Pc gamers when their 350$ handheld laptop has a bigger library, more backwards compatibility, and cross platform access without any monthly subscriptions.
Don't forget the mods, console fanboys only get their approved mods while PC gets the wild west experience
Don't forget console commands to work around a bug in a quest. Or summon items. Or respawn accidentally killed NPCs.
I can pirate very easily too - probably saved me about $3k in game costs alone while still having a way larger legit library than 99% of Consol owners
I've had three gaming PCs and spent maybe $10K in computer parts in the last fifteen years. I know I've definitely saved more than that versus having a console.
If you got every major console of one manufacturer during those 15 years you'd have like 3 consoles. That's less than 2k
They only talked about "computer parts". In any case, I highly doubt most ppl would spend 8k on console games.
8k over 15 years comes out to about 9 games per year. Not that doubtful at all. In any case, the point is piracy gets you more games for less money.
Well, normally I wouldn't have to wait to pirate something. So I think the current situation is pretty bad
why is denuvo hard to remove tho?
yeah, there are a lot of traps embeeded in obfuscated code (a total mess and really hard to reverse engineer)
... but in the end it still has to interface with some service to check for license ownership or obtain some sort of token for decryption, why not hook that or find a way to reuse tokens across multiple machines?
It's a handheld computer. It's more of a glorified gaming tablet than a console. It's no more of a console than a gaming laptop with the same APU.
You're comparing two completely different experiences. The steam deck has 64gb of RAM and doesn't do 1080 on some modern titles. The PS5 and x do 4k upscaling well and punches above its weight when compared to a more expensive GPU. The steam deck looks like garbage on a large TV and is a terrible only device if you have a budget.
Steam Deck works great for the games I care about. Which is not the trash put out by the major game developers.
And it's shared with the CPU which has been a bottleneck since both the x and PS5 do it.
Try zone of the enders 2 on PC. Plays a million times better than on PS2 with the massive frame rate drops.
It's fine. I played all the way through Metal Gear Solid 3 on my old PC that just had a quad-core CPU about 10 years ago. It performed better than the PS2 did on the same game.
I'm just happy I can watch my porn on 4k on the second screen with music, while still playing on ultra in my games. Makes me feel like I am at a bar.
What if my $300 PC is better than your $400 console?
What if it had more utilities than just gaming and streaming?
What if my $1500 PC built 5 years ago has been more capable than multiple generations of consoles that have been released since? My brother has bought like 3 XBoxes in the same amount of time and my PC still outpaces it by a pretty wide margin.
5 years ago
multiple generations of consoles
There has only been one generation of consoles released since.
The Switch successor might count as another generation if that comes out this year, though, and it would also be a sad state of affairs if your PC wasn't more powerful than mobile hardware so that's basically a given, I'll give you that.
Didn't they release several different versions of the Xbox in that time? Like technically the same "generation" or whatever but upgrading a few minor things like storage and such?
2020 was the release of ps5 and “xbox series x” (and also the cheaper “xbox series s” model that has since proven incapable of playing certain xbox titles, holding the whole xbox platform back; see baldur’s gate)
no new consoles have been released since and it will be at least 3+ years before a new generation of consoles arrives (meaning one that has games the previous model can’t play)
Here's what I'm talking about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox#Comparison
The XBox One came out in 2013, but then starting in 2016, they started releasing a series of other XBoxes with incremental upgrades. The "One S" and "One X" within a year of each other, then the "Series S" and "Series X" in 2020. It looks like the CPU and GPU get upgraded along the way, but none of them is nearly as powerful as the PC I've had through that time period, nor as capable considering I can do more than play games on it.
Lowest price I can find for a PS5 is $500
That's less than I've put into my PC since the PS4
Edit: Just realized that the CPU I recently upgraded from predates the PS4.
Meanwhile, on Xbox, you need Game Pass to play Final Fantasy 14, on top of the subscription to the game itself.
No not every game, there are a lot of online F2P games or games that have their own sub to play on PS5 that don't require PS+.
Nope. You need Playstation Plus or Xbox Game Pass Core for online play on their respective platforms. And they charge subscription fees for that.
That's why I only get sp games that are exclusive to Playstation with mine. I mean technically Bloodborne and Demon's Souls have multiplayer but I'm totally fine not seeing bloodstains and messages that say "try jumping" everywhere or having some rando invade me.
At the same time, most of those exclusives are PS4 games so unless you really want the 5 or 6 games that are only on PS5, you could save money and get a PS4.
You can rent and sell games. I save literally $2000 USD a year renting games vs purchasing.
PC is cheaper in the long run.
You don't need new controllers or any proprietary accessories when switching console and you can buy games on steam sales (which can be insanely cheaper).
You can also update your pc if you want it to last a bit longer.
I think consoles made more sense back then. If you like your console that's fine, but I'm pretty sure pc is much cheaper and last longer when you consider all those factors.
I know it's a meme, but you don't need $3K for decent gaming PC unless you want overkill performance. If you get components on sale, you can build something pretty good for $600 to $700 (excluding monitor, mouse and keyboard). You just be patient and fool around on pcpartpicker.
You aren't getting a "pretty good" gaming PC for $600-$700, be serious now. That doesn't invalidate most of your other points, but your exaggerations weaken your message.
Here you go, bud. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/N3cVgB
This matches my $2,000+ build from 6 years ago. I still use it today, and I have no plans to upgrade still. It runs modern games at at least 50-80 fps at 4k.
This build is $652.99. It doesn't include windows, but I paid $19 for windows pro, and Linux is free.
That's very impressive for that price, though I am highly skeptical of those framerates since my PC has better specs and doesn't get that without some serious compromises in settings. How are you getting a Windows Pro license for $19? I use linux 99% of the time, but I'd love to have a pro license on the cheap.
It depends on the title. Obviously it'll run terraria at 4k but Cyberpunk obviously won't. Consoles do the same thing though and just lower the resolution for difficult titles.
Cyberpunk runs at something like 50-70 fps, if memory serves. It's high enough that it doesn't bother me, but it could be better for sure.
I am running that on very high settings, too. That's a game where you want everything way up. I don't know if I used the literal highest, but the hdr (after a lot of manual tinkering) looks fanatastic.
If you aren't going to use Win Pro for anything important, you could always run massgrave and unlock it for free.
They are very real framerates, I assure you. It really depends on the game, though. Most recently, Palworld has been flowing at around 70fps or higher, but I'm using the second highest settings, not the very highest.
I purchased the windows pro key off a third party website last Black Friday. I already had a license, and I just wanted the encryption! I just googled it, and ostensibly found another one for $35. They are a thing, oddly enough. Just be sure to research where you're buying it so you don't get scammed.
I'm serious. You won't have ray tracing shenanigans or whatnot, but you'll run everything 1080p at max settings smoothly. You just need to wait for components to be on sale (especially the gpu and the cpu). Like I said, it doesn't include peripherals. That's what I did, it totally can be done.
Since you're serious, I'd be very curious to see the part list for this if you have the time. I am quite aware of current prices and GPU prices are currently still rather bonkers, even with sales.
I've double checked and while I think it's still perfectly reasonable, it would be more something between $700 and $800. I've made two mistakes: I slightly overestimated the conversion rate from CAD to USD and I didn't factor in the fact that I didn't have to buy a pc case and a power supply.
Ryzen 5 ($140) on amazon
Radeon 6650xt ($229) on canadacomputers
Msi B550-A Pro ($111) on canadacomputers
T-Force Vulcan [8gb x 4] ($80) one pair on amazon another one on canadacomputers
I checked quickly and I was able to fit the rest (SSD, case, power supply) for something around $760ish.
The cpu and the gpu were bought during a Christmas sale and the rest was bought later. This was bought about two years ago (a bit after the time gpus were insanely overpriced).
While I definitely agree for desktop situation. The landscape for PC gaming has changed dramatically, there are some sub ~$1000 laptops that are not bad entry points. Same with the Steam Deck and ROG Ally, both are decent entry points for someone interested in PC gaming with not a massive budget.
I mean, that was what mine cost back in like 2014, and I would've kept it that way for a while if not for my growing interest in VR, which admittedly had me shelling out another $200 for a GPU in around 2016. It trchnically wasn't a gaming PC, sure, but it's kept up pretty well in recent time. I still don't see myself having to replace any parts for a while now - I'm consistently still able to play current games on medium-high settings, occasionally having to turn things down a bit for games like Darktide.
I mean, technically it referred to itself as an office PC and not a gaming PC, but that's just pedantics when it works all the same.
Any "game" that takes a PC over $600 (or even that) to run isn't a good game, it's a garbage barely interactive movie with vaguely game-like elements that unlock new parts of the story.
The more power required to run something, the more garbage it is. Sell only lowish-end PCs and make good games. Then kill off consoles like they should have years and years ago.
Also, anything over 1080/60hz (also, VR) is a scam made to suck more money out of your pocket for fucking nothing.
Wow that is certainly a hot take. Sounds like sour grapes to me, as someone who is very frugal and does quite enjoy VR gaming and my nice 34" widescreen 144Hz monitor with all its millions of pixels.
Sure you can enjoy games at 1080p and low framerates, but I definitely enjoy them more in 3D versus 2D and with more pixels and frames. It's simply better to have more detail and smoother performance.
also steam sales are often way better than sales on console which is only part of the year and only games atleast a year or two old but still if you're patient you can get really good deals for games on pc
You get to run older games that use to run like shit on previous console generations without waiting for a "remaster" and paying $70 for it. Current generation games will run better on future versions of your PC sometimes to a really silly degree.
I heard half life 2 was really hard to run back in the day and now you can run it at 200 fps on a modern toaster.
The real cost is in trying to match parts that look good together (especially white), spending money on RGB/screens, going liquid instead of air so you can see more of your motherboard, and spending way too much on a really nice looking case.
Pirating some stuff is the only option for the 3ds unfortunately since it got Nintendo'd
Not Linux, but I believe it runs on FreeBSD.
PS3 used to have the option to boot into Linux, though. Used to.
Ah, this again. Maybe we can start accepting other people's use cases? (This goes both ways btw)
Consoles are kinda dying anyways tho. Less and less sales even tho there are more and more gamers.
Well the last 2 generations of ps/Xbox consoles with mainly PC parts brought that upon themselves. They need to be consoles damn it, not weak PCs.
The switch still stands out with unique features (and pricing).
If you spec it out right with used parts you can get really great performance for relatively cheap.
Here's a list I put together for fun about half a year ago, prices have probably changed a bit though (Ebay) 13900k: $475, (Ebay) 3090: $630, mobo: $100, (Ebay) 64gb RAM: $100, case: $40, 850w PSU: $130, AG620 cooler: $50, 2tb SSD: $67, fans: $20, (Ebay) 4k monitor: $200, total: $1812
Or you can look at that chromebook I got on ebay for $40 that I played Celeste, Half Life, and Half Life 2 from start to finish for the first time on after swapping its operating system out with linux (which is actually pretty easy). You can also find old mini pcs with a lot higher performance for similar prices used if you don't need a laptop.
Obviously neither of those are very directly comparable but they do show you can get great price to performance in a PC, if you know what to look for.
Really, I'm just thrilled when I can run a game on my PC, at all. Specifically: Getting a game to accept a left-handed configuration and run on a 3840x1600 window on a 4096x2160 screen can often be a challenge. A lot of games don't like running in a window, and they like custom configured window sizes even less.
That said, since I play single-player and co-op games, want my crew operating with the best speed and comfort they can manage. It's not a competition.
I just added water-cooling and a larger PSU, $200 later lol.
When I think about it I realize I could spend my money on other things but hey, having dual 32 inch screens is better than outside.