https://www.npr.org/2023/07/18/1188280401/trump-jan-6-letter
Edit: please pay attention to the first two words of this headline. We don't actually know if Trump received a target letter, he could be lying out of his ass to mess with the investigation.
He absolutely should be, but that was painfully obvious a long time ago at this point and he hasn't been indicted yet. Hopefully the DOJ actually does it's job and stops giving criminal Republicans passes, but I won't believe it until they actually do it.
Oh fuck, are we going to get a bunch of articles to the effect of "We really got him this time!" every day until the end of time? Felt like spam on reddit, rather not see this shit until he's actively being thrown in jail.
Only two and a half Years late. Way to go Garland. No chance this will bite us in the ass. /s
trump can't keep his mouth closed.
So if it's too early for the government to make a statement, trump will usually start talking about it even tho he doesn't have to
Right, and when he opens his mouth it's often completely false. Like when he claimed he was going to be arrested by the end of day and NY police said no such thing was happening.
So again, why are we believing him as a primary source?
Because he said it...
And because reporting on it drives views to the website?
Like, do you honestly not understand why an article was written about it?
No one is "believing" him, the article doesn't say it's true, just that trump is saying it is.
I don't see what saying that to me is going to accomplish..
If anything, it does the opposite by making this post more visible, which drives more clicks to the website, and makes the website write more about what trump says
So if you really want to do something about it, don't reply.
Sorry, but whether we like it or not, the guy is still the leading GOP candidate for President and de-facto leader of the party. What he says could influence the nation's future. So yeah, it is newsworthy.
Because prosecutors and judges are too scared of him to throw the gag order at him he's earned a dozen times over with all the threats he's made and violence that's happened around him and more reliable sources are refusing to make any comments or give an off the record confirmation or denial, so he's the only source of information we have about this. It's an extremely frustrating situation.
I think there’s also an element of not doing gag orders on him unless vital as he’d likely break them anyway and use any enforcement action as a call to action to his supporters to say that he’s being ‘silenced by the Biden administration’ and fuel the very fires that lead to things like Jan 6th.
He does also do a very good job in giving prosecutors evidence against him when they just let him talk.
I think there’s also an element of not doing gag orders on him unless vital as he’d likely break them anyway
Imagine if we handled bank robberies this way, "Oh, they're just gonna keep trying to take the money, you should just give it to them"
use any enforcement action as a call to action to his supporters
He's already been issuing that call since before he was indicted. The obvious answer is to throw him in a jail cell and limit his communications to just his attorneys. We do this to suspected criminals every day and it's absolutely warranted here.
Also, he should draw a charge for intimidating witnesses for all of this.
He does also do a very good job in giving prosecutors evidence against him when they just let him talk.
I guess we just have to hope that evidence isn't the dead body of some poor person Trump convinces one of his idiot followers to kill, huh?
e; me bad at make words sound good and stuff
I didn’t say I agreed with the no gag order tactics. Just speculating why. I agree with you wholeheartedly on the dangers of letting him sling his angry mob at people.
If the investigator thinks the suspect will rush to social media to further implicate themself, yes.
No.
She is on the Southern District of Florida, and the crimes of January 6 did not take place in Florida.
Well the stolen documents were taken from DC, and yet the case was brought before the Florida Southern District Court, so why not give the stolen documents case to a DC circuit? Not trying to argue, just trying to make sense of it.
Those charges aren't really about taking documents. They are about refusing to return them, lying about whether they had all been returned, and possibly showing them to unauthorized individuals. The documents were in Mar-a-lago when this was going on.
The taking of the documents is the least important of the charges. In fact, they didn’t charge him with taking documents. They charged him under the espionage act where he hid defense secrets, obstructed, lied, and conspired, shared those secrets, after numerous attempts by the authorities to retrieve them. And that all took place in Florida. Had they charged him in DC it would have delayed* the trial. The venue was a calculated decision of time vs judge/jury pool.
There’s also a good chance he’ll be charged in NJ for separate crimes regarding those documents since some of them were moved there. Separate case though.
Exactly. And so if anyone ever asks "Why weren't Biden or Pence indicted?", you'll know the answer. They didn't lie about their documents and they didn't get in the way when the government took them back.
In case anyone is wondering, "Why was nobody charged for taking them?", the answer is probably intent. Trump, Biden, and Pence could all claim that they weren't responsible for removing the documents. But of those three, only one of them is on tape saying something like, "Yeah, I've still got these secret documents that I probably should have given back". He's the one they indicted.
But held in Florida.
And many of the secondary crimes were also held there.
Rememeber, he’s not being charged with taking them. He’s being charged with keeping them and refusing tk give them back, and storing them improperly
Newsworthy because this means an indictment decision is near. We already knew he was a potential person of interest, that is why the Special Counsel got appointed in the first place.
No, newsworthy because Trump is using his public profile to mess with this investigation again. We have no way of knowing whether or not he actually received a target letter because he lies about things constantly and could be lying about this as well.
I have a pet theory that he knows it’s in the future but not as imminent as he suggests (like the docs case) but if he says it’s imminent now he can spin yarns about their case being in tatters and delays being due to mistakes, etc like he tried to spin for the docs case.
It’s all about the optics to his base.
I think that sounds plausible, at least. If there's anything that Trump knows how to do, it's how to work a crowd
I just don't see a real motive for that 3D chess move stuff. Last time he said he got a target letter it was because he did, and he got indicted a week or two later. Simplest explanation is that he's trying to deflate the power of the coming indictment by making it no longer a surprise.
Personally I'd be shocked if he lied about something that made him look so bad from every angle. There's no rhetorical advantage he gets from being indicted 3 times that he wouldn't get from 2. You're saying it would "mess with the investigation" but the people directly involved in the investigation are exactly the people who know the truth of the matter, it's the public he's interfacing with here.