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Bodies of Israeli dad, wheelchair-bound 16-year-old daughter found 12 days after Hamas’ music fest massacre

https://nypost.com/2023/10/18/bodies-of-erick-ruth-peretz-found-after-hamas-festival-massacre/

Erick Peretz and his 16-year-old daughter Ruth – who was wheelchair-bound with cerebral palsy and muscular dystrophy — were found Wednesday at the site of the Supernova Sukkot Gathering.

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Travalanche

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This death is a tragedy. At the same time, I just don't care at this point, which is another tragedy. Israel has taken their revenge plot too far. They have turned the awful deaths of their people into the sad smoke of justification for a genocide that some of their citizens have been hoping and planning for. This is not the middle ages anymore. We know better. You know better. The fact that my government actively supports this breaks my heart all the more.

remer

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It’s not a revenge plot. It’s a land grab. The Israelis had this planned out way ahead of time and they were just waiting for an excuse that wouldn’t draw international condemnation. It’s similar to the US moves in Iraq after 9/11. Cheney and his club had that all planned out ahead of time. https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

saze

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A world class intelligence agency, which would normally know the contents and length of your bowel movement, totally shits the bed and lets an egregious attack play out, while their media assets chalk it up to a "failure of imagination" .

Where have I seen this one before?

tsonfeir

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If the title started “bodies of Palestinian dad…” this post would be flooded

Ace0fBlades

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Suffering is not a competition. These are people being ground to dust by the cruelty of those in power around them making decisions that cause these events occur.

Rapidcreek

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Only an asshole would kidnap a disabled girl and kill her because of a political belief. Of course, Hamas did much worse. There is no excuse for that, my friend.

chaogomu

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Yes, Hamas is evil. Israel responded to that evil by killing thousands, and are gearing up to kill tens of thousands more. Included in that count are thousands of children.

And because suffering is not a competition, we know that both of these things are fucking evil. Israel's mass slaughter is just as evil as Hamas' initial attack. The only difference is, Israel has far more munitions and is planning far more murder than Hamas could ever dream of.

Rapidcreek

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Hamas is evil but let's criticize Israel. Hamas uses human shields and encamps in schools and hospitals, but you dislike the tactics needed to defeat that. SMH

chaogomu

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Do you listen to yourself? Hamas uses human shields, so you want to murder all the hostages? Just pre-emptively murder them all. That way Hamas can't use them, right?

No thought beyond mass murder, which is what Hamas wants, because the more wanton murder that the Israelis engage in, the more recruits Hamas gets.

And then there's the fact that Hamas has been propped up by Israel, funded by Israel.

https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Netanyahu-Money-to-Hamas-part-of-strategy-to-keep-Palestinians-divided-583082

Rapidcreek

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Just stating a fact. Hamas does use human shields. How would you fight them?

chaogomu

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See, that's the problem, you want to fight. Israel wants the fight, because the n they can justify more ethnic cleansing.

To deal with Hamas, you have to deal with the root causes of Hamas.

You have to defuse the justified anger of the Palestinian people, stop the settlers, put many of them in jail for the crimes they've committed, put many Israeli leaders in jail for the crimes they too have committed, and then put the leaders of Hamas in jail.

That's the starting point.

Give all the Palestinians citizenship, and the protections that come with it.

Side note, did you know that the vast majority of Palestinians don't have citizenship of any country, despite being born in the area? The area their grandparents were born in? Their great-great-to-the-uncounted generation grandparents?

Yeah, give all Palestinians full citizenship. That right there would diffuse a lot of the anger. And then you can work on dismantling Hamas as a police matter, and not as a military target.

Madison420

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With a multi billion dollar military that trains ground troops for that exact situation, you know like a functioning military rather than stormtroopers.

Madison420

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Ok to flip that hamas may use human shields and Israel doesn't see these human shields even children as worthy enough to not turn them into a puddle slowly filtered through rubble.

But yes let's compare murder to hostage taking, I'm pretty sure one has a worse punishment legally speaking.

CommanderM2192

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TheEighthDoctor

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Okay then. What should Israel do? Nothing?

Yes /thread

Madison420

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Same shitty argument.

Nothing?

Who the fuck side from you just now suggested that much? No one? Exactly.

Do you think nothing while they get bombarded with rockets by a genocidal adversary is acceptable?

Who are we talking about? Israel that's been bombing buildings in occupied Palestine for years or the sporadic attacks from a resistance group that pale in comparison? Both are shitty but magnitude matters.

If your answer is anything along the lines of "two state solution", well you're about thirty years too late there.

I didn't say that either, perhaps stop projecting?

They tried and it was turned down by the Palestinians.

Yes because it is and was occupied, I wouldn't accept any offer from a nation with it's boot on my neck and it's hand in my pocket, nor would any other nation for that matter.

So, what should Israel do?

Act like a modern goddamn military, accept losses it's a fucking war which also means 10,000 dead civilians is a fucking war crime. You seen to imply that Israel hasn't trained to fight Hamas for the better part of three decades and trained to fight general military insurgencies since 1948 when they were the goddamn insurgency.

Rapidcreek

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If that were true, Israel wouldn't tell them to move. But, there's no use trying logic with you is there.

All you can do? When you come up with a military strategy to get rid of Hamas let me know

Madison420

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That's the dumbest argument you've made yet. Sure, they tell a wholely Captive population to move and in doing so they tell hamas where to follow. It's lip service so dolts like you can pretend they aren't actively committing genocide.

Bro again dumb argument, you say it's the only option when obviously that's statistically improbable. I'm not a military leader but you can guarangoddamntee the end all beat all option isn't to fucking kill the hostage and hostage taker.

tsonfeir

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I know that, but few other people seem to know that

Illuminostro

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By bots.