Interestingly, the states rights debate is true, wholly.
The north wanted to keep the right to acknowledge escaped slaves as free, and the south kept sending people up there to kidnap free men and women. They were even known to kidnap free born black people and sell them into slavery.
The south also wanted to charge the north for this "service".
When people talk about states rights, remind them that the south was heavily infringing on the rights of the northern states.
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States joining the Confederacy were required to enshrine slavery in their constitutions. They didn't have the right to reject it. If it had anything to do with states rights at all, it was about ensuring the states didn't have the right to abolish slavery.
I guess you're one of those people who are incapable of reading between the lines.
Or maybe you didn't read my comment at all?
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Eh, sorry, it seemed like you were genuinely convinced that most people were concerned about legal issues. I've met people who tried to make earnest arguments like that.
They also put it in their constitution that slavery could never be outlawed. Sounds like a really big issue for states rights
"Buy muh Southern Pride!"
"What about the south are you proud of that involves the battle flag of the side that wanted to keep slavery?"
The flag for a nation that lasted less than 5 years. Bill Clinton's presidency was a longer piece of Southern heritage than that.
Cocomelon has lasted for over four times as long as the Confederacy
They're being beaten by mind-numbing nursery rhymes
Matthew McConaughey's career is almost eight times as long as the Confederacy. Why aren't they proud of that piece of Southern heritage? Why am I not seeing this on the back of jacked-up pickup trucks?
Oh sure, a Matthew McConaughey flag is gay but dressing up in a fancy grey suit and hanging around in a tent in a field with a bunch of other fetishists is perfectly straight.
Oh, o-oh my o///o
I don't bother learning anyone's names (or backgrounds, or anything really) in showbiz, but I may make an exception. Strictly for learning. Strictly.
Real Southern Pride is the 1st Alabama Cavalry riding with Sherman to liberate the South o7
I've lived in Minnesota my whole life. Growing up, there was some religiously homeschooled dumb ass serving in the mn national guard who said that the Virginia battle flag was heritage. The last time I talked to him, I told him that the only heritage for us involving that flag is in the MN historical society archives.
Damn, you found a Minnesotan who's enough of a loser to want to give up the flag? I thought that was the one issue that united the Right and Left in that state.
Really? These clowns couldn't take over the capitol building and now they think theyre going to take over the country? Honk your nose for me on your way our the door, k?
They actually believe that they can revolt, and with their AR-15s, magically take out National Guard troops and just acquire their weapons and armored vehicles.
A member of my family is not only a veteran, but also fell into this lunacy and thinks his work as a logistics officer and his NG training puts him on the level of the Navy SEALs. And he's almost 60. He salivates at the idea of fighting the mythical military oppression from the evil Demoncrats trying to take away his guns.
Also a factor, I think, is the notion that the military rank and file are secretly on their side, and in the event of an uprising would defect.
Too bad they fucked over the country so much, 90% of people in the military are just poor people that cant afford college (or to live in general). I dont think these people will join some white supremacist fucks
Some of them might, and if a few state governments decide to side with them a lot of people will get hurt. Even if they lose.
A lot of people gloss over this fact. Most of the folks I served with were poor Latino kids looking for GI Bill money to pay for school. Myself included, minus the Latino part.
Its not just red yokels from Nebraska who can tag an Ivan at 300m. You’re 100p correct, most of the folks in the military would not want to harm other Americans. Most of those guys are patriotic in the good sense.
I don't understand how they think that would work. Like an officer with a few decades in is going to throw away their career for something they saw on the internet? Or do they think a private is going to turn against their unit? Or maybe all the soldiers in a unit will mutiny against their CO? But then how is that rogue unit going to be supplied?
Probably while on base in Kuwait the day before leaving for (honorable) discharge in 2005ish.
The problem with all the slap-on-the-wrist sentences for the insurrectionists, and a totally free pass for Trump for inciting it... Is that they are emboldened to try again.
The only lesson they learned from the insurrection is that next time they should bring all their guns. If people don't understand that, they are nuts.
They came within a hair of achieving their goal last time. Why wouldn't they try again?
slap-on-the-wrist sentences for the insurrectionists,
This is the largest group prosecution in the history of the US. Nothing else comes close. It's a conveyor belt of justice sending losers to the federal pen.
and a totally free pass for Trump for inciting it
He was impeached for it and is now indicted for over 90 felonies. Dude will be under house arrest for the rest of his life. They're unrelated but there's a reason why lots of prosecutors are targeting him. Turns out the Justice Department doesn't like it when you try to invade Congress. They took that shit seriously.
No civil war. This time just let them go. They will quickly devolve into third world countries. And my federal tax dollars will no longer go to their bullshit.
This is it. These people only respect power and hierarchy. Honestly most of the crazies will back down when they lose an election. January 6th was just the stupidest ones.
They're not gonna just go quietly.
If they could just live their lives in peace without infringing on the rights and freedoms of others they wouldn't need a civil war. They wouldn't have needed the first civil war either.
Noooooo. I live in Tennessee and that might be apart of the idiots! Id rather it be done and over with quickly so not to involve normal people.
I dunno, the south might give us a run for our money this time around. I mean, they have some of the most elite soldiers in the country, including but not limited to: the Gravy SEAL's Meal Team Six, the Green Buffets, and the Roast Guard. Not to mention their many terror sleeper cells like the Yee-Hawdists, Y'all Qaeda and Vanilla ISIS.
Scary thought to put our uniformed men and women against that crack fighting force, they might come back with some severe PTSD.
Considering the avg republican has to ride the diabetes scooters at Walmart I think the 2nd civil war will be a goddamn turkey shoot.
Let's find out, Trumptards!
I'm not a Trumper and I know for a fact they not only have more gun owners in Republican voting areas, they also train with them more because it's not as stigmatized. My point is that the Democrat areas will 100% lose any fight since we've been told for over two decades that guns are bad
They have louder gun owners. My friends and I don't advertise our arsenals, and we practice plenty. My carry is hidden from everyone around me, because many people are uncomfortable around guns, and I don't want to make anyone have to think about it. I am not unique, and I'm in a progressive area.
I am aware of the gun ownership of one liberal person whom I know personally. I only found out because when they gave me a tour of their house, I noticed a small decorative item in their closet and asked about it. The item itself was a gift from their family member.
Every Republican I know who owns a gun, OWNS SEVERAL GUNS VERY LOUDLY AND PROUDLY GOD BLESS AMERICA.
People have asked, and I'll tell them what I've got if they're interested, but I'm not proclaiming it by any means. Most don't know that I have made several different firearms and custom attachments. My core group is outwardly some of the most peaceful people you'll meet, self aware, kind, pro mental health, pro acceptance of any marginalized group, but also understanding of the importance of defending ourselves from the encroaching wave of modern fascism.
I promise you are in the minority of blue voting gun owners, and they outnumber you significantly to the point that it becomes trivial for them to oppress you (i.e. cops, military, and rural people mostly vote conservative and most own guns, and so they maintain the monopoly on violence).
We literally will never stand a chance if push came to shove.
Why do you think gun ownership will be the deciding factor in an all out war? Seems trivial to me. There are more guns then there are people to shoot them.
Do you think Republicans are just going to go door to door genociding people?
Do you think the US military will play zero role?
You're fucking insane.
Do you not think arms dealers won't be champing at the bit to deal to both sides?
I can't even do this..
In your mind you must think the GOP is going to decend on a city populous and kill civilians by the millions with their ar-15s.
This is just not how war's are fought.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. We've had to tell these dipshits at least twice in my lifetime not to drink bleach in order to cure diseases.
It takes a lot more that having guns and knowing how to shoot them in order to win a war. They lack the logistics, medical and technical skills required to effectively wage a war. Every time one of these dumbfucks tries to defeat "bullet-proof" glass with a nail gun, it really shows how fucking stupid they are.
But but but the second amendment is so that we the people can keep the government honest
The second amendment should be used for to keep cops honest. After all ya aint gonna randomly kill someone if the folks around you decide to return the favor.
Im talking more along the lines of finding out where the cop lives and saying hello, if ya get what im sayin.
Civil wars don't just start. There's a build up. Republicans will begin to engage in acts of domestic terrorism like bombings and blowing up substations. Dems will definitely retaliate and that's how we get a civil war.
I doubt even this would cause a civil war. By world standards, U.S. citizens have pretty good lives, so most people wouldn't risk it. An unprecedented and complete collapse of the U.S. quality of life would be necessary. People would need to feel like they had nothing to lose, and much to gain to attempt to fight the U.S.
I suppose a quick coup is possible. If the DoD/military backed it, I'd guess most people would just accept it as the way things are, or try to emigrate to other countries.
The U.S., the "west", and possibly the entire world is probably just destined for a long slow decline as global capitalism eats itself. Probably transitioning to something worse featuring mass surveillance, disinformation like we've never seen (powered by "AI" tech), and even greater inequality. But I'm a pessimist :)
Lmao
Paragraph 1: a civil war is unlikely
Paragraph 2: the DoD is going to facilitate a coup to take control of the government.
Paragraph 3: the decadent west will collapse in on itself.
Dude you really went from 0-60 in 3.5 paragraphs.
If by "retaliate", you mean arrest people, then yes. The closest dems get to doing things outside the law is black people "getting uppity" and accidentally setting fire to the local buger king.
What are you on about? Crazy cultist fraction of a political party act out in violence and the other political party decides regular authorities nor even military are not enough to handle organized domestic terrorism but retaliates by own volition? How? By blowing up the neighbouring substation? Political activists driving around in armoured gas powered SUVs vs electric vehicles competing who can damage society most? The absolute majority of people that just want a stable life and feel generally disconnected from politics goes bananas and start shooting and looting and killing over minor disagreements? Bitcoin and gold becomes the most valuable currency along with ammunition and canned beans? Or the worst crime against humanity and allow the normal course of legal process as if the leadership and participants were just like any other citizens doing unlawful activities? Oh no, where be my pearls?
Lol, WHAT‽
This is the ONE time I think you should go find a sand hole and plunk your head right down in said hole.
Hey buddy, don't be stupid. Try thinking ;)
I don't think Nancy pelosi is going to take to the streets with an RPG. I think individual people who identify as Democrat will take it upon themselves to retaliate.
That's an AI generated prompt if I ever saw one. Nancy Pelosi with a rocket propelled grenade marching up Pennsylvania Avenue.
The GOP is a party of cowards. They go along with Trump and all the crazy narratives only because they're afraid of being primaried and losing their positions.
There is a potential for violence and domestic terrorism but it would be a disorganized mess. Just the few true believers duped by the crazy narratives into doing something stupid.
Why did the weapons go unused? I didn't even know they had anything like that besides a few pipe bombs planted as diversions.
They had a hard "no guns in DC rule" and I think captured one van prior to riot.
Doesn't matter the second they get shot at they'll run screaming MEDIC!
That sounds cool fun and easy but armed and untrained and undisciplined nut jobs crawling from the woodwork is not going to be a clean finish for anyone involved. Obviously this isn't meant to be a deterrent for the justice system... but we're working on a different tier here. It's not going to be high profile business and agencies fighting each other. It's going to be normal working people being attacked by deranged wing nuts and always by surprise, because there will be no centcom for them.
So, if you think you're going to be prepared for an outcome like this, I do wonder what you're packing.
It’s more about having an insurgency within the states. The measures to contain and crush that will make everyone suffer.
Nah, these morons aren't smart or subtle enough to "go to ground" and make enduring sleeper cells. Remember, they Livestreamed their crimes on 1/06 and refused to wear masks to conceal their identities at the one time in history it wasn't a massive red flag to do so.
Once again as someone outside the country, you guys are due for getting knocked down a few pegs. Like what did you think the end result of this level of bipartisan bullshit would be if not civil war?
Do you really think any of us (sane) people wanted this bullshit. Half of this has been spawned by the rich and the religious zelots. The other half by not cleaning up the last one properly. Seriously its not talked about too much but parts of the south became guerilla warzones after the civil war.
Dramatic and doomerpilled.
The US military will aggressively dismantle any secessionist activity if it comes to blood. Hopefully we get to see some combined arms ops with the good tech for once instead of holding back.
Meanwhile I'm gonna crack cold ones while I watch red states suffer from their own actions.
The US military will aggressively dismantle any secessionist activity if it comes to blood.
There will definitely be no mistakes they make that cost uninvolved citizens their lives. No matter what, the U.S. military will never be wielded against opponents of the ruling regime, nor in a way that serves the personal interests of those in power.
Seriously, this is a bad outcome. This is a worse outcome. I'd rather have individuals crawling from the woodwork than the U.S. military being used against citizens.
No it's not. These fuck twits are about as inept as a guard in Metal Gear Solid. Throw em a few bones of disinformation, throw em in a bad scenario trapped, light em up. Rinse, wash, repeat. They will infight the fuck out of enough defeats.
"Civil War" is just some fear mongering posturing. Nothing more.
I've been seeing a few documentary style videos on YouTube talking about the uptick in far-right groups in the US. One guy was able to talk to a former group member, saying for the past year or-so they've been "preparing" for a civil war. Another member said they had people intentionally join the army to try and get people on the inside.
Documentary bro tried to contact the FBI about it and was able to get in contact with an agent, but the FBI essentially said they wouldn't do anything about it.
Although I don't think a civil war is going to happen anytime soon, it's scary to think that the FBI doesn't seem to care about any of this.
Something something those that wear the uniforms (or carry badges in this case) by day are the ones burning crosses at night.
It's the company we keep.
Im liberal as fuck, but for some reason my lifestyle surrounds me with right leaning folks.
Day to day, they aren't bad. But holy fuck, bring up politics and they almost all go fucking sideways balls to the wall conservative, and forget that they're all felons....
It’s sad how so many that rebelled against authority and “the system” suddenly turn around and want to carry the riot shield to enforce it.
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I'm located in the Northeast, and the lineage of "Military families" is exceedingly rare here. Most people I know joined up for economic reasons, and tested well enough to be in operational, engineering, and medical roles rather than any infantry.
A friend of mine joined as a right wing conservative (the whole Christian soldier kind of thing) and came out of the military pretty left. Then in the last few years he started slipping down the Joe Rogan slide and has been moving more right again.
to them that information is already too late and too little, they likely already have an informant or deep cover official monitoring the groups like a parent does babies...Snowden confirmed what we already know. if you have a cellphone, you've already been looked at, data mined and labeled by the feds. they don't turn a blind eye to these groups, they just really are small potatoes for the feds, which is still alarming for a gang to operate above the local law but be squished down by the feds
Civil War, Baaahhhhaaaaha! Won't happen! Too many couch potatoes & keyboard jockeys talking about it is all it is. The preppers for it are just gravy seals...
While you shouldn't be afraid of them, you should take their threats semi-seriously since they pose a significant domestic terrorist threat to the US.
Agreed, & I do, but they won't cross that line. If they do, won't go well for them. Dog & pony show is all their social clubs are...
they crossed that line already with an uptick in racially motivated mass shootings. you cant prepare for these kind of events like a declaration of war. and that's where the real dangers lie.
I don’t think anyone really “won” the civil war. We’re still feeling its effects to this day.
No. The North definitely won.
And I think every black person will agree that that matters.
Going to try to give a different perspective here, bear with me. I'm neither left nor right as they are both taking sides of the corral I wouldn't be in. They are however both taking this very seriously, so I'm thinking cartoon memes of Civil War might be make a person, mmm, callous towards it? Civil War conditions don't allow much hanging out on the Internet at home right? Maybe the meme sell is you will be able to do that?
There are surely many deadly people on all sides out there especially if your skills in are in computers and memes. I would think that is the last thing either side would really want!
Reality check for those perception manipulating about the South, um, that is where the majority of US Special Forces are born, those people grow up with guns.
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who regularly waves the confederate flag? Trump fans or Trump haters? That side lost once and they'll lose again
Y'all be tripping, hahaha
Not sure how they relate to civil war.
Working class vs wealthy class war is way better than wasting tine with what you mention.
I know it is a joke...
What class do you think the South represented? They were wealthy landowners who acquired their wealth by exploiting their slaves and the ignorant poor.
What class do you think republicans represent? Republicans offer trillions in tax cuts to the ultra wealthy who gained their wealth by exploiting their workers.
And they’ve gotten smarter at convincing idiots that they’re “temporarily embarrassed millionaires” so they should also fight for the wealthy, against their own interests
Marx himself was vocal in his defense of the Union against the Southern slaver oligarchy, no less.
Is it really, though? The guy is a piece of shit but he was president for four years and America survived.
They defeat it the courts... I don't know, have some schmuck file a lawsuit and then have a republican led Supreme Court escalate it then rule its unconstitutional. That never happens though.
Yeah, that would have stuck. Though, I do fear the lengths they would go through to defeat an amendment. As we have witnessed its not beyond them to enlist nazis and foreign governments. I can't even imagine.
I mean, there are ammendments they want to defeat right now. Those ones don't have the spin of "baby murder."
When could they have done that specifically? At what point was there a majority of abortion advocates in congress and a president friendly to the idea? Give me a year please. Because it sure wasn't under Biden or Obama or Clinton.
No, what happened to them is terrible and I hope every one of them remembers how badly their leaders failed them on election day
How do you know how they voted to begin with? Maybe they didn't vote for those leaders. You know votes in red states aren't unanimous, right? So, again, sort of sounding like you're saying they're getting what they deserve...
Word. I’m here in Ohio and my wife and I didn’t vote for any of this shit. We don’t plan on staying here too too much longer, but there are hundreds of thousands here who also think the cheatin’-ass politicians here are ruining people’s lives but don’t have the luxury to move and are thus stuck here. Fortunately, we did show up back in August to block some underhanded GOP bullshit designed to kill reproductive rights, and hopefully will show up again in November to codify those rights, against their machinations.
You can't throw away your only voice and then complain about not being heard.
You don't vote, then you get exactly what you voted for, what other people want.
I'm not talking about people who don't vote, I'm talking about people who don't vote for anti-choice Republicans but live in red states. It didn't work out so well for them, did it?
Bro, as a woman in a “good state”, abortion rights (it’s not abortion rights, it’s bodily autonomy) did not survive. They are thinly-veiled and hanging on by a thread.
It took me 3 years, 5 doctors, and 2 ‘health care providers’ to be granted the right to sterilization and I was still asked “what if you meet a guy and HE wants a baby?!” multiple times. There were mental health councilors and board decisions. They insisted I would want more because I would meet the right man, even after having an abortion post-child. That was 12 years ago during the Obama administration in a dependable blue state. That shit is NOT sacrosanct and never was.
When a man slams his head into my window, and the glass cracks but doesn't shatter, my response is not "He can do it again, no big deal, the window didn't break", it's "Holy shit did I get lucky, someone stop that stupid fuck from doing that again"
You're right. That's not my response. My response is "Cowing to the threat of politically motivated violence is the death of democracy." Trump goes to jail. What happens after that is immaterial - if the law does not apply to the powerful, even those who attempt to overthrow our democratically-elected government, then we have no democratic government. We have an oligarchy counting the minutes until their next consequence-free coup works.
A civil war is pretty damned far from immaterial. You guys might even lose! You have to defeat him at the polls, other countries have tried doing things the other way and it doesn't end well.
Other countries have also tried the "Defeat him at the polls!" method. Doesn't always work. There are no guaranteed defences. No matter what you do, it will be a risk. However, what is guaranteed is that without the rule of law, there is no real government, only elites and us commoners. Without the rule of law, we do nothing but trade time for another Trump coup attempt - or an attempt by someone marginally less stupid.
"Well, he survived the first plane crash, and subsequent explosion....he'll be fine in the next one. Hey you remembered the double-barrel, right?"