We can go even further beyond. This distinction is only wxclusive when we're talking about a living thing. When talking about the substances themselves, one is a subcategory of the other. A venomous snake is not poisonous, but a venomous venom is a poisonous poison.
The fact that we're having this discussion at all kind of proves that either English is losing the distinction, or it was never as clear a distinction as people sometimes make it out to be. Either way I'm fine with it because it doesn't seem like a very useful distinction to make in everyday language, and you can sidestep it entirely by using a word like toxic instead.
Yep, seen this one before, by the standards outlined it means that:
Lava is poisonous and Bears are venomous.
Hmm, I was going to say there's a chance you survive biting lava - but technically there's also a chance you survive biting something poisonous.
So yeah, flawless logic. The most poisonous and venemous things happen to be the pure unbridled power of the earth and 900lbs of muscle and hungry.
If I call a snake poisonous, or a frog venomous there is no knowledgeable person that will be confused about what I'm saying. The only people who bring this point up are people who love to be pedantic.
Maybe calling a Snake Poisonous
But if you tell me a Frog is venomous I'm certainly going to misunderstand and get away from it asap
Because funnily enough iirc there are actually venomous frogs that kill if they touch you
In the way that language is commonly used, yes. People have been using it wrong for so long "jealous" has effectively become synonymous with "envious". Even if I dislike and disagree with it being used this way.
If someone is eating a donut and you say "I'm so jealous [of having the donut]" I'm fairly confident most everyone would understand you mean envious by definition but are using the word jealous to convey that meaning.
Here's my comment from the last time this came up (like a week ago):
"There's been no meaning shift. The "possessive" and "envious" uses of jealous both date from the 14th century in English, and both senses were present in the ancestors of these words all the way back to Greek."
It's always been synonymous with "envious", as far back as we can trace.
Ah, but we can go even further beyond in pedantry. This distinction is only exclusive when we're talking about a living thing. When talking about the substances themselves, one is a subcategory of the other. A venomous snake is not poisonous, but a venomous venom is a poisonous poison.
Actually a lot of venom is perfectly edible so long as you don't have a stomach ulcer or cut in your mouth or something.
This is also true. Poisonous doesn't specifically mean "dangerous when eaten" when talking about the substance. It is an insanely broad category. It basically just means the substance is harmful.
Yep, and even when talking about living things it's not a clear distinction.
In biology, poison is a substance that causes harm when an organism is exposed to it. Venom is a poison that enters the body through a sting or bite. In a bunch of medical fields though, poisons only apply to toxins that are ingested or absorbed through the skin and that definition sometimes carries across to zoology.
Venomous creatures are poisonous by most definitions because venom is a poison. But if the distinction is useful in a medical or zoological context then they're not.
tldr: The pedantry of eg. correcting someone who says a snake is poisonous is totally pointless and mostly wrong.
This is the flip side of people trying to justify all kinds of obviously incorrect language by saying it's just the language evolving.
Wait until you have to go out in the wilderness and eat snakes. Then you find a non-venomous snake with hypodermic poison.
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, it works in my case.
Dunno about others.
Yeah. In my case, the thumbnails from mander.xyz posts don't show up because the web UI I use, requests the picture converted to a webp format, which mander's server doesn't understand (the request).
So, in case I want to see the picture, I have to get the link and open it separately and remove the extra query part, to see the image. Or I could the inspector tool to change the URL value inline.
Unlikely. You probably will injest the poison and die, and depending on if the poison also acts as a venom they may / may not.
It's probably more accurate to say "Venoms are injected. Poisons are injested. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithridatism
But I also suspect that there are poisons which are deadly when injected and more mildly toxic when ingested. But I am not a chemist.
The poison from those frogs is deadly when injected. The natives use it to tip their darts and arrows.
Good question. Not an expert. Or even a amateur. But yea eating the venom can't be good.
Aren't those frogs also venomous? The natives use their toxin for tipping their hunting darts and arrows.
The toxins are excreted through their skin, and adhere with the oils that keep their skin moist. It is a defense that keeps other animal from eating/touching them. They are not really facilitated to bite as a defense. They pull prey in, and their mouth mostly crushes, and is used to swallow.
I meant that if we're saying it's venom when it kills you by it being introduced to your bloodstream, then their poison is also venom.
Afaik they all kill you by being introduced into your bloodstream, the difference is mainly how they're able to accomplish getting there. So any poison will kill you if you inject it, but venom will mostly be safe to eat barring any wounds.
From the Natural History Museum UK website -
The hallmark of venom is that it's introduced via a wound. It can be injected through a number of means, including teeth, a sting, spines or claws. 'Poison is different as there is no wound involved. It can be absorbed into the bloodstream through the skin, inhaled or ingested,'