The acceptable level of support for genocide is exactly none
Alt text: a destroyed city filled with speach bubbles all saying "stop your bombs" and Kamala Harris in the foreground with "I'm speaking" in large text along the bottom.
Alt text: a destroyed city filled with speach bubbles all saying "stop your bombs" and Kamala Harris in the foreground with "I'm speaking" in large text along the bottom.
"I'm speaking" are literally her words in refence to pro-palestinian protesters chanting at one of her rallies like 2 days ago.
Edit: her campaign has at no point expressed a desire (let alone a demand) to end arms shipments and military aid to Israel. Nor has she expressed at any point that she intends to demand an immediate ceasefire if elected.
Edit2: clarification
Yes this is such a disappointment. All we want to hear is her calling and pledging for the stopping of genocide of the Palestine people.
Putting words into people's mouths, as you just did, and strawmanning, as the original meme does, are both bad arguments.
Opposing genocide is a good position. Let's not weaken our good positions with bad arguments.
Kamela Harris told pro-palestinian protesters at her own rally "I'm speaking" to silence them. This is a fact and not a strawman argument. If you want your comments to not be removed from this community for supporting genocidal entities, you'll need to explain where the strawman is in the OP meme.
Please, point out the strawman here. I responded already that "I'm speaking" were Kamela's exact words in response to recent pro-palestine protesters.
The strawman is that you're attacking a position that isn't hers and implying that it is. Harris has called for an immediate ceasefire and respect for protestors. She also met with the leaders of the Michigan uncommitted movement.
The fact she hasn't called for an arms embargo means nothing, no one influential in either party has so far, and a full arms embargo would be untenable politically, the U.S. has to at least keep supplying defensive arms like the Iron Dome to appease the pro-Israel members of the U.S electorate.
Why did she release an official statement condemning the people who protested Netanyahu's recent US visit? She could have said nothing at all, but chose to attack the very people who "refuse to remain silent" about the genocide. Why didn't she take the opportunity to agree with the protestors at her rally, and condemn the ongoing genocide and the ongoing US support and enablement of it?
"a full arms embargo would be untenable politically... to appease the pro-Israel members of the U.S electorate." Is support for genocide which is against rule 5 of this community.
We do not appease genocide supporters here.
The first link you posted is how she responded after the backlash from the events of the rally mentioned in your second link. That "meeting with leaders of the uncommitted movement" provided no actual results in terms of policy changes, only placating words.
The fact that no one "influential in either party" has called for an arms embargo does not invalidate our calls to an end to the genocide. If anything, it further proves the Democratic Party's support for the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people.
Until the immediate end of all military and financial support to Israel is a part of the Harris campaign's actual platform, it is absolutely not a strawman to attribute genocide support to her.
Just say you want another Trump presidency. Please, just say it. We all know you do.
Transparent as fuck.
Just say you're okay with genocide as long as it's funded by team blue and only affects brown people on the other side of the world. Just say it.
Our choices are genocide light and geneocide pro. They both suck, one will be much worse. It's much more likely to get the light version to back out of it then the pro version. So while I can understand your position, it is VERY counterproductive to your goal.
The point is to change the system, not enable it by continuing down the same road we've been on for 50+ years that has led us to this point.
Consider a Palestinian facing constant threat of extinction paid for and produced by the US. The problem is not which right wing party is in charge when the bombs drop, but the decades long imperialism that has been wholistically supported by both dems and repubs. They're two sides of the same coin, both hoping the people won't realize that the whole system is designed to prevent any real change.
Also, your assertion that "genocide light" is acceptable violates rules 2 and 5, and I'm removing your comment because we do not allow support for genocidal entities in this community.
She can't do a thing about it. Congress has had the US on the hook supporting Israel with weapons since 2008 (bEcAuSe ThEyRe A sTrAtEgIc AlLy), and at best, this "legal" support won't go away overnight. It's utter crap. If we get more progressives in Congress they might (might!) start passing legislation to phase out our military support of Israel but right now all the US is allowed to do is clutch their pearls and keep fulfilling the contract. It's great when a "world leader" country is de-fanged by a genocidal dictator over an old agreement innit
The moral of this story is don't stop protesting. Some liberals are easing up on the Israel/Palestine issue because they believe Kamala will get a ceasefire on favorable terms, but she remains aligned with the status quo and will compromise heavily if she is not pressured by a large constituency on the left. Kamala is more movable on the issue than Biden and that means we need to keep pushing her on it.
There was a more recent rally where she seems to have learned from this mistake and dedicated some time to acknowledging the protestors and calling for a ceasefire before continuing her speech. I think this shows that unlike Biden she sees the protestors as being worth appealing to, and they need to respond to that by making their demands clear and actionable.
That’s exactly my point. Between the two choices available Harris is the only choice. A split vote will favour Trump who will enact more genocide