https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4730279-supreme-court-immunity-trump-case/
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We're watching US democracy dying right before our eyes.
If Biden and the Democrats had any mental coherency and a spine they'd be using this ruling to their advantage and fuck over conservatives before conservatives get into office to kill democracy and the opposition parties.
I wish. I saw the debate. His people might do some shit on his behalf, but Joe's mind has gone. I wouldn't want him managing a Denny's. I doubt he's been calling the shots himself for months.
Naw joe won the debate. Who gives a shit if he talked like an 81 year old tired granddad. People who didnt watch the whole 90 minute debate dont get a say on it. You're just as bad as maga idiots repeating media drivel.
I know what early dementia looks like. I've watched it happen to more than one of my close family members. Be as left leaning as you want to be, but don't bury your head in the sand over something as obvious as night and day. Neither one of those guys should be running the country. Not in their best years, and sure as hell not now.
"He is sick"
Bullshit, that's how dementia works - first you have bad days, then you only have good days left, then... it's just days.
I am no doctor, but I do worry about what I see, as someone who has eyes? 👀
This will not happen. Democrats are fucking pussies and I keep voting for their pussy asses even though they don’t do anything.
If they were as freaked out by the democratic agenda as they say they are, they would never have made this ruling. It really shows that there is nothing to fear from the democrats.
Gotta elect that string of dictators disinclined from exercising their powers 🤷
Fuck this is so bad.
Democrats aren’t pussies. Democrats are another arm of the ruling class (aka the 0.1%). There’s a reason they act inept on these things. It makes for good theater which people eat up, but it’s all for the rich. That’s the biggest reason they’ve been remiss to move to the left. The only ones fighting for us are ones that are considered “progressive”, which are greatly in the minority. Once you realize this, a lot more of the democratic leadership actions (or lack thereof), makes sense.
Bastille Day is next weekend. I think that’s enough time to order and assemble a guillotine. IKEA has those, right?
So, the United States is no longer a democracy. If a president wants to remain in power despite losing an election, they can, as long as they get the right people behind them, which is how every dictatorship works. What makes democracies different is that they have laws to stop that, and the supreme court just ruled those don't apply to the president. There is no mechanism to stop them. You can say impeachment, but the results of an impeachment against the president are as much of a foregone conclusion as a North Korean election. The trappings of democracy does not unmake a dictatorship.
We're no longer a democracy, and the only way we can ever return to being one is if we elect a string of dictators who feel disinclined to push their power as far as it can go. If we can do that long enough to get this decision overturned, we can have our democracy back.
The U.S. Constitution includes several provisions that limit the powers of the president and prevent the president from committing crimes without consequences:
Article I, Section 2 and Section 3: These sections provide the House of Representatives the power to impeach the president and the Senate the power to try and convict the president. Impeachment is a process by which the president can be removed from office for committing "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." Article II, Section 4: This section specifically states that the president, vice president, and all civil officers of the United States can be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
Article II, Section 1, Clause 8: The president must take an oath of office to "faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." This oath implies a legal and ethical obligation to adhere to the law and Constitution.
Checks and Balances: The Constitution establishes a system of checks and balances, whereby the legislative and judicial branches can limit the actions of the executive branch. Congress can pass laws, override presidential vetoes, and control the budget, while the judiciary can review the constitutionality of presidential actions through judicial review.
Together, these provisions and principles ensure that the president is subject to the rule of law and can be held accountable for criminal actions.
Meh, not really. Control 51 seats in the Senate and a majority of the supreme Court and you can do pretty much whatever the fuck you want to as president. We have not yet found the boundary where a president will be held accountable under those conditions.
Just going to point out that the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to the constitution are all specificying that the citizenship are the final check to keep the government in balance.
This is why this election is so important. I know it's said in every election but this one may be the last free* election.
That * is there because I know that Republicans have made inroads in red states, with many secretaries of state either vowing to not verify a Biden win or not affirming that they will certify the election.
Please, for the love of democracy and our Republic, consider volunteering as an election official or as an observer.
Not just the next election, either. We can't afford to have a Republican president again until this has been overturned, or the party has undergone a radical reform
"This is the most important election of our lifetime" is gonna be true for every election until the GOP stops using any power they can get to inoculate themselves from voters.
I came to realize this sometime around April of 22, I kinda had a complete mental breakdown, as in I quit my job and tried something crazy career wise because it gave me a feeling of control over my life again. I landed on my feet but that’s not the point. The point is that we are now locked into an ever repeating cycle of stopping the fascists. Which means it will be decades, until after all the ancient occupiers of power have passed. But by the time that comes I don’t even know what the world will look like, we need a general stirke
The whole process could be foreshortened by rapidly shrinking the count of filled seats on SCOTUS. Make it dangerous to be a conservative on the bench and see how many fuckwits still decide it is a career move they see as valid.
Is it an official act to order drone strikes on over half of the supreme court? Nobody knows! Sounds like a case for the remaining justices to figure out.
We’re no longer a democracy, and the only way we can ever return to being one is if we elect a string of dictators who feel disinclined to push their power as far as it can go
The right to bear arms is provided to protect yourself from tyranny, both foreign and domestic. Less than 250 years ago we gave Great Britain the finger.
One thing I admire about the French is their ability to remind those in power who they should be working for, forcibly.
The notion that a civilian militia could plausibly overcome the US military was outdated over 100 years ago. The only viable path toward a violent revolution in the United States is getting all or most of the military on board.
It'll be parts of the military versus other parts of the military, and both sides arming guerilla fighters.
I haven’t considered a militia. I figure a lone gunman could do a considerable amount of damage, assuming they had good timing and were a decent enough shot.
Navy SEAL Chris Kyle has 160 confirmed kills as a sniper. There are only 100 members of senate and 9 in the Supreme Court.
Searching for Al Quesadilla and led by Admiral Snackbar, their mission is to combat hypertension.
How can Thomas say both anything a president says to the DOJ is an immune official act AND ALSO SAY that Jack Smith is not legitimate?
It seems Biden has carte Blanche to sic the FBI/CIA/DOJ/ST6 on Trump. His very life may depend on wielding this power. Thanks everyone.
Because he doesn't care to maintain the pretense of justice. He and Scalia are tired of pretending and want to start on the outright fascism.
Seems simple enough...
Biden's actions on the Southern border are official acts, he has immunity.
Trump's actions leading to 1/6 are not official acts, no immunity.
According to you, a person thinking logically and operating in good faith. All an authoritarian needs now is the judge, who can be appointed by the authoritarian themselveswith little oversight, to say whatever they want to do is an official act. We have an irrefutable king again in other words
This reminds me of another circular argument: Anything the president does can be considered "acting presidential" simply because they're president. You might've thought that shitposting on twitter was unbecoming of a world leader, but once a president does it, it's okay for a president to do.
An argument to protect a fool from public criticism now doubles as a defense against legal action.
That's theoretically the structure here. The case gets sent back for the first judge to decide what acts were official, time passes, they say none of them were, an appeal happens, time passes, the appeals court agrees, an appeal happens, time passes, Trump is president so the question is moot. Or they decide they were all official to kiss the ring. Far right cabal rule America indefinitely.
The key thing they needed to do was introduce a new question to the original court. Outright declaring it all immune might cause riots and electoral consequences, but saying "it might be immune" means idiots will still think the engine of justice is moving along enough for the consequences both for Trump, the justices, and the larger fascist team to be irrelevant.
Outraged enough yet? No?
Expect a LOT more of this if you keep urging people to not vote this year. Because this is a tase of what’s to come.
Sounds like Richard Nixon would have had very little to worry about had this Court been around fifty years ago.
Which brings us to Trump....
Biden should dissolve the supreme court and re-appoint the 9 most activist judges possible.
They made this bed, make them sleep in it.
I hope you can appreciate that this would be the move of a tyrant. You don't dissolve the cornerstone of law and order without actually destroying the foundation.
No matter how corrupt, this would be unconscionable.
Unconscionable, yes. Necessary, most likely. There are times when someone must wear the mantle of villain in order to be the hero who can actually do what is needed.
Also, the unconscionability of the act does squarely depend on one's philosophical definition of "justice". The conscionability of any decision is predicated on how one values the world around them. Personally, I lean towards a form of altruistic utilitarianism. As long as an act does not genuinely do harm, and it is for the benefit of the majority of people, it is good. If an act is harmful to some, but benefits the whole, it is justifiable. If an act harms many, but benefits few, it is unconscionable.
As for what OP said, I believe he mispoke or misunderstood the ramifications of the word "dissolve" in this context. What he described is not a dissolution of SCOTUS, but a forced full reset. Dissolution would be to eliminate it as one of the 3 federal houses of government, leaving only the Presidency and Congress to govern. Removing all members and pursuing filling the seats as the constitution dictates would not dissolve SCOTUS. It would be the same resultant event sequence if something happened and all of the justices died simultaneously. All sitting justicesl being replaced by the Democratic process of the country would be fine, and indeed, would be a good thing. As much as I love Sotomayor and Kagen, removing them would be necessary for it to not be a political action, but one which recognizes that the body is no longer able to do its sworn duty in its current state and it needs replaced.
You're right, but what is the solution?
The cornerstone of law and order destroying democracy, that can't stand.
“When he uses his official powers in any way, under the majority’s reasoning, he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution,” Sotomayor wrote Monday in dissent.
“Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune,” she continued. “Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune.”
This is so bizarre. It's just blatantly partisan & corrupt.
"take a gratuity after dismissing a case? Immune"
It's really been a 1-2 punch of "fuck you, citizens"
United States of America on July 1, 2024 ceased to be a democratic republic representative of its citizens.
Someone needs to do Project 2029 figuring out all the most effective ways to abuse all of this bullshit. We need to detail how to define fascists as enemies of the state under their own rules. Figure out how to use their rules to place the nuts of every landleech in a vice and spin the wheel like we are on the Price is Right. We need to put every religious tenent on the walls of every school, starting with the Satanic Temple. Just point for point find the abuses in their entire plan, then we all make sure to kick as many of them out of congress and state and local governments as possible and start going ham on flipping every abuse like we are Jesus chasing lenders from the temple.
FFS, Presidents have ALWAYS been shielded by official acts. The real issue here today is the 6 months of delay they handed to trump.
Biden needs to order the execution of Trump.
It will be the only way to make the MAGA people understand.
No, he would become a martyr which would only strengthen the resolve of the MAGA people
The 3 who voted against were also part of the decision makingjgroup. What blows my mind is, that decisions like these are left to be decided by so few
And while their dissents were blistering and explicit, this ruling warrants more extreme actions. They should have be in the senate right now ringing all the alarm bells and calling the ruling and the court illegitimate. This is an "end of democracy" ruling.