I think that using the tag [G*] or [L*] specifically for solo andromorphs/gynomorphs might cause some confusion for new people, simply because the letter doesn't match.
However, [M*] and [F*] to me feel like an excellent tag for solo images, its simple and feels more inclusive to trans folks, while keeping to the current tag system. [I] and [A] are definitely self explanatory enough to keep as they are.
Yes! I agree. Please see this post where I might have found a reasonable solution. Let me know what you think: https://yiffit.net/comment/2829711
Hmmm... I personally do not care for [G*] for Andromorph and [L*] for Gynomorph.
Wouldn't it be just as easy to do [AM] for andromorphs and [GM] for gynomorphs if we have to use two characters to represent them? I mean [AM] and [GM] combined together atleast give us a very good hint at what is meant. Personally I think it would be easier than [G*] or [L*].
For trans characters, it might be easier to tag with the asterisk added. [M*] and [F*] seem to work, because [TM], while it might work for Trans-Male, [TF] could easily be confused for Transformation rather than Trans-Female.
Hello, sorry for taking some time in getting back to you. Yes, I should make an announcement in the following days after reviewing the final system.
Thank you for reminding me!
Hello! I'm the one who made the original thread, thanks for thinking about this. I'm also a cis male, and don't know much about trans and intersex people, so consider anything I say with a grain of salt.
My original proposal was basically lifted from e621's tagging rules, just as a way to start conversation: https://e621.net/wiki_pages/3294 I'd personally be fine with "I" for characters that have a "non-traditional" arrangement of genitals (including none), and it probably is easier to explain than andro/gynomorph.
I'm not too sure about the terminology myself, but my understanding is that (at least as far as e621 are concerned) andro and gynomorph refer explicitly to physical characteristics rather than gender identity. Specifically, gynomorph refers to a feminine body with a penis, and andromorph refers to a masculine body with a vagina. I think the actual gender of the characters aren't involved in the definitions.
Of course, I've been known to be wrong before, and this is an area I don't feel anywhere near qualified to speak with authority. I'd be interested to hear the thoughts of people more involved in this sort of thing.
[F*]
for a character that looks male (or intersex) but identifies as female would be fine by me. Although that has opened up a question as to whether we use "tag what we see" or whether a character's identity is important.
And thanks for not entertaining the terms "dickgirl", "futa" and "cuntboy" because... Blegh.
I think it would be difficult to tag based on context since often we can't know a character's personality, story, beliefs, identity, etc... just what we can see. At least most of the time.
In this case, the terms 'andromorph' and 'gynomorph' literally translates to 'male form' and 'female form', and I believe that it is referring to the physical sex instead of gender, especially since 'form' in this case is alludes to the physical representation of the character.
What I'm trying to say is that the terms 'andro' and 'gyno' refer in this case to the physical sex and are translated as 'male' and 'female'. In this sense it would make sense to use [M*] and [F*] since the original [M] and [F] tags are also related to physical sex instead of gender, since the gender of a character can't be determined by just the character's physical traits. A character with breasts and a vagina might very well be the fursona of a trans male furry and he feels it better represents him because it's closer to his physical appearance.
Wait a second....
Please stand by....
googling
Okay, I think I got it.
Here's the definition for the term 'prime' used in mathematics:
"In mathematics, the prime is generally used to generate more variable names for similar things without resorting to subscripts, with x′ generally meaning something related to (or derived from) x. For example, if a point is represented by the Cartesian coordinates (x, y), then that point rotated, translated or reflected might be represented as (x′, y′). "
Thus the most respectful way of tagging andromorphs and gynomorphs could be [M′] and [F′], since it does indicate that an element such as a function in mathematics is derivated, differentiated but by no means does it indicate that it's inferior in any way. Technically the prime character ′ is it's own character but I think that using apostrophes will suffice.
I would still like to campaign for [G'], [S'] and [L'] because I think it's a way simplify tags when there's 3+ characters. Most of the time when you browse yiff what matters to you is the orientation of the characters / scene, instead of the amount of characters by counting the number of Ms and Fs.
Thus, how about this:
In this case I realize that some precision is lost, but pictures with 3+ characters aren't the majority, it's optional and it could be tidier in many circumstances where you care about the orientation.
I think we might be getting close to having a solution? What do you think?
I think using the prime nomenclature is an excellent solution, and a nice little easter egg for those of us who understand that level of mathematics. I've got no criticisms for what you've proposed, I agree with all these points so far.
Okay, I'm re-reading everything and I think I'm misunderstanding things (which is probably a problem on my end; my reading comprehension is terrible). Just for the sake of examples, what would the following be tagged?: