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Chinese Military Aircraft, Ships Make Provocative Passes Near Taiwan - USNI News

https://news.usni.org/2023/07/12/chinese-military-aircraft-ships-make-provocative-passes-near-taiwan

TAIPEI, Taiwan — Around 30 People’s Liberation Army Navy aircraft flew over the median line in the Taiwan Strait and into the island’s air defense identification zone on Wednesday, Taiwan’s Ministry of National Defense said. Since 7 a.m. local time, Taiwan’s Armed Forces identified a total of 30 aircraft consisting of unmanned aerial vehicles, Chengdu …

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purahna

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The US naval institute? that's not really subtle

but really now, why are we calling this a "provocative pass", China literally borders one side of the strait. The US makes passes there all the time and I don't see the US Naval Institute calling it "provocative".

dangblingus

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The article says that 30 PLA aircraft passed over the median line into Taiwan's air defense identification zone. Are American craft passing over the line into Chinese air defense territory?

purahna

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Yes? Multiple times?

And even if you wanna both-sides this, the conflict is not even close to symmetric. The Taiwan Strait is nearly 6500 miles from the mainland US and less than 70 from mainland China. China does not conduct fly-bys and naval passes between Florida and Cuba.

Drewfro66

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Chinese Military Aircraft, Ships Make Provocative Passes Through Chinese Airspace/Waters

dangblingus

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RTA, it says right on the line and into the air defense identification zone, meaning they were intentionally trying to piss off Taiwan and by extension, Taiwan's western allies. Needless posturing. Is it news? Not really. Does it have more nuance than you give it credit for? Yes.

purahna

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The territory is contested. Meaning, China claims that this is their territory and they have a right to be there and the US claims it isn't their territory and they don't have a right to be there. The difference is, this is basically within eyesight from mainland China while US vessels that perform these same aggressive maneuvers are one third of a globe away from their home country.

intensely_human

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From the map it appears to be closer to Taiwan than to China.

purahna

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Ah yes, the ol' squint and slice it fifty fifty method. Definitely more reliable at determining who has claims to what area than, you know, checking who has claims to what area.

intensely_human

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I’m pretty sure “closer to” is a concept from geometry and not politics. I don’t need any additional sources to check my claim thanks.

purahna

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Alright, it's way closer to China then it is to the USA, why are there US fighter jets and battleships there at all? Pretty sure the half way point is somewhere past the Philippines.

intensely_human

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I’m not familiar with the details but I would imagine it has something to do with the Taiwanese government being okay with it.

Sabo_Tabby

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You said China twice. Even the US official policy is one China.

intensely_human

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The US official policy is also that marijuana has no medical benefits.

citsuah

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Do you support the US ceasing diplomatic relations with PRC in favour of ROC and going back to the time before Nixon made rapprochement?

intensely_human

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If the PRC will call off diplomatic relations over something as simple as recognizing a country next to China, we need to be ready for that war anyway because that kind of gaslighting only expands if you play along.

I don’t believe China would go dark in response to us recognizing Taiwan. If they would do that over something so petty, we need to be treating them as a hostile, non-communicating entity anyway.

So basically, if we model China as willing to sever diplomatic relations over that, we should model them as already having severed diplomatic relations.

Sabo_Tabby

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Why do you think Taiwan isn't a part of china?