https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2024/03/20/tennessee-senate-passes-bill-banning-chemtrails-what-to-know/73027586007/
The Tennessee Senate has passed a bill targeting \
The law and its premise is nuts, lets just get that out of the way first.
"The intentional injection, release, or dispersion, by any means, of chemicals, chemical compounds, substances, or apparatus within the borders of this state into the atmosphere with the express purpose of affecting temperature, weather, or the intensity of the sunlight is prohibited," the bill reads.
So on one hand this is a reading about banning any efforts of geoengineering. But modern day airplanes already dump "chemical compounds" into Tennessee airspace today as part of jet engine exhaust. The argument would be "oh, planes are okay because they're not dumping to affect weather even though those gases are affecting the weather via climate change." Doesn't that argument open up license for anyone to dump whatever they want (including geoengineering materials) if they can claim that isn't their primary purpose?
I mean, planes already inject, release, or disperse a lot of chemicals, chemical compounds, substances into the atmosphere, namely CO2 and water, which is why there are contrails.
Did Tennessee just ban airplanes?
“With the express purpose of affecting temperature, weather, or the intensity of sunlight.”
I’m pretty sure they just made it so polluters are fine if the they are just doing it to pollute and don’t give a fuck about climate change
*instructions unclear - CO2 emissions violate this new law; henceforth, airplanes are illegal in Tennessee
Damn.
That is WAAAY moar worser...
You know that tornadoes are already prevented through cloud-alteration, right?
This would criminalize that?
We need to criminalize incompetence-in-authority!!
We need to criminalize incompetence-in-authority!!
I don't think that's possible. There won't be any governments left.
wouldnt that be great! some local citizen should sue an airline, using this bill, for affecting the climate.
Reading comprehension: with the express purpose of... That's not the express purpose of those planes.
Reading comprehension: with the express purpose of… That’s not the express purpose of those planes.
Critical thinking: the express purpose is whatever the creator/operator of the machine says it is.
Jet engines on a plane's express purpose is to create a high pressure jet of air out one side to propel the craft forward. However, jet engines express purpose can also used to put out oil well fires:
What makes one vs the other? Whatever the creator and operator of the machine decides.
Specifically about geoengineering,
There is a company releasing sulfur in geoengineering experiments source.
Spraying sulfur is also used in gardening to treat plant disease and pest control. source
So if I say my "express purpose" of releasing sulfur is for plant disease and pest control, even though the other thing it could do would be geoengineering via the same release, I would be in compliance with the wording of the law yet still be geoengineering.
Fucking Chemtrails. I have MS and one of the times I was in a physical rehabilitation clinic, relearning how to walk, I had a nurse who believed in chemtrails. She asked if I realized that my MS was caused by chemtrails. I was taken aback. I was actively playing civ with a friend who heard my side of the conversation. After she said that, I had a short conversation with her about how chemtrails aren't real. She said "Well I guess all those congressional hearings I watched were fake." To which I said that we are never going to agree on this and it's better to just stop talking so we don't have an argument. She basically agreed and thankfully she was gone by the time I needed my MS meds that evening. Chemtrails are BS and yet so many people believe they're real, even in professions that should understand they're not real, that it is genuinely depressing.
A lot of nurses are dumb as shit. I've also met M.D.s who were seriously fucking stupid people.
M.D. here and I feel like I should defend myself but all I can think of was this highly trained doc who fought the hospital administration about having to wear masks, in the hospital, during peak Covid. I mean he was actually one of many but what made him stand out was that his wife was in our ICU. With Covid. Yes he continued to fight masking even as his own wife was near death in the ICU.
So, yeah.
Well he can just fuck right off
…like, out of the hospital
…preferably out of his profession entirely, if possible
I say it all the time, you can go to school for a long time and learn nothing about empathy or compassion.
its just there are over 20 currently agreed upon "types" of intelligence, so people can be very sharp in some ways and utterly hopeless in others.
Most doctors are put together pretty well in my experience though
You are so absolutely correct about this. This gentleman I refer to is actually a very smart guy in many ways. But say it with me folks: You are not immune to propaganda.
This gentleman was drinking the Fox News tea big time and that’s where the anti-mask, anti-vaccine stuff was coming from. His training and years of knowledge just eventually got short circuited from the constant propaganda.
Weird having worked with them closely for almost twenty years in a hospital setting.
I can say for many I met. They're absolutely no better than the average person is "put together". The only thing they tend to be superior at is memorization and recall.
I hear stories like this and it's hard for me to accept the fact that they're stupid and not just truly evil
honestly dude the older I get the more I learn a lot of behavior that seems hurtful is just coming from someone who DOES NOT pause to consider what its doing to someone else. its not that they dont care, its just it never dawns on them that its hurting others
I had two CS professors who should NOT be asked about anything other than programing or math
If it was something other than those two topics then you will almost certainly be given a confident, yet incorrect, answer
Sys admin here for quite some time.
This is pretty typical in our field I've found, because that's what it takes to move up in this field.
Non-CS just believe the "oh you work with computers? So you must know how to hack Facebook" logic, so they have to either say they don't know how and look stupid, or just rattle off some absolute bonkers shit that uses acronyms and such above the non-CSs head.
This eventually bleeds into their reality and becomes a character trait.
It's more a human/culture problem than a CS problem but I get what you mean :)
The doofy thing is neurotoxins in aviation engine fumes are 100% a real thing, but it's not in the white lines you see behind jets, it's from small planes burning leaded AVGAS. There's a mandate to find a replacement for 100LL by 2030, but we're still burning leaded gasoline in lots of GA planes.
Which is very characteristic of the Conspiracy minded, they occasionally have a kernel of truth and then turn it up to 11.
that's disturbing, I'm very sorry you had to deal with that, having someone you were supposed to trust with your health, who suddenly pulled back the curtain and revealed themselves as an utter moron.
Perhaps she knows what she's talking about. The rate of MS in Saskatchewan is ten times higher south of highway one than north of it, and american air force pilots have admitted to using that highway as a visual marker to spread chemicals in other instances in the area. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/u-s-secretly-tested-carcinogen-in-western-canada-during-the-cold-war-researcher-discovers
First off that article says nothing about MS increased rates anywhere. But also, it talks about something that happened from July 9, 1953 to Aug 1, 1953. It's one instance of testing a chemical for the cold war that was for trying to determine how Nuclear Fallout would spread in the area. Also, worst of all, you said there was an increased rate of MS in Saskatchewan but then posted an article that talks about something that happened in Winnipeg, which last I checked, was in Manitoba not Saskatchewan.
Edit: It does list an event that happened in Alberta but those were just claiming they could see some "distanctly visible emissions" but no study has shown any evidence for that being an actual chemical being ejected from the planes. There is also a supposed instance of it in St. Lois where they use just two people as evidence for it. It also talks about other tests the cia and other government agencies have done on the populace but none of those listed were a chemical dispersal except the original.
got curious, googled it, here's something interesting:
https://news.usask.ca/articles/research/2018/u-of-s-study-hones-in-on-causes-of-ms-disability.php
seems genetic. which makes sense.
apparently that region just got unlucky with its gene pool, though, as the news release states: more research is necessary in order to be certain.
being caused by environmental chemicals hasn't been definitively ruled out, but it's not looking likely
(btw, bravo on an actually readable press release by a university!)
Maybe cause that's not exactly why I posted the article. There's a whole lot more to dig into, from reputable sources, I was just pointing you in the general direction with an article from a national paper. And not only 1953. They've been trying to figure out that geographic MS thing for years. You have enough info now to look into it yourself. (Medicine Hat is also mentioned too, it's like you skimmed that article) It's hilarious y'all are always like "They'd never do that, blah blah blah" "Here's a documented and verified instance of them doing it at least twice, in the fifties and 60's" "Welll..... so what?" You're (not subtly) misrepresenting what was in that article in order to belittle it. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch, i know,
Had a verified link and pointed you in the right direction, This isn't university, if you care, look it up.
Gee. I wonder why I can't be bothered to recall everything i've read on the subject over the years, track it all down, and serve up a bunch of neatly listed links for people bitching i don't
Breaking news: Party that built its entire platform on a stupid conspiracy theory now expanding platform to other stupid conspiracy theories.
You know, I overnighted in Idaho twice a couple of years ago, when driving across the country. Both times I stopped in a Lolo National Forest and camped, saw no one, spoke to no one.
I'm thinking that was probably the best case scenario. I'm quite certain I didn't even stop for fuel within Idaho's borders.
I live in Jackson, Wyoming. We and Idaho have twin Teton Counties which are affectionately referred to as "Wydaho". It is, with no hyperbole, the greatest place I have ever lived in. The problem is always the psychotic state government. The locals are actually VERY nice, especially on the less crowded Idaho side.
EDIT: The parts of Kentucky, Arkansas, and Tennessee I have seen are also very beautiful.
We had to drive from Oregon to Montana a few times during the pandemic years and made sure not to stop for gas in Idaho.
one of the tech sites yesterday had a short blurb about states paying to get workers and remote workers to relocate – seems to be a pretty strong overlap between implementing conspiracy theory laws and trying to stop the “““right””” kind of people from leaving …
That's an easy promise to keep, because there won't be any jet planes flying in or out of the state due to chemtrails LOL
I mean, technically, contrails are composed of chemical compounds. Mainly dihydrogen monoxide which is one of the most dangerous chemicals there are!
And it sucks. We loved going to Nashville and other parts for concerts, the food, etc but we can't support this insanity. We decided to nix Tennessee with the last big news story and now this.
Oh good. Mission accomplished. I guess they'll have time now to go after the real issues, like... What's inside everyone's pants when going to the bathroom. Or making sure women don't have access to health care when needed. Even ensuring priests are in every school...
Not exactly. The issue is that we have let the idiot's take control. We have let the idea of democracy and civility lead us to this mess. Those of us with working brains need to start yelling louder than the morons and tell them to sit down and shut the fuck up because the adults are taking back control.
You can't control a cult because they reinforce each other constantly. It's like trying to reform an alcoholic when all his friends, co-workers and associates are drunks and he lives right above a bar.
when all his friends, co-workers and associates are drunks and he lives right above a bar.
Do you know me? I feel like you're talking about me.
Is it working?
Or have we defunded education and science for 50 years, and now we have a nation of idiots?
Its about time, maybe now my wife will come back and listen to me knowing that we can finally live with clean air and no more frogs turnin gay
The bill would have some merit if it just hadn't tacked on the chemtrail nonsense. The issue of geoengineering and how one group or country's activities can affect others negatively is valid concern, but it goes far beyond protecting a single state within its borders. Is Tennessee going to sue states west and south of them because weather movement there ends up spawning tornadoes in TN? The environment is shared, we all have to act together.
Lol you assume they understand words, consequences, correlations, and causality. They understand nothing other than "what's mine is mine and fuck you"
This bill was nothing other than idiots discussing chemicals, we all know this, don't pretend they were almost smart. They aren't.
Everyone knows the weather is very polite and will respect the imaginary lines we drew /s
In related news, The boogeyman, Sasquach, and Godzilla are also forbidden to enter Tennessee. The rainbow has been officially reclaimed from the homosexuals that stole it from God, but the bill to build a wall to keep out the gay frogs died in committee over funding issues (Mexico refused to pay for it).
Now can we pass some legislation preventing corruption? Or helping families with kitchen table economics? No? oh, okay.
Relax, it’s a brand of granola that contains small pieces of plastic.
…I’m kidding, it’s worse, it’s the conspiracy one.
I would actually almost be willing to support a stupid bill for stupid people if all it did was ban the stupid chemtrail conspiracy ideas and not actual genuinely useful tools like cloud seeding and other legitimate weather engineering. If they just said “it is hereafter illegal to intentionally inject chemicals into exhaust that turn people liberal or make frogs gay” then sure, at least then the chemtrail idiots could shut up and finally believe the planes aren’t (deliberately) poisoning them due to their hard work and diligence.
I would be down for it if they had just accidentally banned air travel. Air travel is pretty much intentional changing of the environment when there are other methods of travel available.