https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i8qRasXF2pY
Based on one of the greatest video game series of all time, Fallout is the story of haves and have-nots in a world in which there’s almost nothing left to ha...
I thought this trailer looked fantastic, I don't know what the rest of you all are smoking. As a fallout fan it was more than enough to get me excited for the series, also Walton Goggins as a ghoul chefs kiss.
People need to remember that fallout isn't the last of Us or god of war, fallout is a cool series with a cool world, but it's not a masterpiece of story telling and writing. These showrunners aren't making Lord of the rings over here, it's not gonna be hard to make a decent show based in an established world.
They're keeping the aesthetic and design, so I'm happy. But so many people don't have a nuanced opinion anymore, and a show is either a perfect 10 or it's "unwatchable garbage". I've seen and loved shows that I give a solid 8 to, but anything below a nine gets called "shit" these days.
I mean, New Vegas is known as one of the best written RPGs of all time. So.... there might be slightly higher than average expectations here.
What? It's almost universally accepted that New Vegas is one of the greatest RPGs of all time. Go through any "top RPGs of all time" list and you're pretty much guaranteed to find New Vegas there, usually in the top half of the list.
Greatest action RPGs, perhaps. But even that has little bearing on TV show writing, since the important writing aspect of RPGs is the mass of options, not the actual writing itself.
Wow all the clickbait bot written top 10 list blogs put it in the top half!!!
Maybe broaden your horizon a bit. You're missing out.
These showrunners aren't making Lord of the rings over here
Of course not, Lord of the Rings already exists.
Where were you when we watched Rings of Power?
Where were you when we suffered Wheel of Time?
Wheel of Time is not bad imo. At least not season 2. The thing with that series is that it's not possible to adapt every single thing from 14 books to 8 seasons with 8 episodes. I went into it as a new turn of the Wheel, and while the first season didn't do much for me, with the second one I can actually see the beginnings of something that can become really good. I'm cautiously optimistic about the coming seasons now.
The thing with that series is that it’s not possible to adapt every single thing from 14 books to 8 seasons with 8 episodes.
Completely fair, but when they spend entire episodes on things that could have been easily and faithfully reduced to a 10 minute scene, or spent more than half of the first season on "who's the dragon? it's such a mystery!!" when that wasn't even a plot point of the first book. It's a fair argument, but not when they completely squandered their available screentime on frivolous things. At that point it's just a cop-out.
I went into it as a new turn of the Wheel
I get this was the approach of a lot of viewers, but when you have to do personal mental gymnastics to justify liking the way the adaptation was done, then you've already admitted that it's bad. And forget things like the order of events and such. I'm talking about radically changing the world rules, how the One Power works, and characters assassinations. Rand is supposed to be one of the most gentle and caring people alive. To the point that was slowly driving himself mad with trying to keep everyone safe and alive. The effort to do the right thing was breaking him inside and it's one of the major aspects of his character. And then in the show he murders a guy to get into the hospital where Logain was living. Nope, I have no interest. I have the books and I can enjoy those.
Rings of power was alright once you accepted it's just a completely different adaptation with no connection to the previous films. And is also not being true to the books to a T. It's far enough away from the events that I love in that world that I can separate it enough and still enjoy it.
I still would've preferred a more page by page adaptation of the Hobbit onwards though, especially the hobbit since it's my favourite LOTR book.
Rings of power was alright
No it isn't. It's terribly written. The speech of Sauron to Galadriel was something a five year old wrote. Galadriel just jumped into the middle of the ocean? Also she took a pyroclastic blast right to the face and doesn't even have a scratch? Whereas other characters are fully blinded.
And all the changes, which each on their own might be forgivable, but there where just so many that it all added up to something off-feeling and weird. It would be like shifting each note in a Mozart piece by a little in different directions, and then listening to the whole thing wouldn't be pleasant. This is another one of those things where they made changes for sake of change or to fit a particular story/reveal they wanted to write. Tolkien's works were already a masterpiece, what was the benefit in changing it? At best it adds absolutely nothing to the final product itself, and at worse just makes the whole legendarium muddied and disjointed.
For example, when the show took place Aman was not cut off from Middle-Earth yet. Specifically because it was cut off after Sauron poisoned the hearts of the Numenoreans and convinced them to attack the Valar and invade Aman. As a punishment Eru Illuvitar sunk Numenor into the sea and made all of Middle-Earth "round", so that sailing west would just bring them back around to the other side of Middle-Earth. So to get to Aman after that required sailing through a special path that only the Elves knew about, which is what we see in the show. But before the sinking of Numenor, anyone could sail west to Aman. And, IIRC, in the show we actually see a glimpse of Aman in the distance of one of the Numenorean ships. They regularly would see the shores of Aman in the far distance and wonder about it.
So if Aman was only reachable by the secret path, why could the Numenoreans see it from their ships? But in either case, this is a huge change in the lore and order of events. It might not matter to the casual viewer, but to fans of Tolkien (the people who are the hype-men for these kinds of stories, and generally the reason shows like this ultimately get green-lit) it doesn't make sense and breaks the story.
You might want to re-read what I said cause I agree with a lot of that. Accepting it's so different that I don't even consider it a part of lord of the rings is what allowed me to enjoy my time watching it.
Sorry, I didn't mean to shoot you down or anything. I just really didn't like Rings of Power. There were things I did like, such as Durin and his wife (although all Durin's are supposed to be black-haired). But overall I think it's terrible.
I thought it looked pretty good.
That said, I thought the first few seconds right up until Dogmeat started eating the Radroach looked pretty mid. I got really psyched and excited when I saw the BoS power armor
Looks a bit cosplay-y, honestly.
But also I've never been into Bethesda Fallout, so I'm already not as much of a target for this one, I suppose.
That was my impression too. The costumes and CG seemed a bit goofy to me. But then again, so did the original Witcher trailer, and that ended-up looking mostly fine when I actually watched it, so...
shrugs
Yeah you’re right Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel is where I think this show should’ve taken its design notes from.
It's west coast fallout by Bethesda, and I really don't know how I expect them to handle the established material. I hope they do justice to what's been written already
I'm with you. I was excited once I saw the first look photos. They took a lot of care with costume and set design
It's a very good setting for a show or mini series, but the way the IP's current owners have handled it so far gives me pause. Hopefully the writers will be competent enough to not resort to the "radiation and mutations are basically magic" writing that's been all too common with Bethesda.
I mean we already saw mutants (NOT Super Mutants or Centaurs) in the form of Chris Parnell's Overseer Cyclops in the trailer. The rest of the shots (especially the Yao Guai tearing up that Paladin) make me think it'll be more lore-accurate.
I mean, the way Bethesda has taken Fallout, there's not much that could be ruined, just use a newish setting and go to town
I didn’t realize Jonathan Nolan was a showrunner. The first season of Westworld was brilliant. And Walton Goggins is good in everything. I’ll give it a shot.
What the fuck man where the hell did this spring up from? This just started a flame in my heart.
Is that desire to light a flame in your heart instead of the whole world? You pyromaniac!
Sweet! Well get a season or two and then they'll cancel it just like they do all the rest of the fan favorites.
I'm not sure how that's meant? Expanse was saved by Amazon and allowed to have enough seasons to tell its story.
My hopes have definitely gone up after seeing this trailer. I really hope they don't pull a Witcher.
There's not enough wackiness in the trailer. Fallout has always had a thin veneer of grimdark with a whole hidden iceberg of goofy bullshit and it was amazing.
I'm getting huge "missing the point" vibes.
There are a lot of reasons to not judge it yet. First and foremost, the director/show runner has zero input on the trailer. That's all the marketing department, and the trailer is designed to get as many eyeballs as possible on the final product. Numerous examples exist of trailers which bared little resemblance to the movie/show/game/whatever.
Secondly, they buried the lead on the director. Jonathan Nolan did direct much of Westworld. But he also wrote a bunch of award winning films for his brother, Christopher Nolan. Movies like Memento, Interstellar, The Prestige, and Dark Knight. He's no slouch, and I'll reserve judgement until I see it.
To back you up, the first Doom Patrol trailers did little justice to how weird that show is.
J. Nolan also did "Person of Interest". It's a lesser-known show but it was very good.
It felt like a classic 80s show at first(the hero is a badass supported by an eccentric rich guy to help random people) but, without spoiling it, it takes a very interesting turn.
While i fully agree, a lot of people won't know what Fallout is, and they kinda have to set the basics first.
With that being said, I question whether Amazon can pull this off.
the trailer looks great and really has that fallout spirit somewhere between funny, gruesome and batshit crazy.
Also great to see Walton Goggins in the cast, he's a great actor
I’m on a strict “don’t trust trailers” diet since seeing the new Napoleon film, so I’ll wait and see for this series.
I haven't seen it yet, but one review said it was one of the most unintentionally funny movies of the year.
Also Ridley Scott is doing a hilarious press tour for it.
Scott was informed of some less than stellar French reviews of his film – French GQ called it “deeply clumsy” and “unintentionally funny” – to which Scott replied with the following solid gold banger: “The French don’t even like themselves.”
But don’t think that insulting an entire country is enough for Scott. Speaking to the Sunday Times’s Jonathan Dean last weekend, he also reserved some ire for historians, some of whom have suggested that Napoleon might not be the most rigorously accurate film ever made. Scott responded by addressing the entire historian community. “Excuse me, mate, were you there?” he raged. “No? Well, shut the fuck up then.”
So your saying that its good but not historically accurate. I love history but I can enjoy historical fiction just as much.
Fallout and Walton Goggins! Either of them alone is enough to make this a must watch. Perhaps I Really Am Convinced Yet-again to subscribe to prime..
I mean it can't be worse than the Halo show, at least this looks decent from the trailer.
Can guarantee it'll be better than getting mauled by a Deathclaw either way.
Oh no... The time has come to shit all over two legendary games again... for the second time.
I haven't found a place in my life for these types of TV series. Looks good though just prefer the complete arc of a movie or a mini-series.
Sets look kind of big budget artificial, soapy? Like that is some wicked blue dye on the suits, very fresh. Lovely hair and makeup. All good though I realize it's just not my thing. A cinematic 90 minute fallout movie laser focused on 2-3 character arcs would be exciting to me.
Yeah it looks like it's artificial almost on purpose. The vault opening and there's a neat little skull in the corner...
Tbh I don't mind shitty adaptations that fan service but I think they are missing the mark on this one. I hope I'm wrong tho.
Fallout was an aesthetic that told super dark stories. How will a TV capture the vignette of nightmares that are the Vaults?
Fallout is not a masterpiece of story telling or cinematography. It was written by non writers mostly. It's not the godfather. It isn't going to be hard for professional writers to make it work better than the games, and clearly they're not fucking with the visual designs of the series.
It's almost hard to get Fallout wrong. Unless you shove a kid into a fridge for 200 years, or retcon the creation of the super mutants.
Todd Howard is involved, so I wager they'll get the themes right.
If Howard is involved your can bet the show will be boring and cheesy as fuck.
I'm honestly shocked so many of you are giving this show a chance after the disaster of Fallout 76, Starfield's mediocrity + the weird ass review controversy. It's incredible how much loyalty a corp can command
76 was actually good, and got better with updates. It just had a rough launch, like every Bethesda game.
I agree that their games have been shit for a while, I didn't even think F4 was good, and NV demonstrated that Bethesda shouldn't be the ones developing the series.
F3 was great at the time, but after playing NV, you can see that Bethesda is interested in creating a very railroaded experience (pun not intended).
However, I think a TV show might be fine, seeing as though the stories of Fallout haven't been bad; it has just been bad mechanically.
There’s not really any limits for content anymore. Look at Amazon’s The Boys.
The way you play Fallout / Skyrim / Bethesda games might end up being a perfect format for a television adaption.
You can have a main character and follow their travels in a really strange setting. You can have 1 off episodes with perticular styles much like the quests in the game. You can easily switch from a dark horror filled vault to a campy town the next episode. Kind of like the files would have lighter episodes then some really dark ones and occasionally an episode about the main characters.
Because the fallout universe has a lot to be explored you a smart writing team could do a lot.
TL;DR Gimme Twilight Zone in the wasteland
I mean... you may have missed how episodic television works. Ironic horror antologies have been a thing on TV since the 50s.
Funny, didn't an earlier version of the trailer say "and the studio behind The Boys and Free 2-day Shipping"?
Now it says "fast delivery" with an asterisk.
that was shockingly interesting
this trailer looks better than the Furiosa trailer.