https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2024/04/fox-news-is-now-claiming-that-young-people-are-identifying-as-seasons-they-made-it-up/
“My pronoun: spring. But I might transition to summer.”
I grew up with classmates named Autumn, April, and December (she went by DeeDee). I had a co-worker named June. I've known of kids named Summer, January, Augustus, and September. But none of them picked these names; it was the parents who identified them as months or seasons!
(And yes obviously the Fox story is beyond stupid)
“I feel more masculine in the summertime. I wear more masculine clothing, I wear shorts. I normally have my hair up more and I just feel more ‘boy’, whereas in the winter – for some reason – girl mode comes out and I’m loving skirts and dresses and having my hair down.”
This is from a video that the Fox story is about. Fox totally missed the point, I’m guessing intentionally so.
But can we talk about that statement for a second? (I’m leftist af and I strongly believe trans people should be able to do whatever the fuck they want, just like everybody else; this has nothing to do with that.) I’m having a hard time accepting this statement.
I would obviously never support the misogynistic belief that women should (only) wear skirts/dresses. But as it turns out, the idea that dresses and long hair are inherently feminine (or that shorts and short hair are inherently masculine) also makes me uncomfortable. I recognize that a lot of people see it that way, but I don’t think that makes it right, or a belief that should continue to propagate.
I’m a dude, and I hope to see a day where I can grow out my hair and wear a dress without people assuming it means anything about me beyond that I like dresses and long hair.
(Please let me know if this is insensitive and I will remove my comment. I’m not interested in starting an unproductive or hateful discussion here)
Are you responding to me, or just the story in general? I basically agree with you entirely and don't have much to add to what you just said.
Well, except that long hair and long skirt-like clothing items were worn by men for hundreds of years; look at almost any painting from the middle ages lol
This sounds like a person who’s non-binary and trying to explain it to someone who isn’t.
Unfortunately fox news doesn’t want to understand. They want to mock and bulky.
People working at Fox News are probably still taking/passing around Buzzfeed quizzes to find out which season they are
Why the fuck would people even have a problem with that? The lead poisoned generation which believes in jesus the crucified zombie telling everyone that THEY have a mental illness. I just wish conservatives would disappear.
Probably stumbled on a makeup tutorial and got confused hearing someone being called an "Autumn" or "Winter" and ran with it.
Summer and Autumn get used as girl’s names ~1,200 per million and ~2,000 per million per year since the 1970s or so. “Fall” is only about 3 per million, “Winter” takes off with Game of Thrones TV show around 2011 leading to 600 per million, but was in use since the 70s to the tune of about 70-100 per mil.
(source: babycenter, but I’m not linking that ad-riddled excuse for a website)
Parents have been identifying their kids as seasons for decades.
Don't forget all the kids named after months.
January Jones was a famous actress for a minute. November Kelly is a popular podcaster. April, May, and June are all common girl's names.
Parents have been identifying their kids as seasons for decades.
Try millennia. You can find people named after months and seasons going back to antiquity. Hell, many of the months/seasons themselves were originally the names of ancient mythological gods and heroes.
Also Julius and Augustus, give to two of the most important Romans to name months after themselves.
Welcome to my gutter. It is clearly marked, I've been here for decades. Hiking rules apply. "If you pack it in, pack it out."
Gets to go through life with people announcing their imminent arrival at any event they are going to.
Ah, missed that one. Thanks for pointing that out.
Looks like ~20 per mil for most every decade except a jump from the late ‘60s to late ‘70s peaking at about 180 per mil. Perhaps a byproduct of the flower power/ hippy movement in the ‘60s?
My app sees the tildes behind 1200 and 2000 as markdown. It renders differently on the website (and probably other apps)
You see ~ this, ~ while I see this
Wasn’t there a court case where they themselves argued only an idiot would take anything said there as true, and won?
Oh my god, so what if they were? Why do they care? Let people be who they want to be. If you tell me, "I'm not a woman, I'm an autumn," I might think that's silly, but if that's what you want me to call you, fine. It doesn't hurt anyone, it doesn't exploit anyone, there's no harm in it at all.
I'd love to know if anyone who actually cares about this feels similarly about horoscopes or Meyers-Briggs assessments, two other completely fabricated ways of classifying people.
My Trumper father used to complain about things like choosing your gender being made up. It's all made up, dad! We literally make everything up, just some dipshits gatekeep what make believe is acceptable or not.
Was it ever really common, though? I grew up in a pretty conservative state and the only people who received common courtesy are those who were in the in group, specifically white, heterosexual, social norm abiding Christians. I happened to either not be one of those or questionable as to which I belonged, so I wasn't the recipient of common courtesy until I moved somewhere more progressive.
Why categorize anything at all or even have adjectives? The point is that we categorize things for the sake of clarity. I’m or course not mad about miscategorization, but it can have an impact on understanding. Something isn’t true just by saying it.
The case of gender identity isn’t a matter of letting them be what they want to be; it is letting them be what the are.
Of course nothing is really happening here, but even if it were, it would be fine to complain about people identifying as something absurd. Those people are usually mocking gender non-conformity so fuck that.
If people misunderstand how you identify yourself, it's not hard to correct them. If they keep doing it intentionally, they're being malicious.
It's funny that you ask "why categorize anything at all or even have adjectives" over people putting themselves in a certain category. I don't understand the question.
You asked why do they care? I’m saying, if it were true, people might care because categorization depends on some degree of truth. So it is reasonable to care if people are categorizing truthfully. Conflating flippant categorization and actual identity I don’t think is helpful.
Again, this case is bullshit, but it smacks of the “attack helicopter” garbage where the implication is that trans individuals are just claiming to be something they aren’t, which isn’t true. And when somebody says “who cares if somebody identifies as a park bench” or similar, it doesn’t help. We care because one situation isn’t the truth, and the other is an honest telling of one’s identity.
categorization depends on some degree of truth
Since when? People categorize themselves in ways that aren't true all the time. Like people insisting they aren't fat when they are.
I am concerned I’m getting wrapped into a discussion not in good faith, but this can’t be a serious question. If your friend tells you to come over. “It’s the blue 2 story house on the corner. Come on in.” But they really live in the brownstone next door… do you see the value of speaking the truth to one another?
Upon entering a hospital to see a loved one with very little time remaining you recall the text from your brother said “you need to talk to the tall doctor with brown spiky hair. I can’t recall his name.”
Can it be harmless, like me claiming to be slim and handsome? Yeah, but that doesn’t change that it would be better, in my view, to be candid and clear.
And also I’ll add, not to imply that claiming one is a season is somehow on equal footing as somebody correctly identifying their own gender.
But if someone really believes that they identify as autumn, don't they think they are being candid and clear? Who are you to say they aren't?
Then they are mistaken, and I am a caring companion letting them know they should reevaluate their assessment and maybe see somebody. It really undercuts the message of the trans community to imply that identify ones gender is the same as stating something categorically false.
Self identity doesn’t make truth, it only asserts it.
Their entire business model is drumming up culture war bullshit to keep people distracted from the fact they're losing the class war.
I think he got his mom's color palettes mixed in with his derp.
(Mostly older) People have been claiming they were a summer or autumn for decades.
Even taking it at face value, who cares?
Kids do dumb shit. Always have, always will.
If identifying as seasons gets the creative juices flowing or gives them a harmless source of entertainment, then more power to em.
I didn't even know that was an option..
I'm identifying as paprika. But smoked paprika, not that basic ass egg flavoring.
Fox News is betting that if people are too distracted by what "the woke" are doing, they won't realize that the ultra wealthy are robbing them blind.
Conservatives are so fucking boring. The ones I’m forced to interact with talk about politics at a massively inflated rate compared to anyone else. It’s always shit that makes them angry too, like the only joy you can get out of life is righteous indignation.
Privileged white fuckers are the last people who have any right to be righteously indignant over anything right now, and that’s the majority of conservatives in America.
They can't WAIT to inject thag shit into EVERYTHING. Bro, I'm talking about gardening. I don't care that you believe Biden is the worst president of all time.
My dad was tricked with the "cat litter box" made-up moral panic. SMN has an episode on it (can't remember which one), but some people are too far gone to admit they've been deceived by made-up fox news.
