"Emulators are only OK when we specifically release them for our own hardware to run an extremely limited catalog that we hand pick and then charge the price of a brand new release for. Everyone else get fucked"
Don't forget releasing pirated copies on our stolen emulators that we are now charging money for!
They've been suspected of selling downloaded ROMs several times, but the incident with the most evidence was when they released a port of a GBA collection of Medabots games on the switch eShop using a pirated version of the mGBA emulator. Like: there were strings of code matching from the original emulator.
The EULA of mGBA actually allows commercial use, but Nintendo didn't credit the emulator or the author, making it piracy.
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Given that Nintendo probably doesn't develop Medabots games, wouldn't that not be Nintendo that committed piracy in that case?
Just looked it up -- not even published by Nintendo.
It isn't eBay where anybody can sell anything. Nintendo curates and specifically authorizes all games sold on the platform, and they also license the right to emulate their legacy hardware in commercial releases on their platform.
They charged money to allow the sale of pirated software.
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I think that's a bit of a stretch. To what extent do you think Nintendo was aware of the particular details in this situation?
I thought this was a 3rd party company, not a Nintendo 1st party product. I can't remember the name, but it was a company that rereleases out of print games on physical cartridges.
"Don't mind if I do!"
uses their official emulators to play roms on SNES Classic and Switch
Meanwhile there's a bunch of evidence suggesting Nintendo used pirated ROMs for their own emulators.
Hey, remember that game you loved as a kid and wanted it on your newest system with minor quality of life changes? We made a mobile version that kills the style, has a shitty controller layout that you cant change, and its $59.99 more than when it originally released 30 years ago
The fact that SNES games were $60 30 years ago and games are still that price means we are actually getting a deal. Except the physical part is what made the $60 feel worth it, the cart, the full color 30 page manual and sometimes posters! Now games are digital they should be like $10 max from Nintendo.
They were also complete games rather than having content carved off of them to sell as MTX.
Wait...FFVI was for the SUPER NINTENDO??? I love that game, why did I think it was a PlayStation original, along with VII?
Edit: I looked it up and it's blowing my mind that it came out in 1994.
SNES was home to some of the best RPGs. Chrono Trigger, FFVI, Mario RPG, Secret of Mana, Tales of Phantasia. I remember when FFVII came out it was a heated debate of which one was the best between VI & VII.
Shows how timeless the games you listed are, I played most of them in the mid-late 2000s as a kid and never thought of them as "old" like I do with the SNES, lol.
Your thinking of Fanal Fantasy Anthologies which includes FFV and FFVI which were both originally SNES. First FF game on PS1 was FFVII.
Weird from my perspective for someone to think FFVI was first on the PS1 but I grew up playing NES-PS2 during grade school.
Your thinking of Fanal Fantasy Anthologies which includes FFV and FFVI which were both originally SNES
Europe actually didn't have FF Anthologies 🥲 I played both VI and VII while visiting my family in Europe, and my cousin had them as standalone games (and I am forever grateful he was kind enough to trust a snot nosed brat like me with his precious PlayStation)
It gets even weirder, as the US only got FF1, FF4, FF6 originally and the latter two were renamed to FF2 and FF3 when they were localised.
The pixel remaster is a solid version. Could have used the GBA dungeons, but the music is very well done.
My rule is that if they don't sell the game for the original system anymore, then it's not stealing.
Stealing from who. The used market?
Which they and every other gaming company have tried to kill at one point or another, and I fully expect them to try again next Gen. They probably hope that the people who pay attention and care are getting older and won't make as much of a fuss as we did with the last three generations.
Thankfully hacking systems has never been easier. I'm literally downloading games on a fan Eshop for my Wii U as we speak.
Serves them right for closing it all down
Barring me from getting old games in a modern platform will not stop me from playing old games on a modern platform.
The sooner they realize that and plan accordingly by releasing their old catalogs for appropriate pricing, the sooner they will get what they want and piracy and emulation will plummet.
When people have a cheap and easy way of doing something without wondering if they're about to get SWATed, they're way more likely to actually do that.
I'm sure you meant it as hyperbole, but SWAT will not actually show up to anyone's home just for pirating video games. At most, a handful of local police or FBI may knock on your door, but SWAT are not called in for something like that. Not unless you have some history with the police of extreme violence or you have given them reason to suspect you are going to put up a fight.
A person is most likely to recieve a letter in the mail or an email from the lawyers of Nintendo before police are invovled.
It's not easy having to pay to keep a warehouse with every arcade cabinet, game cartridge, and game disk ever made, but we can't be violating copyright, now can we? Think of the corporations!
Every time I hear Nintendo issues another C&D, I have a new emulator to download before they get forcibly taken down.
It's 100% the streisand effect.
"Oh you're whining about another small group of people passionate about your past games? Well let me pile onto your woes. Asshole."
I do not understand how one company can have so much dedication from fans while simultaneously despising them.
If YOU aren't going to offer a 100% obviously and clearly above board, legal, safe, option for games anymore, someone else WILL and you get absolutely nothing from it.
And I also don't understand why a company with no intention of ever selling something again still has the ability to sue people while claiming lost revenue. Get fucked, and stop bitching. It just makes me never want to buy Nintendo products ever again.
But that won't stop me from playing Nintendo products.
There really needs to be "Use it or lose it" system when it comes to intellectual property.
Not selling Manhunt 2 anywhere? Can't bitch when I find a cracked copy...
I'm just kidding, Rockstar doesn't because they realize they're not losing money on a product they literally don't sell or even acknowledge that often.
Piracy is not a crime, it is the preservation of art.
I tried to run suyu yesterday and found out that Nintendo actually succeeded in practically killing the development of yuzu and its' forks.
Suyu and sudachi are dead and torzu is hosted/developed by a single developer who admits they wont be able to properly keep on development.
It's reasonable, because apparently yuzu used Nintendo code from a devkit, which makes the whole codebase radioactive. But yeah: Nintendo actually succeeded in the end. :/
I know. But they targeted yuzu and successfully killed it. (because some of the devs supposedly did extremely stupid things)
There is a actually a method to Nintendo's madness. As part of IP ownership, "Reasonable Measures" must be taken to defend your IP or you risk losing the right to defend them. That said they can gobble my ryujinx
I am definitely not a lawyer.
This only applies to trademarks and the risk of genericization. You don't lose copyrights that way.
From my understanding of Japanese law (lol super duper limited), it actually is the case specifically in Japan that they could lose their older IPs, however if they are still in use (banjo kazooie just got a new game in the last few years, right?) then THOSE IPs are safe in terms of maintaining ownership.
In my opinion that's just bullshit, but I do understand the reasoning.
However, if an IP has been abandoned, and no new games are planned, it should be completely fair game.
The “actively using” part is my conspiracy theory on why Disney has recently made so many live action remakes. They need to be able to show that they’re still using their copyrights and trademarks, so they’re just rehashing all of their old movies as live action. It doesn’t matter whether or not it’s good, because the company is just trying to maintain their IP holdings.
Similar to why they added Steamboat Mickey to their intro. They wanted to show that they were still using it, so they just slapped it in as part of their intro. The only reason that fell through was because they failed to bribe enough lawmakers soon enough, and missed the deadline to vote to extend copyrights.
I always just assumed the Live Action movies were a money laundering scheme.
Outside of Aladdin which people only saw because "Will Smith genie memes!", did any of them even make money at the box office?
The last time Banjo Kazooie had a new game, I was still a man.
That ship has long since fucking sailed, I'm post-op and everything.
Can you help me with this? My reading says different:
What is Intellectual Property?
There are four types of intellectual property:
- A trademark is a name, logo, symbol, slogan, or tagline – or in some limited cases, even a shape, color, or sound – that is used to identify and distinguish goods or services of one person or company from those of another.
- A patent is a right granted by the federal government to the patent owner that permits the owner to exclude others from making, using, or selling an invention for a limited time period (for example, up to 20 years).
- A copyright grants the owner the exclusive right to publish, reproduce, print, perform, display, license, film or record their literary, artistic, or musical content, and prepare derivative works based on the copyrighted work.
- A trade secret is highly confidential proprietary information, such as a device, method, technique, process, formula, or program, that has undergone reasonable efforts to maintain its secrecy because it provides significant economic value in not being known or readily discoverable by others
Wouldn't the bolded 'trade secret' section cover their switch's defense against its emulators?
Then, the requirement to defend:
For Good Reason: “Reasonable Measures” in Recent Trade Secret Law
One often-overlooked requirement has the potential to make or break a trade secret misappropriation claim: the trade secret owner must have taken “reasonable measures” to protect the trade secret; otherwise the information does not qualify as trade secret under the Federal Defend Trade Secrets Act (“DTSA”) or the Uniform Trade Secrets Act (“UTSA”). But the statute does not provide what protective measures are sufficiently reasonable, so that determination largely depends on each case’s facts and circumstances. This article examines recent case law surrounding what measures courts have found to be “reasonable” under the circumstances (and which ones courts have found were not “reasonable” under the circumstances).
It's certainly possible, but AFAIK their objections have been about piracy and copyright infringement. At least I haven't read or heard anything about trade secrets being at issue.
Which is why I'm surprised most video game characters are generic humans these days.
Seems like it's easier to protect a trademark on Banjo and Kazooie than it is for John McWhiteguy from Call of Duty.
If they sold emulators on steam or gog I would probably pay a reasonable amount for them. But they don't, so I pay nothing.
IMO, a subscription service is almost worse than not selling them at all.
Either I buy them individually for a reasonable one time fee, or I don't and get them for free.
I don't want to play on a switch though. If I play on my computer, that's a platform that's going to be around for ages. And had no subscription fees.
I recently jailbroke my Wii and ripped all my current games, so this is surprisingly relatable to me right now.
I also got a low firmware PS4 to jailbreak so I can rip those in preparation for ShadPS4, an up and coming PS4 emulator. Bloodborne is running on it now, though it's still far from playable.
How about you re-release your older games on platforms I'm willing to pay for, ones that aren't tied to an arbitrary subscription service or apart of a digital storefront that can go down at any time?
Literally what happened to me. I have a modded switch but still bought games for it, when they shut down yuzu I packed the switch up and play exclusively on PC now.
This is what I did, although I went a step further than emulating. I'd always been planning on hacking my Switch once the next one came out, but when Nintendo went after Yuzu, I said fuck 'em and hacked it then and there. They won't be getting any more sales from me this gen.
This meme works especially well because Pam's line immediately before this is "I could give a shit about your happiness"
Yeah, I'm kinda pissed about this stuff. I watched Noodle's video about the motorstorm series and come to find out I have to spend a bunch to get the original hardware or just not play it because I can't find any ROMs online anywhere.
What? Search nointro on archive.org for collections of cartridge games. Search redump there for disc based.
Anything not on archive (usually newer releases, or disc based games from PS2 or later), try some of the resources from the wiki/megathread on db0.lemmy.com's piracy community.
"no results found" when searching for motorstorm.
The 2 lists I pulled up didn't even have PS2/3 on there.
I've given up searching for it anyways.
There are a few sources you could check. One place is nopaystation.com. There's another good source I'm aware of, but I'm on mobile and don't remember the specific link.
I ripped my own copies of Motorstorm 1 & 2 and it's pretty great on RPCS3. Would recommend.
If you want to rip copies yourself it's not that difficult to do. You don't need a jailbroken PS3 to do it, just a compatible Blu-ray drive from RPCS3's compatibility list and a program called PS3 Disc Dumper or something like that. Through that method alone I've been able to rip over 110 PS3 games since November '23.
I got a confirmation on my MIG being shipped just a few days ago. Also finally managed to cancel my Nintendo online subscription, they couldn't have made that more difficult.
Nintendo isn't even losing money. There so people still buying Nintendo products. Probably cause they don't know how to emulate and such.
Nintendo has a long history of trying to kill emulation, even legit ones, and on PC, it's very easy to emulate stuff including by legit means, so the joke is that Nintendo is saying to stop emulating, and PC gamers out of spite answer by emulating more (and if it's "emulating more" by legitimate means or otherwise, it's not clear).