Meanwhile I'm getting pulled over multiple times for my loud exhaust because my muffler fell off and I don't have the money to fix it.
Then the cop pulling me over has to stop talking as a motorcycle drives by so loud he can't even hear himself.
That's because the law wasn't made because rich assholes, but because broken exhausts, wether by design or by negligence, are a god damn nuisance.
And yet the people who's cars are loud by design are largely ignored because fuck the poor.
"Hey I see your muffler is broken"
"Yeah I don't have the money to fix it"
"Well now you'll have even less money, here's your $150 ticket"
Yes yes, we're all aware that something that inconveniences you for all of 5 seconds is worse than someone living at an income low enough to not allow them to fix a non essential part of their only source of transportation.
Ah, yes, in my rural area that would mean walking or biking 200+ miles per day just for work and even if I was capable of that it doesn't solve the problem of not being able to bring my tools so I can work which weigh hundreds if not a thousand pounds.
And there aren't buses around here, not that it would solve the problem of getting my tools around. I'm all for saving the environment and establishing smaller, walkable cities but it doesn't negate the need for automobiles - yet.
Is this a bit or do you seriously underestimate how much of non-walkable cities depend on cars?
Compared to straight pipe, you would have a short pipe. Being so much closer to the engine, you'd get more noise. Even straight pipe dampens the noise a bit.
In Germany its usually the fast cars that get pulled over for being too loud, my exhaust pipe on my old car was completely rusted through and I drove through a police check where they pull everyone over.
They didnt say anything regarding the exhaust.
I replaced it before the next inspection, because I would have never passed with it rusted through.
Fair few states in the US don't have inspections. (And a few that "do" are really limited and almost meaningless. Like Ohio.)
Many states in the US don't have an inspection. I live in one of those states. I once observed someone driving down a highway with four donut spares on their car.
Fair play. I live in Oregon where there are regularly required inspections and emissions testing.
Though granted, in rural counties pretty much anything goes.
Here's in Wisconsin there isn't one
Edit: actually I think Milwaukee has some sort of inspection because they don't want shit in the great lakes but where i am in Wisconsin, no inspection
Ah, I guess that makes sense. Here in Oregon, unless you live in a rural county, we have regular DEQ inspections and emissions testing.
yeah but people actually love loud motorcyclist, right?
Yes you're right fuck poor people how dare they have bills to pay.
Oh and btw my muffler only broke because I was delivering pizzas on shitty side streets. So maybe the problem is cities should maybe fix their roads?
Oh and btw my muffler only broke because I was delivering pizzas on shitty side streets.
Is car owned by you or by company? If first, bill your delivery company. If last, it's company's headache.
EDIT: Downvotes? FYI in some countries with strong labour laws if employer requires something and does not provide it, then if employee spends money on it, said money should be compensated by employer.
Well. Here poor people need to have legal cars. Not my fault you built your society around vehicles.
Honestly, they are right. Sucks to suck, but if your breaks were failing, or your tires were bald / showing wire, you shouldn't drive the car untill you fix it. Even if you don't have the money to do so. You endanger the people around you
Privileged? You'd be fined and be put to trial where I am from for doing that shit. Here all cars have yearly checks post first 3 years from being new. You just glance over the reality that a semi functioning car is a projectile at high speed. What if you side sweep a family and cause a tragedy? You fucking mongrel.
An exhaust fix costs less than $200 if you want to just make it quiet again or patch it.
You are ether European or 10 years old you need a car to get the money to live and keep it road legal
Nah I'm married, father, living good and not a complete moron. Fix your vehicle. USA is crazy I tell you
The problem is that loud pipes are CHEAP.
Literally straight-piping your car is one of the cheapest mods.
You actually have to pay more money if you want more performance and for it to be (relatively) quiet. That's one of the reasons loud vehicles are so common because and best solution for more performance is also the cheapest.
(It is more complicated than that, but this isn't the car community to where the nuances matter)
There's a mechanic advice page but not many have asked for advice. This is a shameless plug bc somehow I ended up being a part of that place and would love to see it active
No and with how most of the users lean, I have a hard time believing a car enthusiast community wouldn't be brigaded 24/7
Good point, we do have mechanic-advice now and just rolled into the shop though
I can't believe that's the predominant view on this platform but have heard a lot
Lemmy is basically white programmers posting Linux memes and how much they hate cars. There's no diversity here
None that are really worth visiting. Cars is one. I think there's a classic car one as well but there are a handful of new posts there every week which makes it mostly useless. Such a shame since Reddit's car subs (and there were quite a few of them) were quite well trafficked.
There was even a sub for the Suzuki Samurai on reddit that got decent traffic. No way I could start one here.
Yup. When my exhaust fell off, I replaced it with straight pipe because it was the cheapest option. I also don't rev my engine through neighborhoods, so no body cares. I can't tell much of a noise difference in or out. I think the turbocharger did most of the damping.
In a lot of places a turbo is considered a muffler or sound damping device which allows for exhausts to be straight piped after the turbo legally.
Did this with my WRX. Kept the cats but everything behind them was pretty much just a tube with nice looking tips at the end
For a short time I worked in a factory that made school busses. They used big diesel engines and not a single one of them had a muffler. The SCR and the turbo made them plenty quiet.
Just remove all the exhaust manifold and let the gases just exit the engine without any noise filtering.
After about a couple of hours of driving, the owner will probably come back and ask for louder pipes.
That's almost what the "whistle tip" phase was, but with a bit more of that super cool "constipated goose passing a load" sound to it.
Now we got DSG farts. Kind of like a shart in an empty coffee tin on each upshift. "Bplarhpth" in English.
Or conversely, having bass boosters so strong that it's questionable as to how you car hasn't fallen apart.
The funny thing is the loudest exhaust possible is probably the cheapest as it's basically just a pipe with no features
That's kinda what threw me off cause straight pipes are cheap and probably the loudest an exhaust you can get it just sounds like shit hence why most cars guys get simply weaker mufflers so basically if you just want a car to be loud straight pipes are the go to but if the car guy wants his car to sound good they get the expensive weak muffler otherwise they have to tune the engine for the sound it's self to sound good on a straight pipe sacrificing performance ironically from what I've been told the fastest cars on the road are actually silent only making noise when they get up to speed spuling up the turbos and making a loud booming backfire when downshifting
TL;DR:
See, Im a car guy and this thought process bugs me. Now at a certain noise level or manner of behavior I do agree but if I can offer a counterpoint?
Every school holidays or long weekend around where I live the roads get absolutely clogged with caravan and boat owners just looking to escape. Be among nature or on the water and forget about their responsibilities for a few days and I just have to sit there and quietly sit in bumper to bumper traffic while my commute takes 3 times longer than normal so they can indulge themselves in their escapism. Every time I take my daughter for a walk along the waterfront theres some teenage girls doing a tiktok dance or some influencer with a photographer I have to walk around... sure I could be a dick and just plow through but I try not to fuck with people just trying to be happy.
So I put an aftermarket exhaust on my car so that for just a few minutes a day I can feel like my life isnt just a relentless crushing grind of work, parenthood and sleep. I can pull away from an intersection and for just a second, I can pretend that life is the "fast and the furious" not "monotony and the tedium". Like the people towing a caravan too big for their car up a hill and inconveniencing a bunch of people, I dont want attention I'm just more concerned with my happy than other peoples. But I'm not also a toolbag who floors a painfully loud shitbox around suburbia at 3am, there is a line.
People doing TikToks or pulling their boats arent disrupting conversations in my own home nor scaring my pets. You may be escaping life for a few minutes a day but I, and many others have to live with your noise constantly throughout the day.
Even though you only do it for a few minutes, there are many other people doing the same thing so it's nearly a few times an hour that I have to listen to it
I'm a postman and every day I put up with aggressive and loud dogs for my whole day, so do all my coworkers. Do we ban your dogs?
If the dogs are impeding your enjoyment of your own home, yeah?
Also loud exhausts ARE banned, the police just never enforce it in my city
You either arent getting my point or you are chosing to argue about a seperate point. My point is that people think its all about attention seeking and peacocking.
Yes, the people withstraight pipes at 3am are fuckstains and I hate them too but my exhaust is letter of the law legal (if only just) tested with a calibrated decibel meter. Im obeying the law and enjoying my life, I just dont care if it upsets you. (Edit: I do hope I dont upset people. But you have two choices in life, let it go or die mad about it. I just dont let the people chasing their happiness who are also inconveniencing me piss me off. I hope they are happy.)
You really had me rooting for you until you turned to the dark side in the second paragraph lol.
Maybe instead of a muffler you could just install a muffler sound simulator on your phone or something and listen to the sounds quietly while you drive?
Maybe the boat owner could sit in the tub and wear a silly hat while he insists people call him "Captain".
That's what people who mod their muffler to sound fast or powerful are doing
"Listen to my 1988 delta roooar! It can go sooo fast roooar! It's sooo loud because it's sooo powerful!"
I'm not anti-car a bit, I'm a mechanic from a family of mechanics and though I appreciate the sound of a nice engine running, I don't see the value in volume personally. Loud doesn't equate to running efficiently or having power (edit) all of the time.
I also hear so many at work that maybe it's taken the fun out of it. Nothing like having engines constantly running full throttle around you all day to make you value a quiet ride home.
I definitely get it as a car guy, I just have had loud engines bother me so much throughout life that I try and be as considerate as possible unless it's absolutely necessary but again I don't judge you, it's just not for me. Gas engines bother plenty of people but I still like and drive em so hey I'm no different
Ironically enough nobody in the world has been deterred from loud exhausts because of the cost. You literally just cut the muffler off, you can do it for under $10 working from scratch
It must be hard when your accomplishments are so little that no one notices you exist; i might be an obnoxious man child just to get people to notice me too.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !fuckcars@lemmy.world
Even car guys will hate you.
but hey buddy, your mustang/challenger/Corvette is loud
Yeah, it's loud because it's a fucking sportscar, being loud is entirely in character and useful for the driver to hear out gear shifts on a twisty road.
In a truck? Just makes you look like a clown.
"to hear out gear shifts"
Buddy, if the engine noise inside the cabin and the emphasis on the tachometer isn't enough for you then maybe you should give up on twisty roads and sport cars.
A loud exhaust makes driving more fun. I will not compromise.
No, I didn't say obnoxiously loud, but sports cars deserve to be loud
No, they don't deserve to be loud, people deserve quietness, cars are objects, they don't deserve shit.
And I say that as the owner of a twin charged vehicle and three motorcycles including a liter bike.
Tell me you're a jackass with a loud sports car without saying you're a jackass with a loud sports car.
But it's "entirely in character" so it's fine right? -_-
If only there was a dial, or display that showed how much revolutions your engine made in a minute. Oh wait there is, it's called an RPM gauge. You don't need need your loud as fuck sports car to judge when to shift gears, ya idiot. Look at the RPM gauge
Idk it did help to hear wtf the motor was doing when I'm off road trying to modulate the throttle to get up an obstacle.
But... it got old. So I went quieter before I got rid of it. I'm keeping the 4R stock because it'll sound stupid (to me) with louder exhaust.
I don't mind loud exhaust if the motor sounds good and it isn't obnoxiously loud.
V8? Yes. V10? Sure. (Gas or diesel). If it's 4 or 6 cyl with manual trans? Yes.
One thing I can't stand is econoboxes with auto trans and high stall torque converters that are just always loud. It just sounds terrible to me. It doesn't sound like a sports car. It doesn't sound fast or powerful. It sounds like a poseur lol. Sorry I can't help it.
I do find a good vroom vroom noise quite satisfying when driving my Subaru outback, but there's no reason for the exhaust system to be so damn loud. Even in sports cars, and American muscle cars
I have the active exhaust on my Vette open almost all the time and it doesn't help me with shifting. I just like it.
