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Israel-Gaza war live: ICJ orders Israel to halt Rafah offensive in new ruling

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/may/24/israel-gaza-war-live-icj-rafah-benjamin-netanyahu-latest-live-news-updates?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with:block-665094b38f08ae2bcbf276f3#block-665094b38f08ae2bcbf276f3

The International Court of Justice says it is ‘not convinced’ that evacuation of Rafah and other measures by Israel are alleviating suffering of Palestinians

Israel-Gaza war live: ICJ orders Israel to halt Rafah offensive in new ruling

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cosmicrookie

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The court is the highest UN body for hearing disputes between states. Its rulings are final and binding but have been ignored in the past, reports Reuters. The court has no enforcement powers.

Viking_Hippie

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And that's by design by the Big 5.

Just like their veto power at the Security Council making sure that they don't even get to condemn atrocities officially.

maynarkh

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It's less of a court in the traditional sense, and more of an indicator and shaper of international sentiment.

cosmicrookie

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Still useless though. International sentiment was pretty clear even before this

maynarkh

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Was it? Look at Germany or the rest of the EU for example. It would make it much easier to argue for divestments and sanctions in parliaments if there was an active warrant against Bibi.

cosmicrookie

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I guess i meant civilian sentiment and not political sentiment. It seems like there is a gap between these, in this case

maynarkh

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I don't know how accurate it is, but I seem to see the Right Wing Cinematic Universe being on Israel's side internationally.

olafurp

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Yeah, it's definitely not going to be enforced but it's still breaking the Genocide Convention. It basically says that in the future Israel might not comply with international treaties if it doesn't feel like it. This makes them hard to work with as a country.

Then there is also bilateral actions such as sanctions as a tool to put pressure.

sik0fewl

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The pro-genociders aren't gonna like this.

nkat2112

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This is great news! Now let's act to stop genocide. I'm hoping...

#BDS

Mrkawfee

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I'm sure this will stop them. Israel has nothing but ~~contempt~~ respect for international law.

catloaf

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Or else what?

theacharnian

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Or else any last semblance of the rules-based international order is out the window.

arymandias

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It already was after Iraq, but now they dragged it upstairs to throw it out of the window again, just to make sure it’s really dead.

BeatTakeshi

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Aren't we well past this point already?

theacharnian

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There are still "semblances".

gravitas_deficiency

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Eh. The ICJ has zero enforcement authority, and is often very selectively ignored by tons of countries.

The result of this will be:

Israel: no.

ICJ:

Note that this is not a defense of Israel or an endorsement of the ongoing genocide they’re perpetrating. It’s merely a statement on how the ICJ is effectively toothless.

AmosBurton

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Its already disregarded in so many places that trying to be firm in this instance is completely transparent.

SkyezOpen

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Tryptaminev

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Genocide Joe will be continued to be voted for and praised by Americans who call themselves "progressive", "liberal" or believe they have any "values" while politically approving of genocide.

The sad truth is that the court has no means to enforce its rulings. It relies on governments to be lawful and responsible and on people to demand that of their governments. However the majority of people in countries that still support the genocide are either themselves pro genocide or believe that genocide is in any way acceptable.

Future generations will look at our generation and consider us in the same category as the German Nazis, their supporters and those ignorant of their crimes.

mierdabird

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Progressives clearly are not happy with Biden about his Israel stance so claiming progressives support genocide is clearly rage bait nonsense. He is absolutely not doing a good job reining Israel in, but what exactly do you expect progressives to do? Vote for Trump? Not vote at all? Either way the result would be much worse genocide.

juicy

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Who cares what's in their heart? It's their actions that matter.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod

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I hate Biden and hate that I have to vote for him. Future generations are definitely going to hate us.

xmunk

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That's our burden for failing to put pressure on primarying him - we should do better next time.

At this point voting for Biden is, however, the only responsible action.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod

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Except we primary him and we either lose and get blamed for when he loses, or watch our progressive challenger lose because the rest of the country hates him.

America isn't nearly as progressive as us Internet weirdos think it is.

fuckingkangaroos

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Lots of pipe dreams on Lemmy, it's kind of sad to see people so disconnected from reality.

Dasus

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It's not "pipe dreams" as much as it is "complete fantasy purposefully peddled by actual Russian misinformation actors".

Literally.

Check out for instance @archcomrade [he/him] @midwest.social

I even got banned there for pointing out how clearly he's an actual Russian troll. He doesn't even deny it and you can see he isn't American, yet literally all he does is post "don't vote biden".

This juicy guy isn't much different

fuckingkangaroos

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I agree 100%, glad you see it too. Hopefully we can help spread awareness because the US government seems to be flat-footed.

I find it helpful to tag shills so I can easily recognize them later.

Viking_Hippie

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Genocide Joe will be continued to be voted for

No, that's actually the main problem other than the genocide itself: his stubborn insistence on actively contributing to the genocide is making it more and more likely that he's going to lose to a fascist who'll continue doing that AND be worse about just about everything else.

TokenBoomer

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Maybe it’s time to stop “just following orders.”

Maggoty

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Oh careful. I've been having comments removed for suggesting we stop voting for Democrats.

TokenBoomer

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Judging from Biden’s poll numbers and approval rating, it’s Joever. He’s lost too many voters that will not return. So, vote for him if you want, I intend to. But I don’t think it matters.

blunderworld

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If you're American, can I ask who you plan to vote for instead? The way I see it, there isn't really a preferable option.

xmunk

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Well there's the guy with brain rot... or the guy with literal brain rot from a worm. They're both obviously better for Palestinians. /s

fuckingkangaroos

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Netanyahu named a community after Trump and these "genocide Joe" idiots are going to get him elected again. It's exactly what Netanyahu wants.

Also what the Kremlin wants, if anyone is able to care about something other than the single issue anonymous social media accounts got them riled up about.

Tryptaminev

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Did you consider doing more than just voting? Like pushing the democrats to stop supporting genocide?

blunderworld

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Not really an answer...

Tryptaminev

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Because you are expecting a high school math exam to be solved with addition and substraction in the space between 1 and 10.

Voting in November alone is not going to solve anything. You need to apply pressure now. You need to go demonstrate, call your representatives, meet with them, demand them to end the genocide... And all of this only works if you can back up your demand by making clear that they need to work for your voice and they will not be handled it on a silver plate no matter what.

Bipta

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Anyone saying "genocide Joe" betrays their inability to think three feet in front of their face.

And I say this fully aware Israel is committing genocide and crimes against humanity.

mierdabird

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Maggoty

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Mr Biden tear down this alliance!

TheUncannyObserver

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Israel will ignore it, and their paid-for members of the US Congress will ensure that anyone who tries to hold Israel accountable is threatened into submission by the US military, a subsidiary of the IDF. Israel rules America, and America is the strongest nation on earth, whom nobody will seriously cross. Ergo, Israel rules the world.

Beetlejuice001

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Israeli rule will soon come to an end. They have become so brazen with their actions they have lost the support of the international community.

BDS

FlowVoid

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Plenty of people persevere without much support from the international community. Starting with Gazans, pre-invasion.

Beetlejuice001

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lol jfc that’s so weak.

FlowVoid

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Venezuela, Syria, Iran, North Korea, Russia, Belarus, Myanmar, and Afghanistan all "lost the support of the international community." Need more examples?

None of them "came to an end". That's just wishful thinking.

Beetlejuice001

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Obvious troll is obvious

FlowVoid

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If Israel comes to an end, you can come back here and say "I told you so".

FlowVoid

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You don't need to "rule the world" to ignore the ICJ.

Among others, Japan ignored an ICJ order to stop hunting protected whales and Russia ignored ICJ orders related to its invasion of Ukraine. Neither one needed help from the US.

Maggoty

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That's because nobody is going to fight a war over whales and Russia is Russia. Israel does not have that power level.

noxy

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nobody is going to fight a war over whales

Sea Shepherd would like a word

Maggoty

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Yeah, but didn't the international community decide they liked Japanese money more?

FlowVoid

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Nobody is going to start another war in Israel. The ICJ is a court of law, it does not authorize or even approve of violence.

Maggoty

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We don't need to. We just need to stop giving them military aid and sanction them until they send Netanyahu to the Hague willingly. There's more than just military action.

Felipefelop

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Maybe people should stop interfering in matters that don't concern them....hamas deserves to be eliminated from the face of the earth....if all these do gooders feel so strong about it the go over there...I can guarantee they'll welcome 🙏 with open bullets...it's not genocide if it's justified

jordanlund

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Removed, supporting genocide.

Akasazh

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The Germans thought it was justified too

2xar

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Stop trolling