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Israel says soldier executed, foreign hostages held at Gaza's Shifa hospital

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-says-55-metre-fortified-tunnel-found-under-gazas-shifa-hospital-2023-11-19/

Israel said Hamas killed 19-year-old army conscript Noa Marciano. The military also published video of what it described as a tunnel beneath the Shifa compound. Hamas has denied that tunnels are located in civilian infrastructure.

Israel says soldier executed, foreign hostages held at Gaza's Shifa hospital

JERUSALEM, Nov 19 (Reuters) - Israel stepped up accusations of Hamas abuses at the Gaza Strip's biggest hospital on Sunday, saying a captive soldier had been executed and two foreign hostages held at a site that has been a focus of its devastating six-week-old offensive.

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palal

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Is this according to the same Israel that called a water reservoir an "opening into the Hamas tunnels?"

The same one that released a faked video of a "nurse from al-Shifa?"

DolphinMath

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Reposting my response to you on the other thread for visibility.

To be fair, Al Jazeera is blatantly anti-Israel, so I wouldn’t trust their analysis without other corroborating sources. Regardless, the evidence the IDF presented for that particular video was far from conclusive, so it’s certainly possible that particular entrance wasn’t to the Hamas tunnel network.

I also don’t doubt that nurse video is fake, but the source of the video is far from definitive. Many parties in this conflict benefit from muddling the waters with fake videos.

Edit: For the sake of not reliving the whole argument when it got into attacks. Here’s the last real response I had.

“From what I’ve read, the Arabic Language Twitter account for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs reposted that video and deleted it after learning it was false. That is not necessarily the same as the IDF creating a fake video.”

palal

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Reposting my response to you on the other thread for visibility.

From the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs

How much more definitive do you want? Do you want Bibi dressed up in a nurse costume?

ShroOmeric

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So what's the average time before these things are disproven? Couple of days now?

autotldr

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This is the best summary I could come up with:

JERUSALEM, Nov 19 (Reuters) - Israel published video on Sunday of what it described as a tunnel dug by Palestinian militants under the Gaza Strip's biggest hospital, a focus of its search-and-destroy missions against Hamas in a war now in its seventh week.

While acknowledging that it has a network of hundreds of kilometres of secret tunnels, bunkers and access shafts throughout the Palestinian enclave, Hamas has denied that these are located in civilian infrastructure like hospitals.

In an update on operations in Gaza City's Al Shifa Hospital, the Israeli military said its engineers had uncovered a tunnel 10 metres deep and running 55 metres to a blast-proof door.

"This type of door is used by the Hamas terrorist organisation to block Israeli forces from entering the command centres and the underground assets belonging to Hamas," said a military statement accompanied by video showing a narrow passage with arched concrete roofing, ending at a grey door.

The statement did not say what was beyond the door.

The tunnel had been accessed through a shaft discovered in a shed within the Shifa compound that contained munitions, it said.

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DolphinMath

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Bad bot. This is not the article linked to in the post.

DolphinMath

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Link to the CCTV footage mentioned in the article.

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1726319791865016493

https://nitter.net/IDF/status/1726319791865016493

https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1726311040072474812

https://nitter.net/manniefabian/status/1726311040072474812

jonne

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So the claim is that the hospital is complicit for treating wounded people? Should Hamas have just left them to die instead?

DolphinMath

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Was that claim made?

I think what this footage shows is that hospital staff were not truthful in their statements about having no knowledge of Hamas being in the hospital.

However, I think it’s very understandable that they would lie to the world about this. The hospital staff live day to day under the control of Hamas. Anyone who speaks up against Hamas risks their life by doing so. If the medical workers want to continue to save lives, they cannot speak out against Hamas.

palal

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I mean, if lemmy.world is keen on spreading unverifiable propaganda (potentially true, potentially false):

Noa Marciano was killed in an Israeli airstrike. Her wounds are consistent with airstrike collateral, not an execution.

DolphinMath

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I’ve not seen a reputable source verifying that claim. Care to share where you got your information?

Edit: Are you also claiming the CCTV footage is fake? Just trying to wrap my head around what you are saying.

palal

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Israel is on record for faking a video of a "nurse from al-Shifa condemning Hamas." Video evidence from Israel isn't worth the data stream it's made out of.

DolphinMath

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I mean, I don’t doubt that video is fake, but the source of the video is far from definitive. Many parties in this conflict benefit from muddling the waters with fake videos.

palal

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From the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs

How much more definitive do you want? Do you want Bibi dressed up in a nurse costume?

DolphinMath

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From what I’ve read, the Arabic Language Twitter account for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs reposted that video and deleted it after learning it was false. That is not necessarily the same as the IDF creating a fake video.