NZ farmers 'shouldn't pay for emissions if other countries aren't'
NZ farmers 'shouldn't pay for emissions if other countries aren't'
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/132323785/nz-farmers-shouldnt-pay-for-emissions-if-other-countries-arent
New Zealand should not be a first mover when it comes to a farm carbon tax, ACT Party leader David Seymour says.
Other countries didn't give women the right to vote, so why should we? It's because it's the right thing to do, and other countries will eventually follow.
I don't think new Zealand should worry about our emissions. Us being world leaders in emission reduction doesn't change anything. We make up less than 0.1% of the emissions.
As long as the China and the USA continue their pollution we are doomed.
Emissions per captia is a dumb metric. Having 1 billion people doesn't allow you to pollute more than other countries.
Two wrongs don't make a right; we need to look at our own house before we can start throwing stones. Everyone needs to be pulling in the same direction in this boat.
Plus some other analogies.
The fact is we're running out of time on this and the ones who suffer will be future generations. Time to get our collective head out of our arse.
I recommend the book Ministry for the Future for a blow by blow account of what the geopolitics will be across the next 5 decades.
Its a competitive world and I don't want to make things harder for new Zealanders who are already struggling when there's a single country responsible for 30% of global emissions who isn't slowing down nor do they plan to even start slowing down for another 7 years. One country polluting more than the next 6 biggest countries combined.
Why should nz be punished? We have kept our population at a sustainable level we are making efforts to curb emissions. We could cut emissions to 0 and nothing would change.
I would like to see nz farmers have more regulations but I don't consider carbon emissions as that important. It would be fine if they pass but it would also be fine if they dont pass. I would rather see regulations for them to stop polluting waterways and something done about the local cost of meat and veggies.
Because again, it's the right thing to do.
I would like to see nz farmers have more regulations but I don’t consider carbon emissions as that important. It would be fine if they pass but it would also be fine if they dont pass. I would rather see regulations for them to stop polluting waterways and something done about the local cost of meat and veggies.
Why not both? How do you think the price of meat and veg is going to change once farmable land is no longer farmable? Once extreme weather events become twice a year? It is in everyone's best interests to work on this.
Lots of places. Large parts of the Midwest United States, India, Spain, north Africa. And it is only going to get worse.
It’s the right thing to do to maintain the support of the export markets we want to sell to in Britain and the UK. Especially the latter there’s already a big lobby against NZ meat, and if they get to a point where they can empirically show emissions per kg are way worse then we will lose access to the market.
The UK supermarket chains will pull the strings, exactly how egg production in NZ has changed to meet the domestic market expectations led by supermarket buying power. Farmers can’t ignore it, no matter how unfair it may or may not be.
if they get to a point where they can empirically show emissions per kg are way worse then we will lose access to the market
This is a key concern for me. NZ's comparative contribution to carbon emissions between countries doesn't matter much if our trading options become more limited due to current and potential trading partners considering the emissions we produce.
It doesn't necessarily even matter if we're the most efficient producers of those products. We also need to be conscious of possibilities where NZ's primary exports that we rely on so much, like meat and milk, might simply be undermined by more carbon efficient synthetic alternatives as they improve.