https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/18/hundreds-of-hajj-pilgrims-die-in-mecca-from-heat-related-illness
At least 320 of the dead are from Egypt and Saudi officials report treating more than 2,000 people for heat stress
Kind of yes. Since Hajj brings 2-3 million people together, it was a minor crowd crush.
The major crowd crushes have resulted in deaths in double or even triple digits (in 2015).
Saudi Government has largely streamlined the movement of pilgrims, so I don't know where this crowd crush happened.
That said, I totally blame the government for inadequate response to the heat wave. While the article shares that the authorities distributed water and ice cream, it didn't help much in peak times. When I (a pilgrim) was returning on Jun 17, the crowd was barely moving and I could not reach the water at all since it was on the right end of the road, and I was on left, from where it's borderline impossible to move to the right without putting your life at risk.
Plus, I don't know who got the ice creams as I didn't see any.
I understand it is relative, but I personally would class any deaths as a major incident.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
“All of them [the Egyptians] died because of heat” except for one who sustained fatal injuries during a minor crowd crush, one of the diplomats said, adding that the total figure came from the hospital morgue in the Al-Muaisem neighbourhood of Mecca.
Earlier on Tuesday, Egypt’s foreign ministry said Cairo was collaborating with Saudi authorities on search operations for Egyptians who had gone missing during the hajj.
The pilgrimage is increasingly affected by climate breakdown, according to a Saudi study published last month that said temperatures in the area where rituals are performed were rising 0.4C (0.72F) each decade.
AFP journalists in Mina, outside Mecca, on Monday saw pilgrims pouring bottles of water over their heads as volunteers handed out cold drinks and fast-melting chocolate ice-cream to help them keep cool.
Saudi officials had advised pilgrims to use umbrellas, drink plenty of water and avoid exposure to the sun during the hottest hours of the day.
Hosting the hajj is a source of prestige for the Saudi royal family, and King Salman’s title includes “Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques” in the cities of Mecca and Medina.
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550 people just died and your only response is to mock their religion.
What kind of person are you? Have you no decency?
If this had been an outdoor rock concert, would you start mocking their taste in music?
People at a rock concert wouldn't feel obliged to stay and would be able to leave without guilt or fear.
I don't understand why they didn't have anything set up to accommodate the Pilgrims to cool them off or maybe restrict access to a limited number of people to allow them to be spaced out enough to have some breathing room.
I know if a tragic event, but god damn religion is stupid. All religions. Even those that encourage monks to starve themselves or suffer for enlightenment. As an atheist this all makes no fucking sense.
and would be able to leave without guilt or fear.
People can leave hajj at any time and come back later. They won't miss anything.
It's not an endurance event.
Even those that encourage monks to starve themselves
What religion do you think you're talking about here? Catholic monks don't starve themselves, and neither do Buddhist monks.
I don't think there's any religion that's like that. I feel like you're attacking a straw man.
Edit: Are you getting confused with the story of how the Buddha, pre-enlightenment, tried starving himself, and then taught that monks shouldn't do that?
As an atheist this all makes no fucking sense.
Maybe it makes no sense because you just made it up.
You need to chill.
I didn't make anything up. There are people in South Asia that do these things to gain enlightenment. I do believe they are Buddhists but I may be mistaken.
Or mayby probably didn't get the memo.
I didn't make anything up. There are people in South Asia that do these things to gain enlightenment.
Your claim was that there are religions that encourage monks to starve themselves.
Now you're backtracking.
I'm with ya on hating every aspect of religion, but you may be mistaking fasting for starving. The human body can survive long periods without food with no ill effects
I've fasted for 12 days before.
Maybe focus on the stupid shit like aan surviving being eaten by a "fish". Or a guy building a wooden boat and getting every species of animal aboard.
No, most atheists I know IRL are quite decent people.
This is about you specifically.
TIL rock music is homophobic, oppresses women, has some pretty barbaric rules and validates murdering anyone else not listening to rock music.
and validates murdering anyone else not listening to rock music.
Islam doesn't say that Muslims are allowed to murder non-Muslims.
The problem here is climate change, not Islam.
Edit: This will be happening in more and more places as time goes by.
for the sake a 2000 year old fictional story
Islam is 1400 years old. You're thinking of Christianity.
I have been mistaken for someone who cares when a religion was actually founded.
I'm pointing out that you're a person who doesn't know the basics of a belief system you're criticising.
Hajj is obligatory once in a lifetime for people who are able to make the journey.
For people who are able to afford air travel, I doubt that one international trip per lifetime is going to make a significant difference in their carbon emissions.
The only basic fact that matters is that IT'S FICTIONAL.
Getting details wrong is irrelevant when the very core of the citicism is that ALL OF IT IS FICTIONAL.
Your improv cue was "you're a grade school student throwing a tantrum when someone points out major factual errors in your book review of Alice in Wonderland"
You can't prove that. That's just your belief.
If you get angry because other people have different beliefs from you, then what does that make you?
I'd say it makes you the equivalent of a religious zealot.
In case your crude attempt at trolling inspires anyone else to wonder how much the climate in Arabia actually has changed, here's a link: https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/5207/
I'm just wondering if the mods are sleeping or if they think Islamophobia is acceptable.
Firstly, you don't know what phobia means. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/phobia#Noun
Secondly, if 550 people die and your instinct is to insult their religion, then no, I don't think that's acceptable at all.
I'm starting to have a bad feeling about this sub. I just noticed that one of the mods deletes all their comments after one day.