earth is a planet. it might play a role, too.
oh, planets, plural. well, jupiter's massive gravity helped clear and shape the solar system, and the planets (except mercury) align to its orbital plane, not the sun's 'equator'.
Also there are tons of people who do give in to astrology that do effect your life by their reacting in different ways to how others read those signs.
But since they all listen to different astrologists and those provide uncoordinated predictions that influence is somewhat mitigated because it affects you in all directions at once
I once saw the headline
Dog Breeds You Should NOT Get Based on Your Astrological Sign
I did not click but as an optimist, I imagined the content would be nothing but
| Sign | Problematic dog breed |
|---|---|
| ♈ Aries | Chihuahua |
| ♉ Taurus | Chihuahua |
| ♊ Gemini | Chihuahua |
| ♋ Cancer | Chihuahua |
| ♌ Leo | Chihuahua |
| ♍ Virgo | Chihuahua |
| ♎ Libra | Chihuahua |
| ♏ Scorpio | Chihuahua |
| ♐ Sagittarius | Chihuahua |
| ♑ Capricorn | Chihuahua |
| ♒ Aquarius | Chihuahua |
| ♓ Pisces | Chihuahua |
same, specially since i'm using a css style on lemmy and for whatever reason the table is not styled
found it here, mine is catppuccin macchiato variant. i used the stylus extension to apply the theme.
Let's just say for a moment that the placement of the planet earth at the moment of your birth actually mattered. Hell, if conscience was pulled from dark matter or dark energy at the moment of our birthday as Earth past through a certain area are the universe, that would be a cool idea.
But the problem with astrology is this assumption that our solar system is stationary and that every year, the earth nears the exact same location as your birth.
But this is entirely wrong because the sun is orbiting the super massive black hole at the center of the galaxy. So even if you believed the astrology stuff, you would have to make a calendar for 230 million years.
But wait the universe is expanding and our galaxy is moving! Even after a galactic year you would still not be located at the location of your birth. Woops astrology is dumb.
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The zodiac constallations don't even line up with their original dates anymore, for exactly the kind of reasons you described: the universe and our position in it are not stationary.
This website has a chart for the updated dates (note also that they had to add another zodiac sign because of parallax or something)
One thing that could have an effect is the time of year you are born because it seasonal changes. A spring baby will be exposed to more sunlight than a fall baby in the first 6 months of life outside the womb, and the opposite for the second 6 months.
What that actually affects other than maybe the strength of their immune system early on, I can only speculate about. But it would be a mechanism through which birth sign can be correlated to personality or health.
And if there is such a correlation, it would make sense that the signs and dates falling out of sync as the constellations process wouldn't have any effect on anything because the stars and planets don't matter as much as the seasons do.
Though it does make me wonder if there have been studies analyzing personality difference statistics based on birthdate. Though I think it would have to be based on full birthdate (year included) due to year to year weather variations, as well as location dependent due to geographical weather variations. Like if there is such a correlation, it's probably stronger in Canada than California.
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It can also decide if you're always the oldest or youngest person in your class, which might be a big deal
wait wouldn't this mean you could predict people's personalities similar to how we can predict the weather but not change it
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Even if there was influence, we're still shaped by the environment in which we grow, especially personality, so no you couldn't predict only from the starting point. Maybe if one day we are able to perfectly simulate a brain and record the entirety of a life, then we may be able to predict a personality. But that's not happening anytime soon.
Libra: A big promotion is just around The corner for someone much more talented than you
-Weird Al
Now you may find it inconceivable or at the very least a bit unlikely that the relative position of the planets and the stars could have a special deep significance or meaning that exclusively applies to only you but let me reassure that these forecasts and predictions are all based on solid scientific documented evidence and you would have to be some kind of moron not to realize that every single one of them is absolutely true where was I?
Not to be that guy... But stars and planets definitely have the potential to affect all of our lives, just not in any positive w-- the sun goes supernova
Our sun will never go supernova because it's too small for that. As hydrogen runs out, it will grow to a red giant by burning off the helium it produced and will expand to about Mars' orbit. When the helium runs out too, it will then collapse to a white dwarf and release dust clouds into what formerly was our solar system and then it just huffs out like a candle in the wind.
To go supernova, our sun would need about 10 times its mass.
Most stars (comparatively), I'm pretty sure there's one pretty close to us that lights up the only half the world at a time, that one might be more relevant.
True. It should say "the positions of planets and stars at the time of your birth won't effect your future in any meaningful way" but that's a little long.
My favorite thing is that astrologers are working with a 'zodiac' of stars which is so old, the stars have changed position in the sky and their zodiacal charts aren't even accurate if you just up.
Also IIRC there should be thirteen astrological signs but that number was unpopular so the charts were fudged to make them fit twelve. So they aren't accurate for any age.
?Ophiuchus is one of the thirteen constellations that cross the ecliptic.[65] It has sometimes been suggested as the "13th sign of the zodiac". However, this confuses zodiac or astrological signs with constellations.[66] The signs of the zodiac are a twelve-fold division of the ecliptic, so that each sign spans 30° of celestial longitude, approximately the distance the Sun travels in a month, and (in the Western tradition) are aligned with the seasons so that the March equinox always falls on the boundary between Pisces and Aries.[67][68] Constellations, on the other hand, are unequal in size and are based on the positions of the stars. The constellations of the zodiac have only a loose association with the signs of the zodiac, and do not in general coincide with them.[69] In Western astrology the constellation of Aquarius, for example, largely corresponds to the sign of Pisces. Similarly, the constellation of Ophiuchus occupies most (29 November – 18 December[70]) of the sign of Sagittarius (23 November – 21 December). The differences are due to the fact that the time of year that the Sun passes through a particular zodiac constellation's position has slowly changed (because of the precession of the Earth's rotational axis) over the centuries from when the Babylonians originally developed the Zodiac.[71][72]
I mean… there is sidereal astrology, which does account for the precession of the equinoxes. And tropical astrology has explanations and justifications to be how it is. It’s not just “oh dumb astrologers don’t even know the stars changed!”. Like, their whole thing is looking at stars and stuff. They sure know it.
If you are actually interested or curious, here is a thread with explanations (it’s unfortunately on Reddit): https://www.reddit.com/r/astrology/comments/wr1iok/tropical_astrology_explanation/?sort=top
Like, their whole thing is looking at stars and stuff. They sure know it.
They just don't care 🌚
Also, with how popular astrology now, I'd wager that more than half astrologists don't know it and only care about some cargo cult attributes
Like, their whole thing is looking at stars and stuff. They sure know it.
They look at stars the same way flat earthers look at the world around them.
That link doesn't explain it at all, it's like watching fundamental religious people argue about how the Bible actually makes sense and applies to today.
The link does explain it, and if you listened to fundamental Christians describe their beliefs, you’d understand them better. You don’t have to agree, but if you never have an open mind even to things you disagree with you will never understand them.
That's not true! They can soothe your mind while watching them, they could light your path on a very very dark night in the wilderness, they help you navigate, they're a nice hobby for some people, even a profession for some. Boom! QED mate!
I've read before that astrology can actually be a good indicator of personality IF the person actually believes in astrology in the first place. It becomes a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy where the person models their personality after whatever they've been told they're supposed to be like. Astrology seems to just use alot of universal personality traits that probably anybody could manifest at some point in their life. So then a person who believes in it probably internalizes a few specific traits as "their" personality and after awhile just turn to that trait automatically.
No idea how true it actually is, but it seemed to make some amount of sense. It could potentially be useful if you're dealing with a person who believes in astrology, but it's such a random thing that it'd be just as useful to study Myers-Briggs personality types.
Not true, I will travel to view a solar eclipse, therefore at least one star is affecting my life.
Exactly. Also, there are 3 moons. Most people think there's only moon because only 1 at a time is visible.
Only Gene Ray was wise enough to grasp it. He has left us some time ago so all hope of understanding the nature of cubed time is lost.
Time Cube was a website that got quite a lot of traffic back in the late 90s, early 2000s. Hers is a brief summary
For a deep dive, there's a great Down the Rabbit Hole video on youtube