Why would a diplomat have a direct line of communication with a powerful military force in the region? That seems like a pretty straightforward question with an obvious answer lol.
Don't forget all those Hamas nurses and doctors. Totally not indiscriminate terrorism against civilians. Israel never does that!
Hezbollah*
I know it was probably an innocent mistake but people have been mixing these two up a lot recently
Enjoy losing the electronics handheld market to the Chinese as everyone gets paranoid about Western smartphones. Will you still be laughing when this hack inevitably leaks and is used to harm you or your family. I'm a computer hacker and it's looking more and more like these were done by hacking the devices and detonating the battery. But hey, at least you got to do a completely militarily impotent terrorism against a group fighting a genocide.
Oh right! I keep forgetting that Israel is "the west" and Palestine is not despite being geographically on top of each other. Someday I'm gonna have to figure out where exactly this "west" is so I know not to go there.
All credible reporting I've seen is relatively certain that it was a small amount of military grade explosives.
If you have the device in front of you, and are prepping it for your secret operation, that also seems like a much more straightforward solution than trying to manipulate a lithium ion battery in a way that both allows it to work normally for years, but then explode violently enough to kill someone holding it.
lol, the pagers were made in Taiwan. But yes I would enjoy it if Hezbollah members never bought Weastern stuff especially our weapons.
The leading theory is a supply chain attack and that explosives were planted but you would know that if you could read, mr hacker
No that's not the leading theory outside the west. Regardless even if explosives were planted do you think that is going to make consumers feel better about buying western electronics after seeing how their intelligence agencies flagrantly break international laws. We have rules of war for a reason and you chuck fucks are about to find out why first hand when your tech sector takes a hit.
No that's not the leading theory outside the west.
Completely irrelevant as reality doesn’t care where your fallacious claims are sourced from.
Ahhh yes China, which is famous for its respect of human rights, will take over because consumer sentiment will shift. Very obvious.
and you chuck fucks
Full mask off huh, so which is your preferred flavour of dictators boot?
Okay boomer. Computer security isn't some underground scene anymore. It's a huge industry. Saying your a computer hacker is like calling yourself an accountant now. So unbelievable!
If I called myself an accountant then implied something that's very implausible about accounting you'd be right to question it.
These weren't hacked battery overloads they were explosives.
I'm a computer hacker
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it's looking more and more like these were done by hacking the devices and detonating the battery.
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I'm a computer hacker
Careful. I heard about this guy on the news. Apparently he's a famous hacker, goes by the name Four Chan.
Very cute but there are reports of people analyzing the pagers and not finding any evidence of explosives. This is a developing story so maybe this will come to not but your incredulity doesn't change these facts in the ground.
And if you were even a little familiar with lithium battery fires you'd know such reports don't match up with the reports of exploding pagers killing people. So which is it?
We've had numerous cases of phones catching on fire in people's pockets and resulting in horrible burns throughout the years, but how many of these have killed people? A lithium battery is an incendiary device under the right circumstances, not an explosive one. And you need a bigger battery than one in a pager to cause enough damage in a short enough timeframe to kill a person before they can save themselves.
Not to mention that it's not a simple matter to make a lithium battery catch on fire remotely. What are they gonna do, try to draw more current than the battery can provide? That's not going to make a battery catch on fire.
Indeed, supposing they could use software to cause the battery to ignite is one thing (the most plausible part) but your other points are the crux of it.
I'm a boomboom builder btw
Nah, LLMs usually have better grammar than that. My money's on either intern or truly delusional ordinary Lemming
uranium glass, that is, maybe even enriched uranium glass, one might say, and some others might say enriched uranium glass without the glass
I would have called it a glass factory. Means I can snicker every time I tell someone.
Right, absolutely, that's the take away. Anyhoo, so somebody has hidden hundreds of small but powerful bombs in electronic devices on people's bodies in at least 1 country. There's no way to detect them yet. Lebanon is in a panic- civilian, military, Hezbollah, politicians. What are all they gonna do, stop hooking up with other men on dating apps?
Communication? Lebanon has a right to defend itself. It's like questioning why Biden has a line to the Israel Prime Minister.
And most political parties don't sit on a stash of rockets and other military weapons.
Haha no. Take some time and read up maybe? All the info is available. Heck, maybe hop on a call and talk to some people in Lebanon? Anything. Just stop repeating nonsense.
All the info is available.
But it ISN'T. The US mainstream media constantly lies and the US pushes propaganda all around the world. We've been fed disinformation for decades not just since Trump. So I can't just read up on them without a deep dive in trying to first find neutral sources and read and then evaluate them. If you just read the standard version about them your perception is going to be warped. Like I said, they have bad PR, which really means prevailing propaganda brands them as evil.
I don't like their religious views either but fundamentally they are guys in a militia fighting against foreign invaders and threats to their country.
fundamentally they are guys in a militia fighting against foreign invaders and threats to their country
Why do you think this?
Pagers are one directional, and cant be traced.
To view a different way, why do they have a pager, rather than just calling an embassy, "state department" or cell phone?
That's a very weak arguement - you're communicating with the embassy and ambassador of a recognized country.
Is it simply impossible for you to imagine that other peoples have different opinions and viewpoints on things?
Just because it's been ingrained into you that arabs are bad and they are all "shithole countries" or hezbollah is evil, doesn't mean that others share that view. Ask yourself: Does Lebanon and Iran and Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?
And no that doesn't mean I agree with either of those groups. I just realize that framing everything as a fight of good vs evil like it's some fantasy movie where you can just slay the mindless orcs. These are human beings sick of imperialist aggression. Do you expect them to just lie down? Solutions are complicated and don't involve just killing everyone who opposes you.
So of course Iran would have communication channels with Hezbollah or even support them.
The problem isn't that my argument is weak, it's that I have to make it in the first place. It's fucking obvious except to the severely brainwashed, and then there is little point of making it instead of mocking them.
Is it simply impossible for you to imagine that other peoples have different opinions and viewpoints on things?
There are an infinity of viewpoints, and many (most?) of them will be wrong.
Lebanon isn't even included in this, Hezbollah is not Lebanon. Iran is attacking Israel. They could stop doing that anytime and have Israel leave them alone. That includes giving up on their uranium enrichment.
Palestinians are a much more complicated situation, because the settler land theft is agression from Israel and should have stopped decades ago. But the current Palestinian leaders (both Hamas and Fatah) don't actually care to solve that. They would rather have their citizens continue to die so they can continue getting richer. Which is why they encourage deadly attacks on civilian which will keep Netanyahu and his ilk in power, because Israelis like all humans tend to respond to violence with violence.
These are human beings sick of imperialist aggression.
Bullshit. How can you be so blind? Iran is led by right-wing theocrats leaders, they would be imperialist themselves if they could afford to. Actually they are, since they supported Syria when it fucking invaded Lebanon for 30 years. And then left Hezbollah to continue controlling the place, where it has more influence than the actual Lebanese governement, which is supposed to represent the Lebanese people.
Hezbollah does not act in the interest of the Lebanese people, they are murderous thugs that obey their masters in Tehran. If they truly wanted to help Lebanese people, they would not be shooting at Israel. There are so many things in terrible shape in Lebanon they could be fixing, but no, they are a large part of the problem because they want control over making things better.
Iran is attacking Israel. They could stop doing that anytime and have Israel leave them alone. That includes giving up on their uranium enrichment.
This is the ingrained propaganda that is clouding your understanding. Iran always complied (reasonably) with the NPT and seeks peaceful use of nuclear power. Just as Iraq didn't have WMDs. These lies are framing their resistance and defense against imperialist aggression as aggression on their side.
Obviously Iran isn't as nice and democratic, post racist and secular as the USA (/s) but they do have the right to defend themselves. Hezbollah is their tool. The US and Israel has theirs.
Does Lebanon and Iran and Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?
"Defend" themselves against Israel daring to exist?
Why are you changing the topic? Yes, Israel using the situation to expand into palestinian territory is also despicable. But that doesn't magically make military, militia or terrorist attacks against Israel an act of defense.
If you want to condemn Israel's actions then the bare minimal requirement is not being even worse. At which countries openly supporting terrorists and calling for the destruction of a neighbouring country fail by definition.
Why should the US president be in regular contact with the perpetrator of an ongoing genocide?
Almost makes you think the US supports continued Israeli apartheid.
You're asking why the US formed an ally 75 years ago with the only stable democracy in the middle east and has a continued interest in maintaining stability in the region?
Of course not, you can only operate in sound bytes, buzzwords and catchphrases.
"only stable democracy" haha that old chestnut, you are deluded if you are ignoring the number of actual democracies in the ME that USA has helped topple or marginalised.
If someone starts a conversation in buzzwords and catchphrases I will respond in kind. You don't like it? Feel free to start another thread that doesn't use catchphrase as the foundation and starting point for a conversation on me politics.
You guys want to have your cake and eat it. Pick one. Have a nuanced discussion about me politics or throw memes around. Don't shit yourself because you don't like what you see in the mirror.
It's me. We can smear our feces together.
Whilst the first part of your point is correct IMHO, for the rest Israel has been the very opposite of a force for stability in the region and the non-conditionality of the US' help has emboldened successive Israeli governments to behave worse and worse thus making the region less stable (one of their main concerns seems to be to stop nations around them from having stable democratic governments) rather than more.
I would say that ACAB and a bunch of very rich Americans with Fascist tendencies who happen to be Jewish and love the ethno-Fascism which is Zionism having bought American Politics (basically doing what Russia wanted to do and, unlike Russia, actually succeeding) is a far better explanation for continued American support of Israel, a theory that much better explains the unconditionality of the American support for Israel than the idea that it's because of wanting stability in the Middle East.
Absolutelly, American support makes geostrategical sense up to a point. It's just that we're well beyond that point and the American support in its current form (weapon shipments, blocking UN resolutions condemning the genocide) doesn't make sense for geostrategical reasons (both in terms of stability in the Middle East and because it also damages the perception of America all over the World), so it must be something else driving it.
