The only thing I'm proud of when looking at gen Z is that they are completely unwilling to go to war for the military complex and giving their life fighting a battle where they have nothing to gain but everything to lose. That's way smarter than my generation or the baby boomers ever were.
Centrist is picking and choosing from each side, not doing a little of everything.
I'm also picking and choosing from each side, which is why I'm a leftist. Does that make me a centrist?
any leftist progression which is enforced into society is suddenly known as a conservative tradition, while old conservative traditions that change are known as liberal progressions.
this is why i call myself a "centrist". some of my ideals are in a progression from what currently is(liberal), while some are in enforcing a tradition (or more often, a law), from something that isn't yet. (conservative)
from my experience, so many self proclaimed right wing and left wing people are so polar among each other when discussing ideas which are not their typical liberal/conservative talking points, whereas centrists are usually the science based kind of people who are open minded to what both the left or the right are arguing and trying their best to come to the most mutual agreement humanly possible.
people saying centrists don't exist or whatever other completely out of this world bullshit they say is the EXACT same thing as saying "leftists will ALWAYS be looking for something else to progress or change" or "rightists will ALWAYS be looking for another thing to turn into a tradition".
it pretends that there is no ideals or end goals to a centrist, so there must not be any goals or ideals to liberalism or conservatism either! hey guys, what is even politics again?!
if you can justify anything such as why random murder shouldn't be allowed, you are suddenly EXTREMELY right wing to a guy who loves killing people, and you're EXTREMELY left wing to a society where random killing was previously traditionally (conservatively) allowed.
this leaves the democratically favourable position of not wanting random murder to be allowed, somewhere in the center, just like every other democratic ideal i would strongly argue.
just look at something like free thought.
just about every reasonable person would say we should have the freedom to think whatever we want to in our heads. where are all these people? on the left? the right?
they're everywhere and nowhere. they ARE the center..
this idea of the "path of least resistance" perception of centrists pisses me the fuck off, because funnily enough i'm the most politically confronting and resistive person i've ever met in person and largely online, purely due to centrism believe it or not.
any leftist progression which is enforced into society is suddenly known as a conservative tradition, while old conservative traditions that change are known as liberal progressions.
this is why i call myself a "centrist". some of my ideals are in a progression from what currently is(liberal), while some are in enforcing a tradition (or more often, a law), from something that isn't yet. (conservative)
from my experience, so many self proclaimed right wing and left wing people are so polar among each other when discussing ideas which are not their typical liberal/conservative talking points, whereas centrists are usually the science based kind of people who are open minded to what both the left or the right are arguing and trying their best to come to the most mutual agreement humanly possible.
people saying centrists don't exist or whatever other completely out of this world bullshit they say is the EXACT same thing as saying "leftists will ALWAYS be looking for something else to progress or change" or "rightists will ALWAYS be looking for another thing to turn into a tradition".
it pretends that there is no ideals or end goals to a centrist, so there must not be any goals or ideals to liberalism or conservatism either! hey guys, what is even politics again?!
if you can justify anything such as why random murder shouldn't be allowed, you are suddenly EXTREMELY right wing to a guy who loves killing people, and you're EXTREMELY left wing to a society where random killing was previously traditionally (conservatively) allowed.
this leaves the democratically favourable position of not wanting random murder to be allowed, somewhere in the center, just like every other democratic ideal i would strongly argue.
just look at something like free thought.
just about every reasonable person would say we should have the freedom to think whatever we want to in our heads. where are all these people? on the left? the right?
they're everywhere and nowhere. they ARE the center..
this idea of the "path of least resistance" perception of centrists pisses me the fuck off, because funnily enough i'm the most politically confronting and resistive person i've ever met in person and largely online, purely due to centrism believe it or not.
the dogshit stupid takes i see in this community are just proving that nobody here has actually ever encountered a centrist
I’m excited you think of me enough to give me a nickname!
It’s so cute, I can picture our future together.
I haven’t encountered many unicorns either, just horses with ice cream cones on their head. Still looking though.
I haven't encountered Rhino's in person but have seen many online. I think that might be what you're looking for.
ah yes, and i haven't found any actually independent thinking liberals and conservatives. just people who are checking their favourite left/right wing political commentators twitter to regurgitate what they say.
Just a little casual genocide, nothing major, some dead LGBT folk here, some dead minorities there... normal stuff. Just wanna grill.
As long as they're our alliest, gotta let Fascists be Fascist once in a while to release some steam.
A few dead children and blown up hospitals is just collateral damage. There's nothing we could do about it^1^
^1^that wouldn't upset our Fascist allies.
They're not even good allies. They're busy shooting American citizens and selling US military technology to hostile powers. But I guess the end times needs Israel to begin so 50% of our politicians will mindlessly bootlick Israel and 40% of the rest are spineless cretins who think bipartisanship means 'compromise, always'.
I love the smell of minority&meek soap in the morning. Then I remember I'm a right wing catholic white man with privileges and I use them by shooting some jets of fire with my pocket flamethrower from the fully open window of my monster truck while on the way to the usual grill with the boys, as my god intended ;)
Edit: Obviously satire
Interesting how everyone seems to think this tweet from 2018 seems to refer to th situation in Gaza in 2023.
Is it though? Is the narrative from the center and the right not overwhelmingly in favor of the ethnic cleansing occurring in Gaza?
It's nonsense because the far left's position is cheering on Hamas, the complete destruction of the state of Israel, and chanting "from the river to the sea".
The centrist position is "ceasefire, just stay the fuck away from each other."
Your overton window is fucked if you think this is what actual centrists think.
the far left's position is cheering on Hamas, the complete destruction of the state of Israel, and chanting "from the river to the sea".
Your overton window is fucked if you think this is what actual leftists think.
Ha, you activated my trap card. I play not-so controversial opinion. Flavor text, "Biden is center right."
Are you 'murican? I don't think the rest of the world agrees on any of the US's "definitions" of left, right and liberal. From a European POV, the US democrats are really, really far to the right. Sanders might be leaning toward the center. The republicans are a strange mixture of libertarian regarding economical matters and very very right-wing/intrusive on personal matters. Whenever someone even mentions/comments other people's sexual orientation and identity I automitcally assume they are creep that wants to sniff other people's bedsheets. How can you be partly libertarian and also creepily nazi-intrusive? US-republican invention I can't wrap my head around, that is.
You people make up such fantasies in your head. This is far from the common trail of thought.
Bro/Sis this is what is happening in the debate about refugees in Germany right now so no, actually you are wrong
Well, back when Steinmeier was our foreign minister and toured poor countries to advertise Germany as the land of opportunity and wealth because corporations wanted slaves they don't have to pay properly, I was called a Nazi by many for saying that they won't find any opportunity or wealth in Germany. Our government never had the well-being of immigrants in mind, they just stuffed them into dilapidated "refugee camps", told them their education is insufficient and left them to rot. I am not surprised.
Any relevant links? I tried to google it, but it seems to me that the debate is about funding them - not about killing them.
I can't speak to Germany, but in the UK the government had to be forced to use the lifeguard to save drowning people because they wanted to let refugees die, and had to be forced to stop sending people to Rwanda (even if they're not from Rwanda) just to get rid of them.
Both stories are easily googlable.
That's not a genocide. There is a big difference between refusing to expend resources to save peoples life and actively expending resources to destroy lives.
I dont particularly care about defining what is and isn't a genocide, I care about not killing people.
And the Nobel Peace Prize you get for that will be mailed to you. Until it arrives, let's do discuss about definitions, nuances, and all these other annoying details that set a principled debate apart from blind virtue signalling.
I, for one, really care about the distinction between initiating something evil and merely not doing enough(tm) to stop it. The UK did not made them refugees. Sure, the old British empire caused trouble all around the globe, but modern refugees are mostly escaping from regional wars and totalitarian governments. One could say that it's still their fault because that's the aftermath of them leaving, but that would imply that the UK should have kept occupying these countries, so you probably don't want to go there.
So they did not cause them to be refugees. Both the refusal to save them from drowning and the deportation are an expression not of a deliberate attempt to kill them, but of a refusal to help them. The UK government does not want these refugees to be in the UK.
If we take this issue and place in the OP template, it'd look something like this:
Right: Let's not let refugees in.
Left: Let's let all the refugees in.
Center: Guys, you're gonna have to compromise, let's just let /some/ of the refugees in.
...
One should notice that:
Surprisingly, simply saying "EcHo ChAmBeR!!1!" without counter arguments has not fixed the problem.
I'm as shocked as you are.
Surprisingly, making it worse does even less good than pointing the causes out
I'm indeed shocked you tried so badly to make a "gotcha" towards obvious statements
there's no agreed definition of echo chamber though.
It is an echo chamber to say "murder is bad" "CSAM is bad" "rape is bad" - as 99.99% of people, when pushed, will agree those things are bad, echoing each other verbatim.
Indeed, the point that rightwing scum should be hounded up and left in a deserted island is brilliantly made by rightwingers themselves.
So you, a non-leftist, are against the cultural genocide and ethnic cleansing occurring in Gaza? That's refreshing!
i hate to break it to you, but there are a lot of leftists that are very comfortable with genocide.
Enlightening comment section. Very revealing discussions on our current political discourse.
"Data for Progress" poll even back on Oct. 21 showed a majority of Republicans wanted a ceasefire. Half of Republicans in this Reuters/Ipsos poll:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/15/poll-us-israel-support-hamas-war
It would be a mistake to characterize this as a left/right issue. That's a classic pattern for drawing up support for inhumane policies, telling "the right" that "the left" wants something and that therefore they should oppose it. This is a basic issue of lives vs. deaths, human rights vs. an oppressive fascist regime, don't allow it to be reframed in these other ways that distort it.
Right: Let's cut off our Dicks.
Left: Let's not cut off our Dicks.
Center: Guys, your going to have to compromise, let's just do some dick cutting.
Right: I guess I can live with that for now.
Left: No.
Center: See, this is why no one likes the left, you guys are the real extremists, smh
