They think the sun works like a spot light. I'm not kidding. It's the dumbest shit
In their own gif they need to make the light the sun puts out oblong which makes no fucking sense and there's no explanation as to why you can't always see the moon.
It's so stupid it's embarrassing to even debunk them.
The Earth is constantly accelerating up at a rate of 32 feet per second squared (or 9.8 meters per second squared). This constant acceleration causes what you think of as gravity.
HOOO BOY,
that is so stupid, Hexbear might actually try to convince itself that it is true.
I almost left Lemmy because of the crap I always had in my feed.
Then I realized all the bottom of the barrel content and takes were all from the hexbear instance. I started blocking any community from that server. It’s like a whole new world
We at sh.itjust.works can proudly claim that we out-hexbeared the hexbears. They defederated from us before we did from them.
I've never had or heard of any issues with shit just works users, why did they defederate with you?
We fought fire with fire. If you want to know the way in which your average Hexbear user conducts themselves, you just need to recall that they have their pig shit image linked to their instance for convenient use: https://hexbear.net/PPB (NSFW!)
Edit: You can also check out !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works, if you want to get a glimpse at what was going on a few days ago.
Dw, I don't need a reminder of how hexbear users are. I grew tired of arguing with them and their bad faith arguments when scrolling through all and blocked all their communities I came across a week or two ago.
And I'm even very left wing. I'm just anti-authoritarian before I'm left wing. I would rather live in a right wing anti-authoritarian place than a left wing authoritarian one.
Thanks for the community suggestion, sunscribed.
based and an-cap pilled wokie tankies always crying AoC this AoC that they just got scammed on crypto meanwhile I made thousands
I don't know either, but it's really nice not seeing their posts. I think it was a "you can't break up with me if I break up with you first!" thing.
They are woke losers that is why, oh what they can call white people "crackers" , "cumskin" , "bleach-demon" and say "we should do mayocide" but can't handle a yellow bear?
hexbear.net/post/504353
"Greetings gamers and those who wisely abstain,
It has become clear to us that even in the short while we’ve federated, the situation with sh.itholefor.nazis is entirely untenable and we will be defederating immediately. Multiple instances of ableist and homophobic slurs directed at our users, overwhelming litigiousness against even the most innocuous comments by our users, and just a general ethos of reactionary behavior. We’re done and out.
One of the concerns with embracing TC69 thought on site bans with federation is that the user would basically be just hexbear-side hidden and blocked from our comms, free to post reactionary content without the fear of Lenin behind them. That was a silly concern. We will resume our pre-federation policies regarding site bans."
I sure hope a hydrogen atom doesn’t get in our way and destroy the multiverse with the collision.
I like how they take into account special relativity by saying, that earth will never reach the speed of light because of it. But then they forget, that this will lead to less acceleration as earth gets faster and faster (and heavier and heavier).
Not just that. In order for the sun to be visible 24/7 from Antarctica during its summer, the light from the sun would have to morph from a circle into a right going around the whole earth. I have no idea what could cause that.
in the winterBecause the alternative was adding ethanol, which wasn't patentable. The creator even got lead poisoning while developing it... then held a press conference where he washed his bare hands in it claiming he could do that safely everyday.
But what doesn't make sense to me is how he not only suffered lead poison multiple times in his life, but he even did extensive study on the effects of lead gas on the planet, mainly in how far it traveled and its levels in areas. INCLUDING THE ARCTIC.
Now that you mention the Arctic... he's also the guy who invented Freon, as in CFC, the stuff that depleted the ozone layer and caused a hole in it over the Arctic.
If you're ever looking for a candidate for Lizard people, he's a good one. 🤣
But otherwise, the simple explanation is: $$
I don't know. Yes it was about money, but something just doesn't sit right about it with me.
So the world is flat so we can't fall off, walls of ice keep the water from falling off its edges. Okidoki.
But the sun, moon, stars and planets don't fall out of the sky? They are kept up there magically?
It's great to read, as is most fantasy.
They consider them "luminaries" whatever those are supposed to be. Not actual objects. Cause that makes sense.
I'm trying to figure out how they think the sun can ever pass below the horizon in that model and it seems like their explanation is.... magnets???
Basically, there is no flat earth model. Every time they present one, there's an easily observable fact that blows it apart. This from the people who constantly bleat "believe your eyes!"
shouldn't have clicked that link on my normal browser. now my "personal" ads are going to flood me with far right conspiracy bs, adult diapers, "oWnEd tHe LiBs" content, lifted trucks for sale, truck nuts, "silver nitrate", and trump hat bs.
Hell yeah, siphon that money out of them
Every time you see one of those ads is one time that someone else won't see it
Most of the time, I would rather have the company requesting the ad keep the money rather than Google. This is one of the rare instances where I would rather have Google and Facebook get the money.
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There are folks that dedicate a good amount of effort into wasting these ads, I hear you can even automate that.
Have they explained why pictures of the moon taken from Sydney Australia are upsidedown from pictures of the moon taken in NYC?
Wouldn't you sort of expect that in a spotlight-style moon?
I say sort of, because what you'd actually expect, at least if I'm picturing it correctly, is that the moon would be rotated by about 130°. To be fully upside down you'd want to be off the coast of South America. And even then it'd be a rotation of 180°, which is not the same as a reflection.
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Yeah it has something to do with magnetic abberation or something that flips images or whatever
they really think the sun is this small star (not big or bright enough to light the entire Earth), and that spins over Earth. Amazing.
It would be trivially easy to disprove it if it were worth the money to load them onto a plane and circumnavigate the globe in multiple directions, showing that there is no "wall of ice" and you always end up back where you started eventually. But it's not, so they can continue to be idiots.
One of them spent $20k on a fancy gyroscope which proves the rotation of the earth and they ignore the shit out of stuff like that.
Visible curvature? Fish eye lens or "refraction". Images from space? CGI.
At one point a flat earther launched himself into "space" with his homebuilt rocket to prove there was no curve, sadly it failed and the guy lost his life in the process.
Dont you love it when you use a light bulb outside and it instantly becomes day time from all the light you are projecting. Good times.
Not to mention the difference between a lunar eclipse and a solar eclipse. Neither one can even happen in their model, let alone both.
But wouldn't that mean for the weeks approaching an eclipse you'd not have a moon at night because it was so close to the sun that it was up during the day?
As a passenger on an aircraft, how is it I can see the curvature of the Earth?
Quite simply, you cannot…
It is likely that those claiming to have personally visually discerned curvature from an aeroplane are experiencing a form of confirmation bias.
Oh, ok then
Ignoring that ancient mathematicians were able to calculate the size of the earth with pretty good results, considering their "world spanning empires" are what we'd consider regional now.
Also that you can literally watch a ship come over the horizon, seeing it's sails first before the body actually moves into view. If the earth were flat the entire thing would be visible the entire time.
You can't reason people out of positions they didn't reason themselves into.
The ships thing, they explain that away with "sea mountains"....I wish I was kidding....
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But I thought water always found its level, that’s why they think water will just flow off a round earth because they fundamentally do not understand gravity or basic, high school, physics.
Yeah, I don't think they understand most of any of the contradictory things they posit.
They also point out that passenger aircraft don't fly above 60,000ft, only to ignore footage from other types of aircraft ascending above the stratosphere and clearly showing the globe
They're just lying to themselves, doing mental gymnastics, or whatever you wanna call it. Thus no point in arguing with them
I mean, technically you cannot descern a curve until you're very high up but that's primarily because the earth is so god damn huge and our eyes are not scientific equipment.
Can't they take something straight to check if it's confirmation bias?
Like hold up a ruler or something against the curve?
They did. Can't remember the name of the documentary done flat earners made but the used a flashlight and two boards with holes in them at x distance and said if the earth is flat they should see the light through the hole. They couldn't until they lifted the board up confirming the earth isn't flat. Still had to make up bs to explain it though I think.
It's "Behind the Curve". They do a few experiments, which all prove the Earth is round, but the flat earthers just keep designing more experiments whenever their last one fails.
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The title of that film is pure genius.
Flat earthers think it’s about peering “behind the curve “ as in the conspiracy they think exists.
The rest of us know its actually describing the intelligence of the participants.
It's odd because many of the flat earthers don't seem stupid exactly. The gyroscope experiment was well designed and requires some decent physics knowledge, but then they go and complete ignore the results for some complete bullshit explanation
Some are, yes. Their arguments are sometimes clever, and it takes a little doing to disentangle why they're wrong. For example, the argument that the flat plane is accelerating at 9.8m/s/s, which gives the same effect as gravity. Some people note that this would mean the Earth would soon be traveling faster than light, but that's wrong. At significant fractions of the speed of light, you no longer get the right answer by simply adding acceleration to how fast you were going previously from second to second. Rather, tt gets you infinitesimally closer to the speed of light without ever getting there.
However, this model doesn't account for why we get different acceleration from gravity when we go to higher altitudes. It also depends on Einstein's ideas of relativity, which flat earthers will often reject in other contexts.
But then there's the gate swinging guy, and it's not even clear what the hell he thinks he's showing.
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The gate swinging guy reminds me of my cousin, who also happens to be a flat earther.
She now thinks I’m in on it because I’m in HVAC, so I “know about pressure” but I don’t entertain her ramblings about how gravity isn’t real and its really the weight and pressure of the atmosphere pushing things down.
Notable excerpts from that argument:
Apparently pressure can only force things down, the pressure from air under an object doesn’t stop the pressure from above forcing it down.
The pressure of the atmosphere apparently isn’t from gravity pulling the atmosphere down, but rather it’s more like a soda bottle, where there’s a dome that holds in all the air and stops it from escaping to space. According to her it’s impossible to have a positive pressure next to a vacuum without the atmosphere being violently ripped away.
All satellites are really just balloons that have to be put up frequently because the balloons pop. But the ISS isn’t real. All rocket launches are really just for public amusement, they don’t do anything but provide an excuse to fund NASA, who is apparently in charge of the global conspiracy.
Before NASA, everyone knew the earth was flat and there was a dome in the sky, apparently. When asked for a source on this, she said it had all been erased.
When asked for the motivation in making people think the earth was round, it’s to make people question there faith.
Oh, and planets are actually spheres, but that’s okay because there’s no life or liquid water on them, earth is special because it’s a disk that god put the dome over to protect his creations.
When asked why people can’t jump higher on mountaintops, despite the atmosphere being noticeably less dense, I was told the atmosphere is the same pressure, the air is just colder, and people only where oxygen masks at high elevation because the air is too cold to breath comfortably, it’s cold not because of lack of pressure, but because it’s close to the dome, which touches the vacuum of space.(this is where I gave up).
I loved the "interesting" quote the guy drops when the board rises up and the results demonstrate a curve. Best thing he could come up with besides "this breaks everything I thought".
I'm a flat birther. Every human is flat when they're born, and then they inflate slowly. I've seen a newborn baby, but I know it is true.
checkmate globersThe only time I ever see or hear anything about flat earth is when people bitch about it on Reddit and now here.
My brother is a flat-earther. He talks about it all the time. One of these days I'm gonna throw him right off the edge.
I'm very sorry that you have to deal with that. Truly. I hope you are able to maintain the relationship and wish you the best.
Is he mentally unstable or unhealthy besides that one symptom? History of mental illness? TBI? What would happen if you took him on an airplane trip around the world from say NYC to London to Tokyo to LA back to NYC? I've never encountered such insanity except for online (in more ways than one heh) so this is pretty interesting to me.
Because they believe the North Pole is the center of the flat earth, I don't think this would convince him.
Taking a flight a long the southern hemisphere, though... flat earthers literally believe there are no flights between South America, southern Africa, Australia, new Zealand etc., because they're too far apart
Netflix has entire documentaries about these clowns. I wish the idea of a flatearth was something that I only heard about on Reddit or Lemmy.
sometimes you see the title of documentaries on programs that are available on netflix also! its ruining your life!
This is like saying that the only time that I hear people say that the election was stolen is online, which is true. Yet there are a ton of people who believe it. I just don't associate with republicans / stupids.
You must live in a blue state. Or at least a bubble. Those people are everywhere so you should feel grateful that you think they are as mythical as flat earthers. (Maybe I should too I guess idk.)
I work with people who most likely believe in that, at the very least that they’re hardline trumpers.
I'm sorry, Dave, I'd love to scan that for you, but I simply can't when I'm so low on cyan ink. It's basic physics.
Alright, here is my take:
Gravity bends light. Therefore, there is a tiny black hole between earth and the sun. You see, the black hole redirects the sunlight juuuuuuust perfect to simulate that sphere nonsense you sheeples believe in.
Though even then, the sun would never go below the horizon, it would fly off in a stright line and disappear. Going below the horizon only works on a globe
The idea is that the light is small and close. It doesn't need to go over the horizon to disappear in the distance.
I'm not sure how they explain the random pattern the light would need to travel for different seasons or why it looks so massive as it rises or sets.
"it doesn't need to go over the horizon to disappear in the distance", but the problem is that it does go over the horizon rather than disappearing, as anyone who's seen a sunset can attest
Maybe not truly logical, but there is definitely an attempt at logic as well as experiments.
The documentary Beyond the Globe was kinda funny, sad and interesting all at once.
It's definetly dark on the other side of our flat earth.
And to prove I'm right: dark side of the moon by pink Floyd. The moon is also flat. Someone is flipping all those discs (you prefer 'planets') over every 24 hours, just like flat pancakes. How can you ignore all those obvious signs.
Jeez. Those dumb round-earthers.
Well when you want to go to sleep, you just say "flip me over, sky daddy". Then God flips over the flat earth and that's how we get to night.
Heliocentrism didn't come about just from observing the sun. We also had to observe the planets and figure out why they would suddenly change direction in the sky. After centuries of increasingly complex models that decently described the planetary motion with geocentrism, some calculating and new models that put the sun at the center made a lot of the models much more consistent.
Exactly. It's not that a geocentric model can't be mathematically described and used to predict, it's just that the math is much, much easier if you put the sun in the middle.
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Funny, but then it would still be all dark or all light at once. Or do flat earthers also deny time zones?
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Flat earthers actually believe the sun is small and close (like the moon) and that it sort of rotates over the flat earth.
Still hella dumb though because you should conceivably always be able to see the sun since it is a flat earth and the sun is above it.