'm now smokefree since 2 years after lighting up 30 cigs a day for over 20 years.
You both are stars!! I quit 10 years ago and now I am a podium finishing triathlete and marathoner.
Nicely done! That's how vapes should be used; as a means of harm reduction/tapering off, not as a 'healthy' replacement as some people view them to be.
They're still healthier than cigarettes (just because you're not breathing combusted organic matter) so if every smoker switched to vapes then we'd be in a better place. The only issue I have is the huge uptake of vaping among young people who wouldn't otherwise have smoked.
That's what I meant by harm reduction.
Another big problem with vaping is electronic waste/pollution (especially with the cheap disposables).
You also have to worry about cheap atomizers leeching heavy metals into the vapor.
It's not healthy, but less UN-healthy, which is then often called healthier, which is true.
Did the exact same, although it was more like 20 cigs in 30 years. I was very heavily addicted, and got depression when I tried to quit earlier. I finally managed to quit after vaping a few years, and then reduce the dosis. I've been nicotine free for 5 years now.
Gum and patches really do work if you give it an honest try. I'm speaking from experience.
In my experience, they don't and e-cigs do. It’s different from person to person.
I haven't smoked OR vaped for over 3 years after 18 years of smoking where I tried every other smoking cessation method including prescription medications.
Took me about three months of going from smoking to vaping high nicotine to gradually reducing to no nicotine and then not vaping at all.
Yeah the opposite was true for me. Vaping definitely was less effective because it gives you that instant hit which is a big component of the addictiveness of nicotine.
Glad it worked for you though. It's a terrible habit.
I'm glad the other methods worked for you as well! Of all the smokers I've ever known, maybe one or two total have not wished they never started..
That's part of what makes it easier to quit the cigs with vaping, and after that it's easier to quit vaping than it is to quit smoking.
And no it does not give that instant hit smoking does, it only gives a much smaller hit compared to a cig. And that hit helps quit the cigs, but also it's smaller, so it's easier to quit vaping than cigarettes.
The success rate of quitting by using vapes instead of gum or patches is way way higher. Like a totally different rate of success.
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It is hard, but it's absolutely worth it and can be made easier if you slowly transition rather than going cold turkey. No way I could have stopped without nicotine gum. Once I finally forced myself to throw my vape in the garbage and just kept using nicotine gum it was really hard to justify going back to vaping/smoking. Smoking (~5 years) -> Vaping (~5 years) -> Nicotine gum (~3 months) -> Regular gum (still using)
Well, gum is not that healthy either, but at least it's cheaper 😂.
Kidding, it's a lot healthier than smoking, that's for sure.
Damn, I've been smoking for 22, 23 years now... started when I was 16 😔.
I gave vaping a try once or twice (can't remember), but I caughed a lot from it... I'll give it another shot, people here gave me some will power ☺️.
When I would take clients to a smoking cessation therapist, one fact that she would cite was the fact that quitting cigarettes is more difficult than quitting heroin.
I would also be told anecdotally by many of my clients that it was harder to quit than other hard drugs like meth and one person even said crack.
It can certainly be broken, but addiction is a disease and your comment could come off as condescendingly minimizing an incredibly difficult task.
Yes, I can count...
Someone voiced struggling with addiction and your overly simplistic response could easily be interpreted negatively in a demeaning way.
Person 1: "I'm having so much trouble with my obesity..."
Person 2: "People can lose weight."
Can you see how that is not very helpful and potentially demeaning? How someone can feel that trivializes their struggle?
If you had stated something like "Addiction is so difficult, but it can be broken. Don't give up hope." That is totally different.
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Okay, this might be a dumb question, but do different cigarette brands do (taste?) different?
Again, sorry of this is stupid.
If you work on not buying cigarettes anymore you avoid the ads and something for your health and your pocket. Triple win.
Cigarettes are bad and all, but from a business standpoint this is pretty clever. The EU forbade them to put ads on the package, so they're putting ads in the packages. I hope my appreciation of their ingenuity gives the some solace when they're burning in hell.
It’s not wrong to sell tobacco to a grown adult. An adult is responsible for their own choices.
It is wrong to sell addictive substances to addicts.
Sure, adults have the right to smoke if they want. They are, of course, adults. But that doesn't make it okay for tobacco companies to advertise harmful and addictive substances to anyone, least of all the people who are already addicted.
Sure, adults have the right to smoke if they want
Even if it forces everyone in the vicinity to inhale that crap? Smoking has one distinct feature in that it harms not just the user, but everyone around as well.
Being an addict does not make a person an invalid. An addict is still an adult capable of consenting.
Addicts are not in proper mental capacity to make an informed decision especially when in a state of withdrawl
They are burning in hell for:
- putting ads in my cigarettes
- being a big greedy company
They are not burning in hell for:
- selling tabacco in the first place
- selling cigarettes to children:
https://www.tobaccofreekids.org/press-releases/2023_12_08-social-media-report
“The findings of this report make it crystal clear: Big Tobacco is going all-in to target youth on social media and it has to stop,” said Yolonda C. Richardson, president and CEO of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids. “Tobacco companies are among the most sophisticated advertisers in the world – marketing that reaches millions of kids does not happen by accident. Governments need to urgently address tobacco marketing online and ensure that social media companies are held legally accountable for the tobacco and nicotine marketing appearing on these platforms.”
If everyone existed in a bubble then that would be true. Unfortunately your smoking affects others. If you only ever do it outside away from others then it's probably only causing health problems for you, but that's still putting load on the health system. However I'm overweight so it would be hypocritical of me to admonish you too much on that front. If you smoke indoors and near other people then you are making everyone smoke for your own satisfaction.
bro if you think selling tobacco a product i both deeply enjoy and literally need to function sends peoope to Hell you need to go to confession
one catholic to another
I don't understand this take. You can enjoy a product but still understand that it brings more harm than good to society as a whole. I'm guessing tobacco is something you "need to function" because of the very fact that you regularly used it in the first place, probably at least partially due to the industry's predatory practices.
Don't get me wrong, withdrawal is an absolute nightmare I am blessed to never have experienced firsthand, but cases of lifelong dependence are why those companies should burn in the first place. If there were a way to get you and others like you what you need while wiping the rest of the industry off the face of this planet, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
If you genuinely enjoy smoking and believe tobacco has enriched your life, more power to you. Perhaps someone selling tobacco to people in your situation doesn't bring harm, but selling that same product to someone who's never smoked before and might potentially become hooked for life? Yeah, straight to hell. Fuck them.
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They aren't talking about you the user, they're talking about the ones making the cigarettes.
Also, I'm pretty sure suicide is a grievous sin in Catholicism no? Is the difference here that it takes a really long time? Or maybe it doesn't count as suicide because without that cursed knowledge of cigarettes being bad for you, you'd never know you were killing yourself?
I'm just wondering where we draw the line here.
You may want to chat with someone about that qualified to help you because that sounds like a potential addiction based on your wording
but the smokers will never quit, those addicts will pay anything to make everyone suffer for their asshole decision
They're advertising alt-cigarette products, right? Probably from their parent companies alt subsidiary.
I vaguely remember in the '90s they used to have slips like that in the UK. Can't remember if it was advertising or things like "Collect 100 of these tokens, get a 20 pack for free!"
Yeah it says “Heats real tobacco, doesn’t burn” so probably a vape. The big cigarette companies have all bought up companies in the vaping industry in the last years.
not a liquid vape. they probably mean something like iqos, which just heats thw tobacco
That would be false marketing, then. The reason why vapes are much less unhealthy (still unhealthy and wouldn't recommend them for anything except temporary use to quit smoking) than cigarettes is that they DON'T contain tobacco!
There's a big difference between "heated" and "burnt" tobacco. Same as with weed vaporization vs smoking, vaporization is much healthier compared to inhaling burnt plant material.
True, but e-juice still isn't and doesn't contain tobacco, is my point.
The ad might be for another kind of vape that DOES use tobacco, which would still be MUCH more unhealthy than e-juice even without the burning.
You're right, I'm just disspelling a common misconception about regular vapes and including why it's significant.
Be that as it may, an advertisement for vaping is technically a reminder that smoking tobacco is bad for you.
Philip Morris advertising a Philip Morris product by pretending they care about your health
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Australia has all cigarette packets an olive green colour with the usual graphic pictures as well as the same font used on all of them. Seems to work and the manufacturers have slunk off to their kennels.
Oh man, I just don't care at all about ads in cigarette packs. I wish they would make them 5 times as expensive tho.
Come to Australia. On the rare occasion I see someone smoking a real cigarette now I just think "who can afford to burn a $3 cigarette?".
If they were more expensive in my country, I and a lot of other people would just import them illagaly from eastern europe tbh
I would like to apologize for my inadequate level of English proficiency. I am not a native speaker of the world's current lingua franca which unfortunately leads to me making numerous embarrassing mistakes being made whenever I attempt to communicate using this language. Whenever I am reminded of how I lack the ability to convey my thoughts in an eloquent manner I feel as though I have committed a cardinal sin, as though every English teacher in the world are simultaneously shaking their heads and sighing due to how utterly disappointed they are at me.
Although I know that saying sorry to those of you who are reading my comment will not change the fact that I fail miserably to write and speak perfect English, I am writing this as a way to deter a certain type of people who cannot stand poor English (Also known informally as "Grammar Nazis") from mocking me by posting unwanted and unnecessary comments detailing my every blunder. In my humble opinion, making grammatical errors should be perfectly acceptable as native speakers should not expect non-native speakers to be able to communicate in their second or third languages eloquently. If you are able to completely understand what the other person wrote, is there really a problem with what they've written? No, because the entire concept of communication is the exchange of information between other intelligent beings, which means that no matter how the exchange of information is made, as long as the information is accurately shared there is not a fundamental issue with their ability to communicate. To see it in another way, remember that someone who isn't fluent in English is fluent in another language. When you think about it this way, isn't it impressive for someone to speak a second language in any capacity? Having empathy and respect are qualities that are sorely missing for far too many people these days, especially on the internet.
That being said, I am aware that not all netizens who correct others are doing it to ridicule and shame. There are some who do so with the intent to help others improve and grow. However, displaying the failures of other people publicly will cause the person who is criticized to feel negative emotions such as shame and sadness due to the fact that their mistake has been made obvious which severely undermines the point they were trying to make in spite of their unfamiliarity with the English language. In most circumstances people are not looking for language help when they post anything online. Most people just want to enjoy themselves and have a good time on the internet which is why I would not encourage correcting other people regardless of your intentions. If you really do want to help others with their spelling or grammar, I would highly recommend you to help via messaging privately because not only will you not embarrass anyone, you can also go more in-depth with your explanation which I'm sure the other person will greatly appreciate if they want help, but I digress. I know that I've written a bit of an essay, but I hope I've made my points clear.
Before I begin my actual comment, I would like to apologize in advance for my inadequate level of English proficiency. I am not a native speaker of the world's current lingua franca which unfortunately leads to me making numerous embarrassing mistakes being made whenever I attempt to communicate using this language. Whenever I am reminded of how I lack the ability to convey my thoughts in an eloquent manner I feel as though I have committed a cardinal sin, as though every English teacher in the world are simultaneously shaking their heads and sighing due to how utterly disappointed they are at me. Although I know that saying sorry to those of you who are reading my comment will not change the fact that I fail miserably to write and speak perfect English, I am writing this as a way to deter a certain type of people who cannot stand poor English (Also known informally as "Grammar Nazis") from mocking me by posting unwanted and unnecessary comments detailing my every blunder. In my humble opinion, making grammatical errors should be perfectly acceptable as native speakers should not expect non-native speakers to be able to communicate in their second or third languages eloquently. If you are able to completely understand what the other person wrote, is there really a problem with what they've written? No, because the entire concept of communication is the exchange of information between other intelligent beings, which means that no matter how the exchange of information is made, as long as the information is accurately shared there is not a fundamental issue with their ability to communicate. To see it in another way, remember that someone who isn't fluent in English is fluent in another language. When you think about it this way, isn't it impressive for someone to speak a second language in any capacity? Having empathy and respect are qualities that are sorely missing for far too many people these days, especially on the internet. That being said, I am aware that not all netizens who correct others are doing it to ridicule and shame. There are some who do so with the intent to help others improve and grow. However, displaying the failures of other people publicly will cause the person who is criticized to feel negative emotions such as shame and sadness due to the fact that their mistake has been made obvious which severely undermines the point they were trying to make in spite of their unfamiliarity with the English language. In most circumstances people are not looking for language help when they post anything online. Most people just want to enjoy themselves and have a good time on the internet which is why I would not encourage correcting other people regardless of your intentions. If you really do want to help others with their spelling or grammar, I would highly recommend you to help via messaging privately because not only will you not embarrass anyone, you can also go more in-depth with your explanation which I'm sure the other person will greatly appreciate if they want help, but I digress. I know that I've written a bit of an essay, but I hope I've made my points clear. Anyways, here is the comment I wanted to make: lol
Nah cigarettes in the EU all have pictures of gross stuff on them like this. Canada too IIRC, but it's been a while since I was there.
a guy in a bed isn't gross compared with we have in brazil lol, it's straight up open wounds NSFW
Yeah they have stuff like that here too. Some are pretty tame like someone in a hospital bed and others are like legit photos of cancer like your example.
Yep, and Australia. Been a thing for a long time.
And we have plain packaging laws too. No branding at all.
Yeah same here, all the boxes are the same with a small line of text with the brand and "flavor" or whatever
That is a practice that is at least few years old. I've seen similar cards with ads of IQOS (or Heets? I don't remember) produced in many languages for European market.
Yeah, sometimes they put ads into stuff you buy. Not the biggest problem, but it is mildly Infuriating.
For the commenters: Oh no, an ad only smokers can see.