https://www.salon.com/2023/11/12/jan-6-qanon-shaman-is-running-for-congress/
Jacob Chansley, sentenced to three years for his role in the Capitol riots, will run as a libertarian in Arizona
Jacob Chansley, sentenced to three years for his role in the Capitol riots, will run as a libertarian in Arizona.
It only applies if he took an oath to uphold the constitution prior to committing the treason.
I.E. government officials and ex military personnel who took place in the Jan 6 riots would be disqualified, but not every random yahoo that was there.
EDIT: Others have pointed out that he is ex-military, so it looks like the 14th amendment does apply to him after all.
Isn't that the whole 'Pledge Of Allegiance' we were made to repeat every single week day of our lives from 5 to 18?
Hello again! Once more, you're blatantly incorrect!
You're clearly not a lawyer. The only people I have EVER met who are as prodigious at misinforming others about the law are currently incarcerated people, who are commonly referred to as "jailhouse lawyers." Please, stop spreading misinformation here; I'm actually begging you.
You do a disservice to EVERYONE that you hope will vote against these people. You allow them to think some obscure, rarely -prosecuted thing written somewhere will magically just solve all the problems. They won't. This is an ENORMOUS stress test of American democracy, and "hoping words on paper" cures everything is farcical. These systems we have in place are slow, the Supreme Court is stacked in ideological opposition to your hopes and dreams, and placing faith in these miracle words is just fucking naive.
People, please, I beg you all to campaign for people who uphold your principles and defend the constitution, then go VOTE for them. Additionally, I implore you to actually follow these court cases and read up on the law. Or at least, listen to actual constitutional lawyers talk about these topics. Then, completely fucking disregard everything YoBuckStopsHere says because they're flat out wrong every fucking time.
Libertarians are even worse, they are like anarchist Republicans. Slamming two dumb political ideas into one really dumb political idea and acting like they are very smart about it.
Republicans have to deal with being constantly proven wrong on everything, but Libertarians enjoy that their fantasy ideology will never be tested in the real world. That makes them feel immune to obvious criticisms, and therefore “very smart.”
They did test it and it failed completely. A book was written about it. A libertarian walks into a bear. So you can point and laugh at libertarians any time you want
He's vegan or something. Remember how butthurt he was in prison because the food wasn't up to his standards?
White people, man...
I hope that, once a year, at the most inopportune possible time of that year, he shits himself loudly and thoroughly. For all the years of his life.
Vigorous boiling or stirring may cause dicks to break up while cooking and nobody wants that
Is this like, an ordeal you think he should go through, or are you saying that you know for a fact, that this man can slurp down a whole caludron of al-dente dicks?
Gee, let me think about it. According to this article he may be uniquely suited to run as a Republican.
In an interview, defense lawyer Albert Watkins said that officials at the federal Bureau of Prisons, or BOP, have diagnosed his client Jacob Chansley with transient schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression and anxiety.
If you throw in a low IQ, he'll do well with Republican voters.
In 2016, the libertarian convention had a guy strip to his underwear on stage. At the convention debate, one of the candidates was boo'd for saying you shouldn't be able to sell heroin to five year olds.
The QAnon Shaman isn't the craziest thing in the Libertarian Party. They are not serious people.
will run as a libertarian in Arizona.
Well at least we won't have to worry about him winning.
If you’re part of an insurrection, you shouldn’t be able to run for any public office anywhere.
If Germany would have had this same rule/law the whole world in this timeline would look completely different.
Hey look, you could theoretically identify as an anarchist, and have constructive ideas about how a government system could be improved
It will probably ultimately depend on whether or not the Supreme Court decides to uphold the 14th amendment of the Constitution. The lower courts are slowly working their way towards bringing that question to the Supreme Court as it relates to Trump.
It has more to do with being released from federal prison. But yeah, he in the navy; which means he took an oath.
Unfortunately, the 14th Amendment only applies to those who have "previously taken oath,, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States".
Which means it does apply to *rump and the members of Congress who participated in the plot, may they soon be brought to justice.
Can you point out exactly what makes him ineligible? Even if everyone agreed that it was an insurrection, point out where it would bar him.
Can’t work from home when that home is a federal prison.
He was sentenced for 3 years. (Which is a joke, but that’s besides the point.)
And he’s ex military which means the 14th applies
You bring up an interesting point, and I'll admit I am not a constitutional lawyer. But section 3 of the 14th amendment says that hey couldn't have sworn to uphold the Constitution prior to attempting insurrection. Thats how they are framing it for Trump too because he swore to uphold the Constitution when he came into office. I don't know if Chansley had done the same or if that would make a difference.
He was in the military. I definitely remember swearing an oath to uphold the constitution when I enlisted. Section 3 should bar him no problem.
Oh, I didn't know that about him. I'll be honest I have not followed his story very closely.
No. He's ex-military, 14th amendment applies.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same...
He took an oath as a member of the military, he also took part in insurrection.
The crimes charged in the indictment involve active participation in an insurrection attempting to violently overthrow the United States Government. By Chansley’s own admissions to the FBI and news media, the insurrection is still in progress and he intends to continue participating.
You and I might agree that it applies, but how much do you want to bet that some Trump appointed judges decide that it doesn't apply and kill any effort to remove him from the ballot?
Ya’ll keep saying these things like I don’t already know, but regardless of what the 14th amendment says, or his military background, ultimately that determination will be made by a court decision, because if nothing else he will sue the state if they choose to take him off the ballot. I didn’t make the rules, or the legal system.
While obviously Chansley deserves to face punishment for his crimes, let's not pretend that it wasn't an obscenity that Eugene Debs had to run for office from prison for suggesting that the US had no business throwing lives away in the trenches of World War I
As much as I want to say no, to my knowledge he technically hadn't "previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States" so I think he'd be eligible under Amendment 14, Section 3, article 1... quoted here in full:
Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3:
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Though, he had previously been in the US Navy, and the Navy oath of enlistment begins ""I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic....," he was not even an officer in the Navy let alone in a legislative, executive or judicial branch position.
Pretty sure he would be eligible to run this time, whereas trump would not.
This guy is t elligible…. Trump might be able to weasel it, but this guy was an insurrectionist through and through.
As much as I want to agree with you, to my knowledge he technically hadn't "previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States" so I think he'd be eligible under Amendment 14, Section 3, article 1... quoted here in full:
Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3:
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Though, he had previously been in the US Navy, and the Navy oath of enlistment begins ""I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic....," he was not even an officer in the Navy let alone in a legislative, executive or judicial branch position.
Pretty sure he would be eligible to run this time, whereas trump would not.
For all his flaws, Camacho at least tried to enlist the help of, and listen to, people he knew were smarter than him. And at the end of the day, he tried to help his people.
This guy just wants to play dress up and smear shit on the walls.
He'd best have a good security detail. If anything goes awry, a bunch of Leftists are going to be peacefully asking him pointed questions that might make him uncomfortable.
If you're assuaged to believe that winning means everything, I can't speak for you. It assumes that you start and stay on the same side of any moral argument and you have to fight for it to the end regardless of if new evidence nullifies your opinion.
That's not how humans understand each-other. Humans garner nuance and discern things in new and meaningful ways over time and social interaction. We understand others - people that we can identify with in profound ways even if they don't necessarily share our point of view.
I would give him a moment of our time - maybe 30 seconds if he doesn't state one of the over-used vitriolic statements on the Bingo cards that I will be handing out now.
No argument here. But if he’s out and running, no one should forget what a weirdass goofball he is.
If only he'd wear it during hunting season, maybe with some female elk piss on it?
Republicans stopped using "cuck" as an insult because the person who epitomizes what they're all about wore horns.
As an Arizona voter I'm not voting for him but there are worse people running in politics. This guy is Qanon crazy but not morally bankrupt like some others. Watch the Channel 5 with Andrew Callihan video. I guarantee the image you have in your head is different than who this guy is in reality.