I just want to say for the record that if anyone is on trial for brutally beating a KKK member and I'm on the jury I will never ever convict you. That is not a crime.
You can actually question if video evidence is still credible, with editing software and deep fakes nowadays.
“It’s not a crime to beat up a ghost, because ghosts don’t exist. I think we’re done here.”
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I would never say something like that on record.
Unrelated fun fact: having that kind of record come up in voir dire would immediately get you kicked off the jury.
If a lawyer can find this they deserve to kick me off the jury. Although I will say I've never been picked for a jury I think I'm Kryptonite the most lawyers.
Unfortunately jury nullification also has a very racist history. Not to say it can’t be used for good now!
As long as it still exists, use it for good I guess.
We can't change the system in a day, but we can use the tricks that racists use to nudge it in the proper direction.
And if they don't like it, sure they can go ahead and remove those tricks. Only makes our system more fair and straightforward, which is a good thing.
This was Confirmed agent provocateur:
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Parts of CT are KKK strongholds.
I have a friend who used to live there and he told me his town had some prominent klansmen there, and there were rallies a town or two away.
In the past they've been socially aware enough to keep it to themselves. Since Trump became a thing they've gotten bold.
I live in New England so I'm close-ish to where this happened... I'd like to throw something on them like wine to stain their ghost costumes but who knows if thats legal and i dont want to end up in jail since i have responsibilities to people other than just me.
Is tossing glitter on them not assault? I want something that sticks and makes it so they don't want to wear that outfit anymore. Glitter that's fine enough never comes out.. because it's micro plastics. I normally avoid glitter but feel this might be an exception. Any other ideas non-violent ideas to make them feel unwelcome??
Wine is probably a civil matter, right? They'd have to take you to court under their real name to recover damages.
A super soaker full of pink clothing dye. I doubt if these 'manly man' would like pink clothes.
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I want something that sticks so they don’t want to wear that outfit anymore… any other ideas non-violent ideas to make them feel unwelcome??
I’ve got just the thing for you. Vegan milkshakes. Well, any milkshake will do, because the point of throwing a shake is to get them soaked in a liquid that will smell awful if it bakes in the sun. It might stain clothes, and it will certainly be uncomfortable. You should probably use a chocolate shake with the klansmen, it’ll stain their bedsheets real good.
The best part about it is the physical harm inflicted is minimal, while the social harm, humiliation, is pretty significant. This is important because humiliation is the achilles heel of fascists, since their world view is based on imagery, and this action disrupts it.
The other good thing this does is it can be used to make a potential agitator leave so they can clean up.
This, unfortunately, is assault (or some other illegal activity), so keep that in mind.
The guy in the klan robe is a youtuber who trolls, mostly, Trump stuff. He is there, doing this, because the KKK literally endorsed Trump
I don't normally pick at the physical appearances of people just for the sake of it, but I've noticed that Trump attracts a certain type of follower. Take a look at the people in the background of the next Trump rally and tell me what you see.
Those people and these people are the same. Just a bunch of trashy hillbillies. These klansmen are not the fringe supporters of Trump's cult, they're the ones down in the front. Like wax statues melting in the sun, their eyes glazed over enraptured as word salad pours out of Donald Trump's mouth.
And don't say "well that guy wearing the klan outfit is just a troll, the other people there are not associated with that!". If you've got one Nazi in a bar full of people, you're in a Nazi bar. If you've got one klansman at a Trump rally, you're at a klan rally.
Other than the presence of the Klan, those are normal people. This is exactly the kind of elitism they talk about encountering.
oh don't mind him that's just Freddy, he don't like 'em colored folk and gays, he's a good kid, I knew his momma
Are you fucked în the head? "other than the presence of the Klan, those are normal people" what in the shit does that mean? Why the fuck is the Klan present there? Why is nobody chasing them away? How the shit are you doing anything in your life and you see goddamn nazis next to you waving the swastika and you don't stop to think "yo, maybe I shouldn't be here"? How do "normal people" end up mixed with Klan members and just roll with it, motherfucker? HOW?
Because the comment I replied to called all Trump rally goers hillbilly trash in a general sense. Yeah the people in this picture have an issue. Calling everyone who supports Trump hillbilly trash is exactly the elitist take the far right feeds on.
Okay. Find me the picture of klan robes at a Trump rally. If you want to color the entire movement you need that evidence. Not 5 people in the middle of nowhere.
Slightly different than what you're asking, but in the same line of thought:
You can also search "nazi flag at trump rally", and get loads of pictures of people at his rallies carrying flags of hate. Just because they're not necessarily allowed wearing clan hoods does it mean everything is a'ok.
No sir. I'm not seeing that with "Nazi Flag at Trump Rally" and CPAC isn't even on the radar of the average voter. Most people have their interaction with Trump at his rallies and via conservative news. I'm not saying everything is okay. The man brought back 1800's xenophobic myths on the national debate stage. But again the average voter isn't thinking about it that way. They're engaged with it in a fearful way because that's how Fox News gave it to them.
And you guys are still massively missing the point. This is a third of our country. Alienating them plays into the hand of extremists. They need to see they're wrong. Not be shunned out of a society that killed their jobs, left them in broken towns, brought them the opioid crisis, and ignores their needs. They are the epitome of believing government is broken because the Republicans broke it. And you can't fix that by calling them trash. You have to find a way to bring them good governance again. Get them back into mainstream stuff.
This entire flipping thread has been nothing but a project in othering. And you can't do that to 33% of your country without severe consequences.
People like the ones you're responding to struggle to fully comprehend that they're literally attempting to characterize half the country.
A different thread wants to put them all into a "magat map." Putting aside the dubious idea that mapping the locations of a group of people they're referring to as literal vermin isn't gross to begin with, you would be mapping the location of half the population of the United States.
Harris is losing momentum according to polls and Trump is slowly but steadily rising. It's on average every other person you meet. Disparaging them does nothing except fuel the the charges of elitism, as you note.
Normal people don't hang out with klansman, we beat the shit out of them.
These people are far from normal. They're downright weird.
As a German I have a solution:
If we see a Nazi, we punch them. And with see, I mean specific symbols, clothing or other specific identifiers.
If I'm on a trump really, I should be able to punch the people in KKK outfits, the ones with swastikas, and the ones with old flags representing nationalism. And I should also be able to call the rest of them out.
I like this solution. It's a pretty straightforward one.
That's the problem. There is no evidence of specific symbols at Trump rallies. The commenter above has conflated the people in this picture with all Trump voters.
They are going to exercise... their right to vote!
I'll be leaving now. You can stop throwing things.
Well, I count five of them. CT hasn't been a swing state since Reagan. I wouldn't be too worried about that changing this cycle.
But just like with other big blue states, like California and Illinois, you often see the perennial losers go full freak mode as a form of coping. Its the same way you see folks in Austin, TX or Miami, FL going full hippie-bumper-sticker on their cars and bikes. Folks sometimes think being louder is a substitute for being more popular.
These are likely the craziest nutjobs Connecticut has to offer. None of them have many friends or families, obviously. Kids probably all are scared of these people.
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No this is honest. I travel a lot for work and I feel like I see more Trump signs in CT than I did in KY. Not to say that there aren't more Trump supporters in KY, but they are a LOUD minority
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I'm not sure what's worse - the KKK member or the person standing unashamedly next to them showing their face
This is a man who trolls Trump stuff, he often does the KKK thing because, as his sign says, the KKK actually endorsed Trump
Putin says things like that because he knows it influences people in ways he desires. There is an absolute massive industry the Russian government created to push their stuff. It is meaningless when it comes from him, because he doesn't actually endorse anyone, he is stirring shit.
The KKK are, A. in the US and voters, and B. endorse candidates they feel most suit their ideology. So a US presidential candidate getting an endorsement from the KKK, vs Putin saying he likes one, are two different things.
Noone in their mind wants kkk endorsement. It's 100% setup . And Trump s campaign rejected the endorsement
It doesn't matter that he didn't accept it. The KKK's endorsement is the KKK saying that you are the candidate that is in their favor. Simply being in the favor of the KKK is a black mark.
What is 100% a set-up? The KKK endorsement? No, they really did endorse Trump, as an organization. Are you talking about PD standing there, with that sign? Sure, he went there to do that. Was he an agent of the government, or some influential organization? No, he is just an internet troll, that doesn't meet the requirements to be an agent provocateur. Further, what he did, did not make it seem as though the group, he had infiltrated, did something they had not, in order to malign them with the general public/government of review. He stood there, with a sign, that said something that is true.
Oh, wait, you actually called Professional Douche and agent provocateur... PD is just a guy who publicly trolls people, he doesn't like, on YouTube. He isn't a government operative sewing disinformation. It is probably pointless to talk to you, if you genuinely think this.
Put these fascists on https://magatmap.com Fascists should be identified and disenfranchised.
In a similar vein, anybody with information should reach out to the ACC:
https://accollective.noblogs.org/
They document and oust neo nazis/fascists.
I know some former Christian Scientist is laughing his ass off knowing that no cult lasts long if it remains tied to their leader.
That's weird, I thought klansmen don't have to hide their faces behind hoods anymore after Trump. Someone should tell the guy to get with the times
This was Confirmed agent provocateur:
Their costume makes them easier to identify: in public, down the sights, and in the courtroom. It won't matter even if someone does tell them. They don't understand any language but violence.
As a brown man, that's why I've bought a rifle and handgun. If they wish to have a "conversation" with me, then we'll "talk".
Thinking about MAC10 bump fire between my 9 and 5.56. But, fuck it's expensive.
Bump fire isn't a device. It's a technique that's easier to perform with certain firearms such as a suppressed MAC10. It can't be made illegal.
If this is your way of saying you'd like to arm yourself but cannot due to local law or your status, then explore a replica Remington Model 1858. If that's not legal, a muzzle loader. And, if that's not legal, bear mace.
Take a safety class. If you don't want to learn from a LEO or NRA asshole then engage the SRA.
Come on folks. Do you think the actual KKK would have a sign saying: "Trump: Endorsed by the KKK!"
I mean Trump took an avowed white nationalist Laura Loomer to a 9/11 ceremony. We don't need to find evidence out there that Trump is racist, he's out there telling everybody himself.
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I'm pretty sure that's this guy: https://www.youtube.com/@ProfessionalDouche
Trolls Trump events like this pretty often, he's an entertaining watch.
it is, here is a link to his YT community tab, which it is at the top of, because the news article is paywalled, and I am not in a place to do things like disable javascript, etc.
This one he did during a pro abortion March is great:
Yeah, I have been loosely following him for a couple years now. He is hilarious. I hope he doesn't get himself, or his life standing, damaged by the freaks he taunts, especially since one of his biggest targets is the police.
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The "great" times, half the US fantasize about, but then most of them will argue its always been the greatest country ever.
So yeah, not at all surprising, this runs in the open.
To be honest, attending that “event” in a KKK robe would do great to show Trump voters who they caucus with lol.
That is what is happening here. That is youtuber professional douche.
While they could be a plant, the fact that they aren't being pushed out of the display is still telling.
SPOILERS FOR Red Dead Redemption 2
There is a proxy of the clan in-game. same outfits, etc. You can stumble across them one night and they're about to light a giant cross on fire...and something goes awry and they light themselves on fire. This is also one of the very very rare instances where you can kill non-gang aligned randos in the game, unprovoked, without a hit to honor.
I came across this, had fun. Took the Dirty Arty route, started lobbing dynamite at them then ran in with the shotgun. Very entertaining, and even managed to not get Arthur killed in the process.