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Ya know. The fact that active users was going down made me feel like part of the 1% of stubborn assholes but ever since RiF went dark the only time I've been on reddit is when a Google search took me there because fuck spez. I'm in it for the long haul. I won't be going back. And ya know what? Fuck Google too. I've migrated to Firefox and DuckDuckGo since then too. Idk maybe it's just cause I am stubborn but I refuse to be a hypocrite.
I've done the same. Even installed linux on my gaming rig. Also moved everything to proton.
Agreed. I may be principled to a fault, but I'll never go back to Reddit. It has that corporate miasma to it now.
Truth be told, it had the miasma long before the API changes, but that was the point where the boiled frog croaked for me.
I've installed Libreddit to redirect any Google searches that lead me to Reddit. They're not getting my visit!
I hope you're donating to the respective libreddit instance hoster, because unlike Reddit, they're not a multibillion corporation with a steady ad income to pay for their traffic
If you're not, then I suggest you use old.reddit.com with uBlock Origin
it's an android keyboard that specializes in thumb movements, and in principle anables one to type fast using a single hand. That being said it is devilishly difficult at first and it has no autotorrect or suggestioins as of yet, causing small misspellings here and there
Search for com.dessalines.thumbkey in F-Droid
Hello fellow stubborner!
Just gave my windows PC to upgrade my kids gaming setup, Linux on a ThinkPad T490 for me now.
It's such a fresh feeling, no more crap everywhere.
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i hardly use lemmy compared to rif but i was under the belief reddit content is just better but the app sucks. i was wrong turns out it all sucks. rif just gave the shit a tuxedo.
nowadays i look at reddit and the content is asisine its all the same shitty headlines and weird ask questions "how much sex does the average woodchuck have during football season?"
it feels like Facebook. lifeless and like everyone is pretending
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I assumed active users was going down partly because some of us created multiple accounts on different instances in the beginning to get a feel for it all, then ended up just using one
Really has felt like the thrediverse has been quite active lately. During the exodus we had a lot of posting about... the exodus. But now we have a lot of posting about actual topics and what feels like a pretty healthy community building save for a few instances that will probably get defederated before too long.
Same I find the engagement is raising. The threads here are more sincere. Sure it's not as active when it comes to some things but that's fine IMHO. Building an online community right takes time.
I also feel that people here are much nicer, and willing to engage with content. Even tiny communities usually make pretty great posts.
I greatly appreciate the lack of reddit meta getting repeated adnauseum. 69 and 420 references really stop being funny when repeated in so many threads.
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People say this everywhere, but I’m not seeing it. Say something that disagrees with whatever the main opinion is and you’ll be downvoted and called an idiot.
That's just how forums work. It's a collection of people who want to discuss topic A. If you say "I don't like topic A" it seems out of place.
I’m fine with being downvoted and being called an idiot. I’m not fine with being reported and then being banned, which is what that other site turned into.
I've actually had very pleasant disagreements with folks. Even some admitting they were incorrect on something and not being given grief over it.
I definitely feel like there's a more open discussion environment here.
We all have different experiences though I suppose.
Yes, absolutely.
And you know what?
I love it, just the feeling of actually engaging of people. Something I didn't have on Reddit. I think it really opens my eyes on how much our attention gets commercialised.
I mean it's fine, improving federation is always welcome, it's just dull when you go to the fediverse and all they talk about is... the fediverse
Oh sorry, I wasn't clear enough. I'm taking about the posts that have an authoritarian slant to them.
"There should only be one (memes or whatever) community across the fediverse. Someone... should deal with all these copies."
Fedi doesn't map exactly into their single server reddit experience. They want to re-create king spaz for some reason. It was kinda gross and I felt a few randos really showed their ass.
Blimey there's a name from the past. I remember painting a Citadel Miniature (white metal job) of a demon of Slaanesh. That would have been around 1986-7ish. Four armed thing and looked bloody nasty! That was before Warty-Forty really took off.
I moulded a little skull out of Milliput, with a tiny snake running in through the base and out of an eye socket. I separated a foot from the base and lifted it up a bit and stuck the skull under it. White metal is quite soft but you have to be careful. I spent quite a while modelling "grass" and such. The grass went from a dead looking green/brown around the demon to normal in a sort of circle of ruin.
Nowadays my eyesight can barely see a 00 brushes' bristles, let alone let me use one.
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Because that Picard maneuver guy carries the Lemmy network with a ton of spicy memes. A true real one
I actually named my Mastodon account that.
I like that my profile (on mobile at least) looks like he's Riker maneuvering a Riker maneuver:
Cocky cowboy move or really back injury, we will never really know.
https://screenrant.com/star-trek-riker-chair-maneuver-jonathan-frakes-explained/
Yes, I believe so. I've only seen the TNG movies once, so my memory is a little fuzzy.
The comment you’re replying to is replying to a comment with Picard doing a little dance. Thats from Insurrection.
Your mention of Geordi makes me think you’re looking at the comment with Geordi sitting as Riker does his maneuver, which is out of the comment chain.
You’re right, MrGG asked if it was Insurrection and I based my reply off the other gif right below it, wouldn’t have noticed if you hadn’t pointed it out. Live long and prosper
I feel like this was after one of those training simulator episodes where they go to different points in time but I'm probably wrong
that guy is a legend and also confuses me every time I see him outside of a star trek community
I also just joined in the past month. You're welcome
I did because I was on a different Fediverse link-aggregating forum that was pretty quiet and getting quieter, and all the communities and threads I saw over there came from this instance. It just made sense to join directly so I could post and get proper notifications.
The supernova from Rexxit sent a lot of small pieces flying out everywhere, but things will start to aggregate back down to a few winners over time. I went to Squabbles, Kbin.social, and then Discuit... but now I'm just here and Discuit. I like Discuit's look and feel and users, but it's not super active.
It's probably because I've commented a couple of times. Usually I have nothing to say, but I've felt rather engaged lately.
Please, please. I'm just a guy. Be sure to follow to catch a low level comment or two every few days!
Hiring: Low level guys.
Opportunities: Adventurer interactions. Loot. Rumours before the bigger places hear about them.
-- Dungeon management
Same. Never commented on Reddit but here there are fewer comments so I feel like I can contribute
Commenting there seems to be like yelling into a giant void with everyone on the planet, here it feels like screaming into a smaller void with few other people who seem to be super cool.
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It could be about programming.dev and lemmynsfw.com stat changes: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/4235
TL;DR: By default, Lemmy only counts posts and comments for active users. These instances also started counting the votes. According to Lemmy NSFW admin, there are 3 times more active users with lurkers.
Given all the different ways “active” is defined we may as well just collect all the meanings available.
Mastodon and Twitter etc, for example, count logging on as active.
While I can see the argument for voting, it is qualitatively different from posting/commenting. Knowing both, as well as log in numbers too might make sense. But muddying the waters is probably confusing … though it is interesting that any instance can define what it means by “active”.
I would say that voting isn't actually different from posting/commenting. It's a process whereby a user takes part in a discussion/topic/post. In an ideal world, everyone would post, but we shouldn't act like active people who don't feel like they have anything to say explicitly, aren't here.
Totally agree. Even when two commenters are replying to one another, there is always another layer where they are also addressing everyone in the thread/community/instance/fediverse, which obviously includes lurkers.
The votes shape everything about the platform, so ignoring the lurkers in the stats feels like it's missing an important data point.
Ah, that could be it. I would like other instances to do the same, to me ama voting lurker is an active user
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Absolutely. Other social media platforms count as active when we mistakenly enter their sites :)
Okay, that makes more sense, I was trying to figure out what had changed in the past week. I'm very curious to see how that data would look for other servers too. I think it's more logical to count users even if they don't post or comment, because they are still a critical part of the whole ecosystem if they browse and vote regularly. Even without saying anything, their thoughts and opinions help shape the content and discourse through voting.
And for that matter, weekly active users and daily active users would be two other interesting datapoints. You can see the daily and weekly users on the sidebar of instances, but I don't know of any tool/site that scrapes all of that info and displays it in an easily digestible format.
if you switch to daily stats you can see a big bump on the 4th, and a smaller bump on the 5th, is that when they made this change?
https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats
I think if you exclude those 2 days we're still on a very very slight downward trend, but once every instance adopts the new method it'll be interesting to see what the trend is after that, it could be that users get tired or posting/commenting and fallback to being lurkers
If you look closely, the downward trend actually stopped before the change in stats. We dipped below 33,000 in mid-November, but then started hovering above 33,000 for multiple weeks until the bump.
I came to Lemmy after Reddit's crackdown on third-party clients. Looking back, I'm pretty happy with how Lemmy is going and how it feels right now. The number of users decreased after the initial spike, sure, but it also stabilized at a respectable level. There are things I'm still missing, but the way it is definitely works for me.
Same situation for me. This is such a nice place compared to reddit. I still think it would be better if it grows some more, but one of the nice things about Lemmy is that it has a more "niche" user base
Yeah, same here. I'm not nearly as active here as I was on reddit, but there's not as much going on here and activity feeds itself. It's fine, I read more books.
For me, it's the opposite. Only ever lurked on Reddit, but started posting and commenting more here. Feels more inviting.
I prefer quality over quantity, but more quality is always welcome. I'm not going back to reddit. The reddit alien is about to become the Borg of the shareholders.
Honestly, it’s not surprising. They seem very ban-happy there lately, with accounts getting banned over nothing. And I’ve seen a fair few subs getting the axe as well. When a site gets actively hostile to users and lets mods run their own little dictatorships, people eventually get fed up with it.
Lemmy isn’t Reddit, but at least it’s… also not Reddit :D
I wonder how much of that has to do with fighting between moderators and subs being forcefully reopened
A large number of subs were forceful reopened, and the mods replaced with trash people who just wanted to have mod powers. The purge of people who gave a fuck, is done. I'm starting to see posts and news show up here on Lemmy before reddit. Which kinda makes sense, all the most active posters were forced out or quit and moved here.
True, but public mod logs and having the same community on multiple instances helps mitigate mod power
Good. Lemmy, like Reddit, is fundamentally user driven platform. The most important thing for the life of it is people making posts.
I used to look to Reddit when big news broke because it was always on the front page within minutes. This past year there have been a few times that big news stories weren't even on the top few pages. I gave Lemmy a try, and it feels just like reddit from 2013. I love it. I'm home.
I never experienced reddit 2013 but reddit's front page is gone. They've swapped out r/all for r/popular on new reddit, videos and screenshots are everywhere instead of links and they've even renamed themselves to "the heart of the internet"
Related to the recent reddit mobile site update that straight up breaks the website perhaps? (Cant scroll, can’t interact)
Don't these people test their shit before release? Hobby devs have better qc than reddit
Was my first thought. /r/friends doesn't work on the mobile site now and that's the only thing I ever go to back to Reddit for anymore. That's one content stream I can't duplicate anywhere else.
We must move forward, not backward, upward, not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!
I would use Lemmy more if people on here weren’t so toxic. It’s been bringing out the toxicity in me more than I’m comfortable with. Too many confidently incorrect people speaking on topics they have absolutely no experience in, complex discussion completely boiled down to platitudes without any nuance, and tribalism that rivals what’s on Twitter.
Mac and Windows users are immediately downvoted for not sucking down Linux’s balls in every scenario, a complete cesspool of discussion with regard to Israel and Palestine appears all over the most popular posts, straw men and bad faith discussion appears in every community (with rare exception), and deification of the popular faces in the orbit of any topic without any room for critical thought around their positions is the norm. Dogs and cats living together. Mass hysteria.
I was excited for the fediverse after watching the slow decline of Digg, /., Reddit, etc. but it’s obvious that the worst parts of those platforms are creeping up here too and there’s nothing to be done except wade through the sewage to get to things that are interesting and insightful. It’s a shame but Lemmy will never be as popular as the alternatives were. Techie incels rooted in here too early.
Edit: I’m now banned from /c/technology (or at least shadowbanned on one instance) for not accepting their arguments on piracy. This is what I mean. There’s no nuance here.
I'm gonna tell you something.
While reading your comment i became more and more convinced it would end with and don't let this man distract you from the fact that in 1998, the Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer's table.
Except then you didn't.
Which was a bummer.
You know… I’m gonna tell you something too.
I usually debate throwing that in there and then I realize that, outside of Reddit, that thing doesn’t really work anymore. It’s not an original idea. It doesn’t add anything to the discussion. Outside of being a meme and an occasional source of a good chuckle, Lemmy is too young for something like that. There’s not enough good content here to justify repeated jokes and junk like “Oh no! He broke both his arms! Where’s mom?”
If that means that this is a bummer for you, then I think you need to reevaluate what you’re trying to get from Lemmy. It reminds me of the time when 2 years before the new millennium, the Undertaker threw his adversary, Mick, off of the cage in a match called Hell in a Cell and plummeted 16 feet through the table of the announcers giving commentary on the match. Although it may have been entertaining the first time it happened, it probably wasn’t as funny to the person that was dropped and probably why he never attempted it again.
All that’s to say, be careful what you wish for.
We need to change the way we interact with social media.
My advice, points don't matter and you don't deserve anyone a debate.
Drop the phone or press back and go next if it feels toxic.
Internet should serve you and not the other way around.
If you have something to share, make your essay in a different post with the appropriate documentation and let it sit for someone else to find.
I agree with all of your post except the point about internet points: GP's complaint wasn't over internet points, it's about the lack of nuanced discussion and tribalism.
I only mentioned downvotes because new users are getting downvoted immediately for completely benign opinions like “Linux was too hard for me to figure out” and “I haven’t had any issues with Chrome”. When someone’s first experience with this platform is what amounts to a deluge of negativity, it hurts the platform as a whole. Instead of being presented with better alternatives or being offered help, people are simply downvoted and, for someone who’s new here, downvotes sting when you don’t realize they’re kinda meaningless.
tell them why you blocked them.
Meh. Life's too short. Probably better to just block and move on.
I agree with the part of this sentiment. drop the phone or press back and go next if it feels toxic enough
I think people don't know how harmful the internet can be especially when there sucked into it. doomscrolling can be one hella a drug. As you get sucked into all the latest headlines gossip and drama. Sometimes you might struggle to put the phone down. Due to all this
But I also disagree with this point
points don't matter. And you don't deserve anyone a debate
Isn't the purpose of the Internet to challenge debate and share ideas/infomation with other people.
Isn't the purpose of the Internet to challenge debate and share ideas/infomation with other people.
That is a good mindset to have, the problem is that you're going to interact with a lot of people that do not argue in good faith and aren't interested in debate as much as "winning" the argument using any tactic possible. These people and these arguments will suck your time, energy and sanity and give nothing in return. The best tactic for your own good is therefore to realise that you do not have to respect people that do not respect you, and spend your time and energy more wisely elsewhere.
I'm not saying don't debate issues that are important to you btw, just be mindful of the circumstances where you do.
Agreed 100%. I don’t use social media at all with Lemmy being the only exception and, as I stated in my original post, I’m not really having a good time here so I’m spending less and less of it on the platform. It’s incredibly unwelcoming here.
I can relate to your frustration about jerks and toxicity but I dont share the severity of it. At least I would not say it that way.
Yes, lemmy can get pretty bad (looking at you c/firefox) but that’s normal with niche stuff.
I moderate a smallish subreddit (2k peeps) and get regular questions if I can please ban the noobs that ask noob questions. I politely decline.
This place here is in its literal infancy and saying „its so sad that it will never…“ helps nobody.
Just report assholes, check if you made mistakes and if nothing else helps, make a new community based on that change. That is how we improve. Moaning and spelling doom is a bad strategy in every part of life.
How is /c/firefox a niche community? You’re just reinforcing what I’m saying. The biggest communities here are filled with the worst kinds of people. The ones that should be the most welcoming to entice new users and more discussion are the ones that are the least welcoming.
I do report assholes and I have made some communities but no one joins them when their first attempt at joining Lemmy is being downvoted repeatedly for saying “Windows 11 isn’t as bad as I thought it would be” in the tech communities and then never commenting again.
I’m not moaning and spelling doom. I’m pointing out that if Lemmy ever expects to grow to the point where it’s a realistic alternative to sites like Reddit, then the moderation and, by extension, the users need to lighten up and be open to discussion that may not agree with them.
As was to be expected, you got me wrong. I don’t know if intentional or not but let me explain:
c/firefox isn’t niche, lemmy and the fediverse are.
The biggest communities always have the largest variety of people and will have a lot of demand in moderating, not lemmy‘s strong suit as we‘re still debating if „moderation bad“ or we‘d like to silence bullies.
I‘d also like to see your scientific study that proves the communities that should be most welcoming are the least. This kind of black/white claim isn’t helpful for debate.
Windows 11 be what it may. You shouldn’t be downvoted for using it, correct. I have been downvoted like hell for other inconspicuous things. Thats unfortunate and something you can change by talking about it with people. Make posts, engage, but maybe try to stay on the „i want this to succeed“ instead of „this is going to fail“ side.
The fediverse in general is still finding its identity. You can be part of that if you decide to have meaningful debate.
Btw. opening communities and have nobody join is not a lemmy thing. That happens on reddit as well. It’s only a question if you can hit the right nerve. I‘m neurologically incapable of doing so since I‘m very different from others but some do. Maybe try helping out in other communities and help out that way.
Have a good one.
On the other hand, since Lemmy is made up of a much smaller userbase, I've had a lot of success with just blocking users. When it's one user with 100 comments, it's a lot easier to solve the issue with the tools available to you as a user than on Reddit where you're more likely to have 100 different people making 1-3 comments each spouting blind rhetoric/useless exaggeration/unfunny meme responses. It's not big enough for people to bother too much with alt accounts or brigading yet either.
I do my best to stay away from posts with topics likely to attract that sort of crowd too.
In general while it's not as good as I hoped for, I find Lemmy/fediverse a hell of a lot better than what I left. People are going to be assholes wherever they think they can get away with it, and the best response is to starve them of attention.
Fair enough. I find that with the federation, blocking people just results in my feed being emptier than I’d like to be. It’s already pretty sparse. Removing even more of it just because someone was an idiot in a singular, particular topic seems like overkill for such a small space. We’re just barely getting over the hump where new content is showing regularly enough to where the front pages aren’t filled with the same posts for days. And, even then, it’s not great content.
Yes. Not only have I considered it. I’ve done it. The issue is that the Lemmy communities aren’t that big, even when you’re not referring to smaller instances and just sticking to federated communities, so blocking people just for dumb comments means you’re removing more and more of an already small user base.
It’s a solution to be sure. It’s just not one that I’d care to use right now when me blocking someone doesn’t actually help what I’m perceiving as the issue that is keeping Lemmy from growing.
I use Boost because it has a tagging feature. So instead of blocking people with smoking hot trash takes I tag them so I can read their posts and comments with scepticism in the future.
I only block people who troll and do nothing else.
It's really helpful for not shrinking the pool of comments or posts I can read.
Yeah, I feel like with Reddit I had the opposite problem.
There are so many low-effort, memey comments that blocking each user who engaged in it would cause me to block half the site!
That's the point, though. You're being hyperbolic to suggest that you could even attempt to block half of Reddit. On Lemmy, you could probably actually do that, depending on the instance.
My point is that there's no point in blocking each annoying account on reddit because there are so many.
Yes, I got that. Hence my reply. But they also make up less total numbers than the rest of the user base. That’s not the case here because the user base is so small.
Mmm, relatively speaking, most reddit posts (>50%) have become low-effort/pandering garbage that isn't worth reading.
Dogs and cats living together. Mass hysteria.
Speaking of the Simpsons, do you think the people on alt.nerd.obsessive were better?
Who said anything about the Simpsons? 😘
I never went there, to be honest. All my newsgroups were programming/computer/game related or were piracy groups. I think, in general, newsgroups were better because there was a barrier of entry that was required to get there. Now that anyone can just download an app and spew whatever garbage they want in seconds, we have what we have.
Are you old enough to remember actual flame wars on Usenet, etc.? That's what I'm talking about. The people who invented the term "flame war" weren't deterred by a high barrier to entry.
I am old enough to remember that. It wasn’t a huge part of what Usenet was. I remember downloading the original DooM shareware and finding an entire community of people that were super helpful and showed me resources for how to make my own maps and levels. I learned all about programming, making websites, and video editing. Maybe I got in earlier than you did or something, I’m not sure. For the most part, it was a group of highly technical, highly educated people looking for other people with similar interests. It was great.
I totally get what you're saying, and those things drive me up the wall too.
I've ended up curating my feed heavily, blocking and filtering words, users and communities that don't interest me. Since then, I rarely see any of the whining. If your client supports filtering by keyword, it might dramatically improve your Lemmy experience :)
I make great use of filters on Mastodon and it's improved my experience tremendously for much of the same reasons over there. On Lemmy I use Voyager so it is an option.
I'm hesitant to do keyword filtering because I also host an instance, and I'm concerned that I'd miss something that needs to be handled. I didn't really care so much about wanting to keep an eye on stuff until people were posting malicious content affecting other servers a few months ago.
because I also host an instance
Ah! That rules out filtering. I don't envy what you have to trawl through all the garbage to keep the rest of us safe!
I don't really see anything toxic. Unless you go to different instance which has certain reputations. I didn't realise I was in a tankie instance because I have all instances appear on my feed. I am still accustomed to Reddit just being managed in one site and occasionally stumble into communities full of morons. But since, Lemmy is still has not got much people, I can still spot communities that are toxic because I have seen them before, unlike in Reddit where multiple subreddits appear but serving one ideology or interest.
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Reddit is so censored it's pointless. Almost all the comments seem like they're written by bots or gov guys with square haircuts who think this is what "those nerds" talk like
IMO reddit has loads of bullshit bots and boosting but sadly it has some good targeted communities too.
or gov guys with square haircuts who think this is what “those nerds” talk like
why is this making me laugh so much xD
Most posts are essentially ads in disguise. Bots are the ones running the show here too though.
Bots are the ones running the show here too though.
Is this about hexbear and lemmygrad? These accusations have never made sense to me. They have been here long before it became popular and they had the same opinions back then. It makes no sense and is a waste of resources to have bunch of bots posting stuff when there is no one to read those posts.
Only a matter of time before reddit fucks up again, so we better get the good places before the second wave of migration
They keep a/b testing and rolling out worse and worse mobile websites. They've gone and done it again. For any regular mobile website user that wasn't affected by the 3rd party app issue, or for anyone who switched from a 3rd party app to the website because it wasn't as bad as the 1st party app, well... Now it is. Now it's possibly worse.
So, we might hope for a prolonged period of organic growth now. Especially if Lemmy doesn't get flooded with meta discussions again.
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I started using Lemmy since September 2022 I think, but I rarely open it, two weeks ago I was permabanned on reddit for report abuse, then semi-unbanned, so I deleted my account, and now I'm starting to use Lemmy actively, there are a lot more servers and users now and I found a new nice server.
I'm wondering if it'll be similar to people switching from (convenient & centralized) Compuserve and AOL to (difficult but p2p) email and web. That took years.