I think you actually want {🐸}∪{🐘}⊂{🐂} because ∪ is union and ∩ is intersection. There are no frogs that are also elephants so the set would be empty and thus couldn't contain any bulls. 😔
Aktshually, the empty set is a subset of any other set 🤓
But also, the fact that frogs and elephants are disjunct is conjecture at this point
There are elephants, non-elephants, and undetermined elephants.
This comment was made by the intuitionistic and/or fuzzy logic gang.
Technically the existance of non-binaries also makes the binaries no longer binaries (due to increased optionality), so it would be fair to say everyone is non-binary
That's not how that works. If there isn't a binary (because there isn't just 2 options) then this would be a non-binary system and so everyone would be non-binary.
That's just like Hangul, but for computer numbers.
Once you're quite good at reading hexadecimals, you no longer need to look up binary, though you still need decimal-hexadecimal conversion, which is slower.
In that case decimal is flawed too, 0.6667 or any such approxination doesnt exactly equal 2/3. It technically happens in any number system where you are dividing by a prime that isnt part of either the base or the number being divided
Counterpoint 1: 0.6̇
(Unicode does not support numbers with overdots correctly)
Counterpoint 2: 2/3
It won't work with irrational numbers, or transcendental numbers even if you allow things like √2.
But honestly I have no idea what the point of this conversation even is
Counter-counterpoint:
Display the exact value of pi with 64 digits in any base N number system.
You joke but in astronomy there are only three elements. Hydrogen, helium, and metal. Which is just every other element together in one group.
Define "all the other numbers". Do we include only natural numbers? Or all instegers? Or even rational numbers? Do we include imaginary numbers? How about complex numbers? Orbetter go for quaternions?
Feel like there's a Set Theory issue with this but I barely understand what little I can remember about it.
Does the gender of all non-self-containing genders contain itself? This is the fundamental question of gender theory.
A bit can have two states: true
or false
. Additionally, the bit can be disabled altogether (null
).
There are non-binary people who still believe genders can suit others, and even be played with as forms of role play ...and there are also examples of null states, such as nullos and asexuals...
...so non-binary doesn't necessarily make a new binary if they still believe gender is fine for others, or as a role play.
A better way to think about it might be as a gender spectrum or quadratic continuum of varied characteristics and overlapping body forms and sexual preferences/behaviour.
...queer.
Asexuality isn't a gender. We’re just not attracted to people of any gender. Our gender identity is separate.
And don't talk to me. I'd rather be surrounded by twelve "women" (i.e. trans men) in the men's room (or even just women) than one cis guy who insists on having a conversation with me.
I'm not there to make friends.
Never understood this. Standing at a urinal and someone walks up and starts talking to me, like no dude shut up
I've had people doing it when I'm in the stall next to them. Leave me alone with my thoughts while I'm shitting, please.
If there already exists "a binary" then that says there are 2 states. "Non-binary" only means there are not-two-states. This could be unary (there is one kind of thing), trinary (there are now 3 things, the old 2 and new, secret 3rd thing), or really any n-ary set of n distinctly numbered things, so long as there aren't only exactly 2 of them.
“Non-binary” only means there are not-two-states.
The state of having two states and the state of not-having-two-states is itself a two-state solution.
Unfortunately, once you rule out non-binary as a third state, you collapse back into the original binary state. Thus, non-binary exists as a quantum superposition between states, as we fluctuate between whether or not being non-binary is politically correct.
Going to the UN to propose my Quantum Superposition Solution to Violence in the Middle East.
We put a large box over the middle east and left a vial of radioactive material in there.
Now either Israel ignored it and freaked out about the box like everyone else or they immediately used it to make bombs and eradicate their neighbors out of view.
Schrodinger's Palestine.
Touché! Maybe we need a UN state shoved in beside the west bank to help keep an eye on things?
But nobody is in the state of having two states, though. People range from being in one state to "it's complicated", but how would you be in exactly two states?
I want to upvote the OP for presenting an interesting discussion but downvote them for being wrong. This presents a case for a non-binary voting option.
A singular like button would still only express one portion of my sentiment. A third option could be many things, none are sufficient: a none or 0 or neutral option is effectively not voting, a sideways arrow or maybe state, or mixed state would express indecision or indeterminism rather than mixed feelings.
Therefore, I propose that a second positive-negative axis is required. The addition of these "sideways" arrows allow expressing 2 kinds of sentiment: towards the post content, and towards the poster themselves. I will not specify whether left or right is positive nor will i clarify which axis (x or y) corresponds to which kind of sentiment. I'm sure this undefined behavior will cause no problems.
Here is your composite vote in the new system: ↖️
The choice between a traditional up-down vote and a new non-up-down vote must have been a tough one.
I'm considering identifying as unary now. God only made one gender and "male and female" are mental illnesses caused by the original sin 😔
Nono you misunderstand. It's not "non-binary".
I'm calling myself enby, which is short for ein bisschen gay.
Platypussoe ruin SO many assumptions, such as
Clearly all of those assumptions are wrong!
Black and white thinking got me here, sure it'll get me out, too
One day aliens are going to meet us and wonder what happened in our evolution that made us biased towards seeing every noun in groups of two, except for rules of nouns which are in groups of three.
Male-female, darkness-light, plant-animal, ying-yang, mind-body, earth-heaven, spiritual-physical, prime-composite, even-odd
3 laws of motion, thermo, robotics, of dielect, and Trinity assignment.
Something strange about us that it is easier to think of opposites but following 3 rules.
Most of these groups are simply "A" and "Everything not A". Either a number is odd or it is even. Either a place is lit up or it is dark.
That being said there are also some cases in there where there is more than just two categories (like male-female or plant-animal) but we, for the most part, only think about the most important / biggest ones.
All of this probably comes down to the fact that in order to make sense of the world or brain constantly tries to put things into categories to quickly assess what something is or isn't. And it makes sense that the easiest way to categorize things is by just going "Is this A or B"?
That's every binary, though. False are everything that's not true. Ones are everything that's not zero.
Sure it makes a degree of sense. It is just easier to look at things that way, less cognitive load. It just didn't have to be that way. We could have liked putting categories in groups of three.
That's a fun thing to point out. The rules of 3 especially so, but it's also using specific examples and lacking to see the complexity of of our ability to communicate and all the other words we have.
Androgynous, tomboy, femboy / twilight, murky, dim / fungus / Ying -Yang is cheating / spirit, form, will / limbo, underworld, cosmos, time / etc...
And even in rules, in Buddhism you have the 8 fold path, the 10 commandments, heck the 613 laws of God in Judaism.
Just don't be going all "The Number 23" on us just cause it's easy to find solution confirming biases in common numbers.
Sure there are counter examples. As for Buddhism he had the three great truths: no soul, no plan, everything dies.
They really should be called genres or noun class as outside of Europe they really aren't tied to gender and can have way more different cases than just two or three.
We've actually got 3 genders, but outside Flanders, people don't seem to know the distinction anymore. The darn Dutch ruined Dutch!
I had no idea this was another thing Flanders did differently than the Netherlands (and pretty much every other "Netherlandophone" area)
The gender is there but I said it so fast you can't tell the difference anyway so let's just call it a short form
-russian
"We don't need articles, but we have a fuck ton of grammatical genders"
Says the same country that also fears non-binary gender identities, that's actually kinda ironic
Error: Math.round() failed - 'gender' is not a single value but a multi-dimensional spectrum! Use Math.matrixRound() instead, where each value is rounded individually. Note: Rounding 'gender' to a single value is deprecated and not supported in modern libraries.
"Troll logic" is one of my favorite memes.
Exactly like being hit by lightning at any instant has a 50% risk because either it happens or it doesn't.
Yes, but the probabilities (for the lightning) are not independent. So, while everyday there is a 50% chance to be hit be lightning, it's the same outcome every day. If you didn't get hit by lightning yesterday, you probably won't today either.
I always think there is a we vs them vibe in the non-binary thing which is kind of toxic
That's so sad to me. From my POV being non-binary isn't aggressive. It's just that there are more important things to worry about than gender.
I think it's just the term. "Binary" isn't exactly neutral as it can imply narrow minded. Also labelling non-X imply that everyone else is X which often includes too many people that are kind of in the middle / doesn't really care.
so what would you suggest people who do not want to be referred to as man or woman call themselves?
Blenders. Gender ephemeral. Intangibles. An even cooler fourth option, probably.
There are tons of cool names you could go with when your identity lies outside of preconceived boundaries (and pretty much transcends them). But, non-binary's pretty clinical-sounding, so I guess it's easier to work into a professional setting or something.
I just mean this whole premise. The idea that being nonbinary is its own binary. It's a categorically different comparison. The "binaries" OP sets up are a:b versus (a+b):c, when really it should be a+b+c+d etc.
The comment you were replying to wasn’t about the image in the op though. It was a discussion about someone not liking people who do not identify as man or woman referring to themselves as non-binary.
Also have you ever considered the fact that maybe you (or other people) don’t really care about gender labels because you were assigned as the gender you prefer? It seems a bit silly to criticise a group who currently faces a lot of discrimination based on their gender preference. Also are you aware that your argument is often used to discredit the experiences of and as a reason to discriminate against people who identify as non-binary?
It seems a bit silly to criticise a group ... based on their gender preference
Like, didn't I just say that it's the vibe of the word that I don't like? Therefore either
and not what you say at all IMO
yeah, that's understandable. i'd never thought about it that way before.
personally i use enby as a way to say that i am in the middle / don't really care.
i think the issue comes from the fact that saying non-binary means specifically non-{man,woman}. whereas i've always interpreted it as just non-"specific gender".
to me it's the etc. of gender labels, but i realise that not everyone that i think it describes would want to identify with it.
(and that means it becomes it's own label, and now we have to figure out what to call everyone_else
all over again. (maybe the whole idea of gender labels was rigged from the start))
I'm not sure what you are trying to say
They are asking you... You are asking them...
Where did this come from? Why am I grouped into some kind of hater group suddenly?
Language has changed ... silly to start a movement to rollback english to 1724
Ya and I was commenting on how I don't like the choose of word in this specific change. Why not use better words when you start to describe something new?
In addition, many were mutilated as newborns
This sounds like a horror story. What?
I always think there is a we vs them vibe in the non-binary thing which is kind of toxic
I dunno if there is much "we" inside the non-binary community. Like Non-binary is an umbrella term that encapsulates everything from a both/neither/almost but not quite binary/gender fluid betwixt multiple states/people who identify as trans non-binary, people who identify as non-trans non-binary/ cultural third genders/ political gender activists /DID people with alters that swap... There's a lot of different concepts and sometimes contradictory needs there.
Like people tend to just group non-binary people into a third category and don't really ask questions of individuals what their actual deal is. I blew a friend's mind recently when he introduced his enbyfriend to me and while we were out on a walk I asked "Apart from the umbrella non-binary term how do you conceptualize yourself?" because he had never thought to ask that question of either of us.