Wild that we let a person cover their vehicle with signs that essentially say "I have severe untreated mental illness and no grip on reality", and society at large says "sure, keep operating that heavy machinery in public".
"I have severe untreated mental illness and no grip on reality"
(Emphasis mine)
That is a vast oversimplification of how people work. It is absolutely plausible to me that someone might believe obvious lies but is otherwise qualified to drive heavy machinery. Analyzing the society you live in is a totally different skill than driving.
For example, if I found out my bus driver literally believes that reptilians run the world, I would still trust them to drive my bus because driving a bus has nothing to do with lizard people. Conversely, I wouldn't trust a bus driver who agrees with everything I believe in but is currently having a panic attack.
This is important to me because I am mentally ill (treated, but mentally ill nonetheless) and autistic (which is treated like a mental illness), and this is the kind of logic that tyrants use to manufacture popular consent to further marginalize mentally ill people.
Look, I understand the line you are trying to walk here, but encountering a vehicle like this and thinking "this guy just has different ideas than me, but is otherwise trustworthy" is not rational thinking.
There's a difference between believing in conspiracy theories and covering your van with warnings about the nanochips on your body that give you computer generated diseases.
If I learned that someone suffering extreme paranoid delusions like this were in charge of operating a passenger vehicle, I would be extremely concerned with the safety of those passengers.
This isn't some unreasonable thing. I have a lot of compassion for those who suffer from mental illness, but I also think that public safety should take precedent when it is clear that someone is mentally incapable of being trusted with things like heavy machinery.
It's not the ideas expressed on this vehicle that concern me. It's that every part of this indicates a serious and untreated mental health problem. The only way my opinion could be redeemed is if the owner of the van came forward and said it was a joke, or a prop for a movie or something, because nobody with a connection to reality is going to write those things all over a truck and parade around town trying to spread the word if they aren't severely dissociated from reality.
And I cannot stress this enough, nothing about this story has anything to do with Autism. Paranoid delusions are not a typical issue for Autistic people.
And I cannot stress this enough, nothing about this story has anything to do with Autism. Paranoid delusions are not a typical issue for Autistic people.
Agreed, but I am autistic and I have had this language used against me to argue why I shouldn't be allowed to make my own decisions. I.e., it is a popular misconception and form of rhetoric that autistic people have paranoid delusions because we perceive the world differently. I brought it up because I'm arguing from my lived experience as a mentally ill and autistic person, i.e. I'm not just being an internet contrarian.
I did not mean to imply that autistic people typically do suffer from paranoid delusions. However, (at least in my view) we do suffer from neurotypical people believing we suffer from paranoid delusions.
encountering a vehicle like this and thinking "this guy just has different ideas than me, but is otherwise trustworthy" is not rational thinking.
I don't have to find someone completely trustworthy in order for them to be an acceptable driver. Actually, I typically don't fully trust the people I get in cars with. I only need to trust them enough to know that they're not going to veer into traffic, they're going to drive reasonably, and that they will take me to the place we promised to go. I think that the kinds of decisions that go into driving are completely different from those that drive a person to mark up their car.
Look, I understand the line you are trying to walk here
Yeah, I am trying to "walk a line" here and I think I understand where you're coming from, so I'm absolutely willing to agree to disagree.
I'm absolutely willing to agree to disagree.
This is called a "Thought-terminating cliche", specifically this one: I'm entitled to my opinion
"Where an objection to a belief is made, the assertion of the right to an opinion side-steps the usual steps of discourse of either asserting a justification of that belief, or an argument against the validity of the objection. Such an assertion, however, can also be an assertion of one's own freedom from, or a refusal to participate in, the rules of argumentation and logic at hand."
So, unlike you, I am not willing to "agree to disagree", because this is an intellectually bankrupt position. You are overreacting to concerns regarding schizophrenic people and being irrational because of a personal concern about perceptions of Autistic people, despite nobody saying anything about Autism (but you).
I am also on the spectrum, and I wish you would think before you drag Autism into this conversation, because Autistic people like us don't do crazy shit like this.
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The guy driving this van is probably about as functional as someone in the middle of a panic attack. Very likely erratic and on meth I would not trust to drive.
The guy driving this van is probably about as functional as someone in the middle of a panic attack. Very likely erratic
I would have to talk to them first (or watch them drive if I'm in traffic) to see if that actually is the case, just like I would if the person's car was clean.
So where I live if you have a disease, physical or mental, you go to a doctor and they decide if you're ok to drive or if you need to pass an extra test first where you are judged if you're able to drive safely with whatever disabilities you have. This is besides the standard driving test and written test. Also everybody has to take lessons with a professional.
It's however not perfect because the government doesn't have access to your medical records (which is good). But that means you have to be honest on a form about your disabilities. Plus the doctor visit is not covered by insurance and costs around 200 euros.
Plus if you already have your licence there isn't really a system in place to prevent you for driving if your health declines.
There's a big difference between a danger that is tangible and immediate, such as a collision with another vehicle, and something that cannot be seen or interacted with, like electricity or a virus.
There's nothing about this that tells me this person can't drive safely.
If you're a crazy enough that this makes sense, I don't think you should be driving a vehicle even if you're technically capable of doing so. At least not until you get diagnosed and treated.
I know this is a shitposting sub but this is the exact kind of comment I'm pushing back against. No, I do not deserve to lose my driving privileges because I believe that people with paranoid delusions may be safe to drive.
What's the alternative? Locking up people who haven't committed a crime if a doctor doesn't like what they're saying? This guy probably is schizophrenic but plenty of conspiracy theorists aren't and people saying something true but unpopular sometimes sound like conspiracy theorists.
I said we shouldn't let them drive a car, not lock them in prison. Calm down.
Ideally we would provide people like this with mental healthcare, and get them medicated so that they actually can operate a vehicle without being an inherent risk to everyone around them.
My point is that, in America, you can basically be screaming "I am extremely unwell to the point of being an elevated risk to myself and everyone around me", and our usual response is to act like everything is normal and nothing should be done.
I don't think this guy would take any pills you tried to give him unless you literally forced them down his throat. (They're created with computer too.)
(They’re created with computer too.)
I've got bad news for him regarding how modern pickup trucks work.
One of those signs says please spread this on the Internet. Person has a grasp on that, so it seems to me they're basically accepting the "risk" to spread the "truth".
I'm no expert on automobiles, but that truck would need to be 40+ years old to have no computers onboard. It doesn't look that old to me, though maybe he just kept it in good shape.
It's honestly hard to tell, because even a brand new equivalent vehicle would look very similar from the side. Pickup trucks haven't changed visually much over the years.
Again, my point is that we need to stop coming up with excuses for doing nothing, but go ahead and list another excuse.
Mental healthcare is currently unavailable as we wait for a replacement part that is on backorder. In the meantime, please accept these sign boards and this extra large sharpie for the inconvenience.
I think art therapy would work better than medication in this case.
(Also, taking away someone's driver license is tantamount to imprisonment in modern America.)
take videos and photos of this truck and spread it on the Internet
This dude is giving mixed messages.
Always remember that you are educated stupid and that there are 4 simultaneous 24 hour days, and you should be fine.
if you are addicted to cat and dog you have a nano chip on your body
so thats what's causing it
Okay but the real question is, can these nano chips run DOOM? Where can I find out how to jailbreak these bad boys?
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I like that this person ran out of space so decided to create more space by tacking more material on the top of the car.
Why does this read like english is this persons 2nd language, but look like it was made by someone for whom english is infact their 1st language?
At my high school a noticable number of students could barely read. They got passed through from a combination of parents trying to fire people if their kid is held back and teachers who either didn't care or couldn't spend the one on one time to help the kid. There was no functional system in place at my school to help kids who were borderline illiterate
Depending where this is, between that and possible mental health stuff English could be their first language
It's tragic because a lot of these people aren't just missing competent literacy but all the skills required to understand the world around them, and even worse often those ways of understanding have been replaced with religious nonsense by the people that raised them.
Imagine trying to make sense of the world when you think scientists work like preachers and prophets simply saying whatever feels right or suits the moment.
Imagine having to extend you car with plates at the top, because there is not enough room for you psychotic scribbles. Then leaving a shit ton of white space at the bottom.
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I don’t know if I should feel happy or sad because there seem to be other devs dreaming the same retirement dream.
I love computers, they are consistent and literal and logical. Can't say the same for most people.
By "forgot his meds" you mean "forgot to go to the doctor 30 years ago to get diagnosed so he could be prescribed them in the first place," right?
Not at all, people believe in magic sky faires and put stickers on their car about it... Hell lots of cop cars abs court rooms have nonsense about said sky fairy on it. In bobo we trust .. Aside from scale, there's no real difference.
i really wish we had a more robust mental healthcare system that could help people like this before they get to this point.
It's really hard to reliably treat schizophrenics since they often don't want to be treated. I don't expect that this guy would take any pills without being forced to. (And then the medication isn't perfect.)
"Everything that you think about who you are is in fact the result of a mental defect. But, if you take these pills we can make you a different person" is the toughest sell in the world. And the psychiatric community needs to wise up to that fact.
I'd bet money it's scitsophrenia, so no this person has no idea how crazy they look. They're just doing their part to fight back against whatever the hell they think is happening.
That's why people still need huge cars. So that you can write all of your nutjob theories on it.