This concept for budget double decker airline seating
... I could fly with my dog then? (I've not traveled with her, because being alone in the cargo sounds like a torment I would not wish on anyone). But if I can be there, too, that's a whole other scenario
Not to mention safety requirements for rapidly escaping a plane in the event of an emergency
Though tbf, with planes how often do emergencies fall between the "it's dangerous to stay here" and "you can get off the plane safely if you're quick" thresholds? I'd think that due to their nature, most situations will either be "no rush" or "not much we can do about it now". Things like emergency exits seem more like safety theatre than anything else IMO.
Actually fires and rapid departure are a big deal.
Overall here’s a great video going over how important this whole process is.
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They only put them down the center with regular seats along the windows.
First class, second class, cargo class.
These will not see the light of day until the industry coughs up enough money to buy off enough legislation oversight to make the FAA egress rules "agreeable".
Dvt would likely be less of an issue with your legs out vs bent at the knee. Less gravity for your heart to fight against.
DVT is an issue if you're immobile for any decent length of time. Your position doesn't really matter too much. That's why they want you up and walking immediately as soon as possible after a surgery and why they will often put patients with an extended stay in the hospital on blood thinners.
True, though it would be horrifically uncomfortable to be forced to sit like that for 4 hours without the ability to shift positions.
It's funny because you don't know which country he's from but it still applies anyway because everyone is getting fatter
Even for the people who would get off on that, their joy would turn to frustration when the flight attendant asked them to stop masturbating.
Pretty soon they're just going to roofie people and pack them into planes like sardines.
They could just tip the nose of the plane 90 degrees in the air and then have a slide or funnel that dumps you into the fuselage. You'll just want to be sure to buy first-class tickets so that you'll be at the top of the pile.
If you stack people alternating head-first, feet-first, head-first, they will tesselate much better. Airlines eventually won't be able to resist the profit margin.
I don't absolutely hate it, but I'm 6'3", so fully stretching my legs out on a plane is always just a pipe dream.
I'm sure they'd make them fit only average size people, unfortunately.
Do you see how that lady’s feet are? They’re probably up against a wall, and I don’t think she’s 6’3”
I think they should just have rows of bunk beds. It's much easier to stack something flat than people with their awkward bends at the hips and knees.
unsurprisingly the ship and train industry figured this shit out like literally a century ago
The airlines can maximize that idea as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks\_(1781\_ship)#/media/File:Slaveshipposter.jpg
God, I would love that. I can't sleep sitting up, even when I'm really tired. Long plane rides are torture.
Window seat dude needs to take a piss, watch the fun ...
Also, why the fuck is she smiling?!
I think these only go down the center based on the photo.
She's smiling because she's being paid to smile.
One day they'll invent super-economy class where you just get strapped to the wings and released over your destination. Parachutes will cost extra.
Eh. Fewer passengers per plane is worse for the environment, and lying down is great for people with back problems. I can see the pluses.
Where are the overhead baggage bins? No carry-on bags? If they go in the hold, how do you make it bigger?
This design is similar but not the same as OG post. Although still shitty, its quite an improvement over the orgional.
The newer version from the link looks less bad than this picture, but still dystopian as fuck. We need to make airline travel cheaper somehow rather than having the airline industry come up with their own ideas to try and pack people in like cattle.
Cheaper? What kinda crack are you smoking? Shit is destroying the planet, it needs to be a LOT more expensive.
what kind of crack are YOU smoking? So practically "banning" poor people for traveling anywhere further than 500km than their hometown is the solution? And allow rich people go on as usual?
The not-wealthy will be the only ones affected by this. Business people were traveling since the birth of the aviation and will continue travelling. This will be just an increased cost in their cost planning.
So if you're rich you're allowed to destroy the planet. If you're poor stay at home, the planet is in danger.
Uh, you know, it is possible to care about two things at once. Wanting airline travel to be cheaper/more comfortable and also less environmentally unfriendly are not mutually exclusive positions.
As others have pointed out, making it more expensive isn't going to get rid of air travel, it'll just be reserved for the ultra-wealthy who will not give a damn either way.
I agree, but it's mostly the Uber wealthy, not regular travelers. It's bad, but it's not that bad. Using a whole plane to carry one or two people is horrible though.
You get points for being an environmentalist but lose points for accusing any differing opinion of being the result of drug use. That cliche is often used on autistic people to attack them for thinking differently. You should try making your point without cliches.
Yeah, that's usually how people use cliches. They hear something and think it sounds quippy in a rhetorical sense, even if it's not what they mean. It's a lazy way of participating in a conversation without actually putting forward any ideas of your own. It's the death of sincerity.
accusing any differing opinion of being the result of drug use
That cliche is often used on autistic people
Combo x2
+125 virtue signal points
I'm autistic and I've literally been harassed by people who used that cliche. If I were virtue signalling I'd obviously say something people want to hear. Do you think that I thought that saying this would gain me praise?
You think that admitting to having a autism or being honest about ableist experiences is something to look down on. You're hateful towards autistic people.
This extra passenger density would make it cheaper per person, right? More fuel efficient, too.
Looking over my original post, perhaps my phrasing wasn't clear. Yes, this is one way to decrease costs, but it comes at the expense of comfort. Airline companies are no stranger to this process, and have been rolling out new methods of packing as many passengers onto a plane as physically possible since the very first commercial airplanes took flight.
Awkward and regressive ideas like this, where the airlines are contemplating stacking people in uncomfortable looking double-decker seating to save precious inches of space are only coming out now because no significant strides have been made in making air travel less expensive to operate as a whole. It is always going to be easier to shave off a few inches of legroom and pack in another row of seating in the next generation of jet airliner than it is to invent a new type of jet fuel that is cheaper and burns cleaner without sacrificing performance, or developing a new more efficient fuselage that can fly just as far as a conventional plane while carrying less fuel, etc.
It would be nice to see air travel improve for a change, rather than continue to get worse and worse over time out of necessity.
Not sure if you're just joking, but plenty of people survive plane crashes. Most crashes aren't just a plane falling out of the sky at full speed. Survival rates are around 95%.
Generally speaking, plane crashes are like train crashes. Either most everyone survives, or most everyone dies pretty quickly, with very little in between.
Imagine this plane with a fire on board before takeoff and now the unfit overweight masses have to evacuate.
at that point just give me general anaesthesia and put me in an airline shipping coffin so at least i don't have to be conscious for the horror show
12 hour flight. The fail-safes fail. Something goes wrong with the anesthesia and you're awake for the entire thing
I fly often for work, stay up the whole night before and cannabis. Flying is easy now.
As someone who doesn't have claustrophobia, I feel claustrophobic just looking at this. Then again, I've never been on a plane before, and for all I know this might be better :/
I had very bad claustrophobia the time I got rolled in a carpet with only my head sticking out or the time I got closed in a trunk. Flew around 12 times on airplanes and they are mostly just uncomfortable and annoying. Maybe I grew out of it 🤷
Getting locked in a trunk and rolled up into a carpet with your head sticking out just sounds like someone Wile e coyote would count as normal life experiences. Bonus points if you hopped away off screen after getting rolled in the carpet.
I got rolled into our floor rug as a kid, we were messing around and I thought it would be funny. It was not and a panic attack was had.
I think theres just so much shit going on in an airplane that the brain short circuits and doesnt think about the fact that you are in a disturbingly thin walled, air sealed aluminium can hurtling through the sky at 800+kph with a hundred other people, most of whom dont have the common sense the gods gave a common rock, and are riddled with disease that you are no doubt being exposed to due to being crammed in like sardines.
I agree it sucks but most of the time I am just hoping that the plane doesn't crash, and I am a pretty anxious person, other than that my headphones are in and I'm either listening to music or watching a something and looking out the window :p
The leg room is better but scooting into the window seat will be slightly harder. Hard telling if you can put your feet down in this set up though.
The leg room is different, but it isn't better. There's about the same amount of usable space. I'd prefer the classic chair setup I think.
Just looks way too low clearance. Can't put up your knees, can't put one leg over the other, can't lay on the side. Who can keep their legs straight like this for 10h. If it had like double the clearance I'd love this.
Alternatively, have it totally flat under some chairs maybe? Have the option for a bed or a chair basically.
don't think of the farts don't think of the farts don't think of the farts don't think of the farts don't think of the farts
she has a secret fetish for strangers powering farts directly into her face while being confined so tightly as to feel buried alive.
Honestly I wish that was the case in the US.
For most people, trains are not a alternative.
Often trains cost more. Many train stations are messes and share space with busses.
I desperately want to take a train anywhere. BUT
A) It always costs at least as much as a plane but often much much more
B) it's slower than driving!
C) the stops are so limited you basically have to follow major coastal cities or you're SOL
Literally if any of these three things were changed I would take weekend trips all the time
The one time I took a train for a mid range distance, it cost like $250. That being said, I didn't have to drive through NYC traffic, deal with tolls, or deal with parking and had a lot of room to myself.
But it was also slow and $250 from Philly to NYC? Buhhhhh probably wouldn't again lol
No, wait. This is actually not a bad idea.
Look closely. First of all there's a rigid barrier between the lower and upper seat. That means that fart gasses won't get through, unlike current seats where farts just spread everywhere around a person, so only the upper seats will be affected.
Second, the lady has her feet up, meaning she has enough leg room to do so. This is a big advantage because you can kick your feet up on your underseat baggage while you sleep or stretch your legs. It's much better than the current layout where you can barely move at all.
No offense, but I think anyone with a negative opinion of this layout is wrong.
The lady isn't choosing to "have her feet up," she is essentially sitting on the floor and forced into the L shape by the rigid structure around her. There's still incredibly little range of motion just like a regular seat, except now with the added danger of a much more difficult emergency evacuation, especially for people with limited mobility.
And for people with blood clots! Locking your knees prevents blood flow and can get those clots forming faster.
Since locking your knees while standing makes you pass out, I wonder if locking your knees while seated also makes you pass out.
Also, I'm imagining that there isn't a wall right in front of her face, as this angle suggests. But rather, there is a bit of a cavity tucked up under the top seat. Oh, yeah... found an image. It does still look a little claustrophobic in there.
Yea that dude looks thin and average height and uncomfortable. I'm 230 6ft with some muscle. I'm gonna feel like a sardine.
Hitting that board in a crash is probably going to be worse than hitting the back of a single chair.
My biggest problem with the space is that if I had to sit with my legs out like that, I'd eventually cramp up and inevitably bang my knees on the chair above.
I suspect the angle might make the space look smaller too, it's possible that the wall actually extends a bit out without being solid inside
How so? You just push the seat back and get out, it'll be about as much of an issue as a normal (very cramped) seat.
She's also fully reclined her seat. So maybe if her seat was upright it would be easier for people to get in and out.
This is marketing meaning if this ever actually came to market (and it won't) they would immediately begin adjusting it to reclaim even more room causing cramping with each new redesign. People are very easily conditioned so years after this became a thing and multiple redesigns later people would only just be beginning to realize it has already happened and even then nothing would change because the general public won't do anything while a select few will complain and make no impact.
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