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Social studies teacher here. You know why we don't teach the "classical" education model anymore? Because it relies on memorization and lacks any real critical thinking or analysis. It whitewashes history and devalues the contributions of anyone outside the white, European mainstream.
Just looking at the available sample questions for the grade 8 test, there is no real analysis beyond simple textual understanding ("what it says in the text"). There are no sample questions that actually require a student to write. The writing questions are almost entirely correcting grammatical mistakes. On a complexity scale, there are generally 4 "levels" of questions, with 4 being the most complex, which typically would require an essay response. None of the questions asked go above a complexity of level 2.
And don't get me started on the inherent biases of the texts chosen. The "literature," "historical/founding documents" and "philosophy/religion" texts chosen are all by dead white men: Kipling, Plato, Cicero, Jefferson, Kempis, Eisenhower. The only author who wasn't a dead white man is a dead white woman: George Eliot.
Both science passages have to do with modern medicine, the contents of which are far from controversial: antivenom and cardiovascular health. That isn't to say that there is anything wrong with this, but again, there is nothing that even allows for critical analysis here.
So... yeah... definitely glad I'm not in Florida
and lacks any real critical thinking or analysis.
That's kind of their goal. If you can't think for yourself, they'll happily do it for you.
By classical they mean abusing children, religious grooming, and whitewashed history.
Yep. If you are an LGBT child, they don't care about you. They want to put religious grooming for Christian Nationalism in the schools. And they don't want you to know that slavery is bad. It was a free job training program.
Stop voting for Republicans. They don't care about our rights or education.
Yep. If you are an LGBT child, they don’t care about you.
That's not true at all. They care very much about making sure you're mistreated at taxpayer expense.
Not caring about someones sexuality and gender identity should be the model.
Why do teachers need to push culture and push LGBTQIA2S+ ideologies?
Explain the ideologies you're talking about. What, specifically, is being pushed. And how exactly does this pushing occur
Gender and sexual ideologies are being pushed by universities, which I don't really have a problem with, but in public schools I do.
These gender transitioning videos aimed towards k-5 graders is a prime example of how this push occurs https://www.seattleschools.org/departments/health-education/lgbtq-programs-curriculum-and-support/list-of-books-by-grade/
You never defined what "gender and sexual ideologies" were. What exactly do you have a problem with. I'm not going to watch an hour and a half of videos, which most likely just say it's ok if you're trans, and trans people exist.
I have a problem with school districts teaching kindergartners that if they're sad they can cross dress and be happy :)
I get how those topics can make you feel a little squirrelly, but the overall message is tolerance and compassion. Is it really that terrible to instill those values in kids? When I was in elementary school there were definitely kids who were bullied for being perceived as gay even though none of us really understood what that meant aside from "that's a boy who likes other boys". I really wish I could go back and smack some sense into my younger self, but also smack some sense into the adults at the time for letting us act like miniature assholes.
is tolerance and compassion.
Okay, when we spend much much much much more money on schooling our kids and they graduate and the teachers say 'hey, they didn't learn math...or science...or how to read, but we taught them to have compassion for our ideologies' you think parents are gonna be happy?
Is it really that terrible to instill those values in kids?
No, but that's always been done. Instruction on queerness and gender igeology isn't about compassion, it's about pushing ideas on kids when we send them to government agents, instead of actually teaching them.
bullied for being perceived as gay
Okay, has bullying aimed at anyone been okay in the school system? Have you had a teacher teach you that you can only bully gay people? We've always said don't bully anyone, are gay people not under the 'anyone' umbrella?
. I really wish I could go back and smack some sense into my younger self, but also smack some sense into the adults at the time for letting us act like miniature assholes.
Okay, so this whole thing is about you feeling bad for bullying gay people. Don't push gender ideologies onto our kindergartners because you were a dick in school.
Okay, when we spend much much much much more money on schooling our kids and they graduate and the teachers say 'hey, they didn't learn math...or science...or how to read, but we taught them to have compassion for our ideologies' you think parents are gonna be happy?
What the hell are you even talking about? Do you think school boards will replace math, reading and science with gender equality lessons? Seriously, what the hell are you talking about?
Is it really that terrible to instill those values in kids?
No, but that's always been done.
If that were the case you obviously got a shitty education, because you don't seem to have even a basic understanding of tolerance or compassion
Instruction on queerness and gender igeology isn't about compassion, it's about pushing ideas on kids when we send them to government agents, instead of actually teaching them.
Again, what the hell are you talking about? Kids are being taught normal things ALONGSIDE learning how to not be ignorant goons who say shit like "don't push gender ideologies on kids".
bullied for being perceived as gay
Okay, has bullying aimed at anyone been okay in the school system? Have you had a teacher teach you that you can only bully gay people? We've always said don't bully anyone, are gay people not under the 'anyone' umbrella?
Oh, you're one of those "all lives matter" folks? Yes, let's teach kids not to bully anyone... but let's also teach them that LGBTQ people exist and there's nothing wrong with being friends with them. Given the recent rhetoric against marginalized communities, both from religious leaders and conservative politicians, YES I think it's important to stress the fact that these people exist and are worthy of love is an important lesson for our kids to learn.
. I really wish I could go back and smack some sense into my younger self, but also smack some sense into the adults at the time for letting us act like miniature assholes.
Okay, so this whole thing is about you feeling bad for bullying gay people. Don't push gender ideologies onto our kindergartners because you were a dick in school.
Yes, I feel bad for being an ignorant kid. Yes, I wish there had been people who could have talked to kids like me about basic concepts like tolerance, acceptance and compassion. But no, I'm not "pushing" anything on anyone. Not because of any kind of misguided guilt or for any other reason. I'm literally just hoping my kids don't grow into people... well... people like you.
There's no "agenda". Kids aren't being "indoctrinated" or "groomed". Kids are just being taught that people are different and that's not a reason to be a dick.
Sorry you have trouble with it. Maybe if you had had someone to teach you these basic concepts you wouldn't find it so icky.
They don't "push" them. They accept them for who they are.
I know that's difficult for you worthless bigots to understand. Good thing the entire planet is leaving you people and your regressivness in the dust.
They don’t “push” them. They accept them for who they are.
So teachers only have to say 'hey I accept students for differences' then they don't talk about gender or sexuality ideologies in classes? What's happening here: https://www.seattleschools.org/departments/health-education/lgbtq-programs-curriculum-and-support/list-of-books-by-grade/
That is called acceptance. I know you theocratic fascists want to erase everyone different than you while whitewashing slavery, but that isn't going to happen.
You're gonna have to learn how to not be a bigot if you want to be accepted into society.
So teachers only have to say ‘hey I accept students for differences’ then they don’t talk about gender or sexuality ideologies in classes?
Really simple question, man, can you not answer it?
I know you theocratic fascists want to erase everyone different than you while whitewashing slavery, but that isn’t going to happen.
HAHAHA you can't attack my argument, so you make up a belief system for me and attack me on your made up scenario? what a joke.
You’re gonna have to learn how to not be a bigot if you want to be accepted into society.
Me: I don't care what skin color you have, what gender or who you wanna bang, I'll treat you exactly the same as everyone else
You: WE NEED TO TREAT PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY BASED ON RACE AND SEXUAL ORIENTATION. ANYONE WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE THIS IS A BIGOT FASCIST THEOCRATIC NAZI
You own that url? Seen you post that bs like 30x, only reason I can figure is that you get a slice of that sweet sweet ad revenue..
Anyway, everyone dislikes your stance and nobody is going to stop you from spreading your drivel. have a great evening.
Edit: came back to say.. not everyone dislikes your stance, I'm sure any impressionable children you've groomed into repeating your drivel don't mind.
You own that url? Seen you post that bs like 30x, only reason I can figure is that you get a slice of that sweet sweet ad revenue…
Ahhhh, yes I own the Seattle schools url.
Anyway, everyone dislikes your stance
Uh, yeah, any opinion on here and reddit that aren't far left get downvoted for no other reason other than I think differently than the far left talking points.
not everyone dislikes your stance
Correct, about 50% of the united states are willing to say they agree with me. more like 80% actually agree, but just don't want to be labeled a bigot everywhere they go for thinking 'wrong'
I’m sure any impressionable children you’ve groomed into repeating your drivel don’t mind.
So when I tell kids about my opinions it's grooming, bu you're for educating kindergartners to cross dress, and that's not grooming? Holy smokes, look in the mirro, homie.
Hey I'm just happy to have wasted some of your time while you quote and unpack my entire comment haha. Have a great evening 😀
Uniforms, lineups, the comeback of the ruler...
Here's the thing about the ruler: it's not used to measure anything else but the students pain threshold.
I'm all for classical education, personally. Might I suggest the poem by master Roman poet Gaius Valerius Catullus as an intro?
Pēdīcābō ego vōs et irrumābō
Aurēlī pathice et cinaede Fūrī,
quī mē ex versiculīs meīs putāstis
quod sunt molliculī, parum pudīcum.
Nam castum esse decet pium poētam
ipsum, versiculōs nihil necesse est
quī tum dēnique habent salem ac lepōrem
Sī sint molliculī ac parum pudīcī
et quod prūriat incitāre possint
nōn dīcō puerīs sed hīs pilōsīs
quī dūrōs nequeunt movēre lumbōs.
Vōs quod mīlia multa bāsiōrum
lēgistis male mē marem putātis?
Pēdīcābō ego vōs et irrumābō.
Directly translated:
I will sodomize you and face-fuck you,
cocksucker Aurelius and butt-boy Furius,
who think, from my little verses,
because they're a little soft, that I have no shame.
For it is right for the devoted poet to be chaste
himself, but it's not necessary for his verses to be so.
[Verses] which then indeed have taste and charm,
If they are delicate and have no shame,
And because they can incite an itch,
And I don't mean in boys, but in
Those hairy men who can't move their loins.
You, because [about] my many thousands of kisses
You've read, you think me less of a man?
I will sodomize you and face-fuck you.
I'd really appreciate the opportunity to eliminate all that woke gay shit from our education system, which, as we all now, was only developed 20 years ago and definitely did not exist in the Classical era at all.
They don't want that obscene sort of thing. When they say 'classical,' they mean the Bible, which has such family-friendly passages as-
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
-- Ezekiel 23:20
Your breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle.
-- Song of Solomon 7:3
Our education system has been failing for the last 20+ years. We spend much much much more per student than peer countries, and we have shit results.
I don't know the answer, but somethings gotta change, it seems like a fundamental systematic problem. What do we think a solution could be?
For starters, recognizing that most of the problems our students face cannot be solved by schools, no matter how much money we throw at them? We need our entire society to change. As a teacher, there is literally nothing I can do about the poverty, racism, access to Healthcare, or other sources of inequality outside the school. Society as a whole needs to change first.
For starters, recognizing that most of the problems our students face cannot be solved by schools
Agreed! The push for more social commentary and pushing social ideologies as the 'savior' of our students is absurd.
As a teacher, there is literally nothing I can do about the poverty, racism, access to Healthcare,
All of these metrics have gotten better over the last 60 years, yet our education system is falling being, how are these to blame?
I love how you truncated my quote so you ignored "other sources of inequality." Because even if the other things had been fixed ("getting better" doesn't mean fixed), there's still nothing I can do to solve the social and economic inequality facing my students.
other sources of inequality
That's just saying 'etc.' so how am I supposed to ask about 'etc.'? You're just avoiding answering my questions for you. Can you not back up your statements?
Again, you're picking and choosing what I wrote and ignoring the rest. When you've had a chance to work on your reading comprehension, please let me know.
Okay, let me rephrase my entire first comment then to add the much needed value you desire:
For starters, recognizing that most of the problems our students face cannot be solved by schools
Agreed! The push for more social commentary and pushing social ideologies as the ‘savior’ of our students is absurd.
As a teacher, there is literally nothing I can do about the poverty, racism, access to Healthcare, and economic inequality
All of these metrics have gotten better over the last 60 years, yet our education system is falling being, how are these to blame?
Are you gonna answer now, or are you just gonna keep beating around the bush because you're wrong?