https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68208157
The King "remains wholly positive about his treatment", says Buckingham Palace.
I was happy for a second and then remembered that karma is a bad take and that he will be getting the absolute best available healthcare and even if he does die, he will be doing so having gotten to old age, in extreme luxury and in more comfort than any of us will ever experience.
I worry that if he does die soon it will only embolden royalist sentiment in this country as the grieving masses will cling on to the "young king" which the media will spin as "progressive" or whatever, and we'll just keep getting further and further away from abolishing this disgusting establishment.
We seriously need a King Ralph type thing to happen, only the people take over, instead of a stereotypical American. Turn Buckingham palace in to a community centre with a kitchen and a shelter and childcare and a free mental health clinic, and put those gardens to actual use..
I can understand you wanting to abolish the royal family (I do too), but I can’t understand your hatred of him personally, to actually be happy he has cancer. He doesn’t seem like a bad/evil person to me
You don’t exterminate mosquitoes because they are evil, you get rid of them because they are parasites, unable to exist without feeding on you and your loved ones. They are disease vectors, it’s us or them.
The royal family feeds into hierarchical structures. They benefit from our subjugation. They knowingly and intentionally contribute to death and misery worldwide for their own benefit. If Charles was a decent man he’d abdicate.
So petition for the monarchy to be dismantled. Write to your MP. If there’s enough support for it maybe we can get a referendum for it. Though unfortunately I don’t think there’s yet a significant majority of the public that do want that.
I just don’t get being happy at him having cancer. That doesn’t even bring us any closer to dismantling the monarchy. But I guess you must have reasons for having more hatred for him that I’ve not been exposed to
When have you ever seen a petition change a single thing? You really think that signing names on a piece of paper would be sufficient to take down the Monarchy?
You realize how naive that is at best, right?
Write to your MP. If there’s enough support for it maybe we can get a referendum for it.
Why write to them when you can start an official petition and get the House to debate abolishing the monarchy. Only need 10,000 signatures to force the issue to be debated.
If sitting on a gold throne, in a gold room, riding around in your gold carriage, covered in jewels, none of which were (or ever could be) "earned", but rather pillaged, without even knowing what a days work feels like, while the people you're parading your "god given right" to lord over, and whose wealth you hoard privately overseas, are having to choose between heating and eating as they work 3 zero hour jobs just to survive - isn't considered evil in your mind, it is your moral compass that is the problem, not me feeling momentary joy when a cancer gets cancer.
He cheated on his wife, very publicly for years. Idk about your views but maintaining a mistress immediately excludes you from being a good person. Charles was a prick for a long time before he started committing to charity, conservation, social outreach programs, etc
No disagreements about about him being a prick, but wishing cancer and even death on another person seems pretty wild to me.
Please point to where anyone wished cancer on anyone?*
Also, the fact that people don't feel sorry for the filthy rich old man getting what is almost certainly an age related disease (because it's not like he was exposed to the levels of shit food and air and stress that gives the rest of us cancer), is wild to you, but the existence of a "god appointed" ruler that leeches off of his people while they struggle to survive isn't, says a lot more about you than me not giving much of a shit does about me..
*E: you know what? Even if I had, wishing death on a person whose entire existence depends on the oppression (and death) of others on a mass, almost unimaginable scale, is still less morally repugnant than defending them. ¯\(ツ)/¯
Eat the fucking rich - they've brought it on themselves.
I don't think that wishing death on someone is always bad but I don't really get it for King Charles
Here’s an article going into some of the crown’s crimes, which Charles has willingly benefitted from and continues to do so.
But he was only happy for a second and since they believe in karma, now they aren't happy. Nobody said no take backs so they're probably good.
We seriously need a King Ralph type thing to happen
More like King Louis XVI type thing to happen
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What exactly do you hate about him? Is it his stance on climate change or the Prince Trust maybe? The Royal family are an important source of culture, tourism, and soft power when the UK’s overseas influence is waning. What good to you think will come of getting rid of them?
The Royal family are an important source of culture, tourism, and soft power
The Royal family isnt an important source of tourism.
Palaces like Versailles and Sanssouci get millions of visitors every year without a group of racists and pedophiles around and actively in power to give it some greater meaning.
What good to you think will come of getting rid of them?
We'd become a proper modern country where the person who represents the nation is chosen by the nation? We'd move on from a system where who's up front simply depends on who their mum or dad were? We'd rid ourselves of a system trained with centuries of imperial exploitation, racism and subjugation? We'd open up new tourism opportunities, with the palaces and castles being available for anyone to visit, a la Versailles?
And that's just off the top of my head.
The UK truly is in shambles if their tourism industry and culture depend on a cabal of ghouls siphoning vast amounts of wealth from the people purely for show.
Personally, I like to think the people of the UK have a lot more to them than their vestigial rulers.
Feel free to educate yourself bootlicker, I'll even start you off, but I don't have the energy this evening to invest in someone with their head that deep up the ass of the establishment stomping an all our necks..
It doesn't explain why you have so much venom. I see the royal family as British heritage. I don't see how having a monarchy with no real power has any effect on the day to day lives of British people. Certainly not enough to explain the hate.
You know what else is a British heritage? Famines in India.
Aristocracy is privilege without any kind of merit whatsoever. It costs the tax payer millions and undermines democracy.
So some guy came to England, killed another guy who claimed to rule it, and now we have to watch their family spend eternity in decadent luxury because "British Heritage". pfft.
Tell you what. I'll go perform some actions that make myself king, and then a few generations from now my family will be British heritage. Then we can all be happy.
a monarchy with no real power
I don’t know if it’s that you don’t know anything about the royal family, or that you don’t know anything about how power works, or both.
They have influence, not governing power. Sure you could argue they don't deserve the influence they have just for being in that position. The main point however is questioning the /hate/. I know you're not the poster who I was replying to, but I didn't want to distract the point of my post. Why should we hate the monarchy so much?
We shouldn't hate the monarchy, necessarily. We should hate monarchy as a concept.
It's archaic, it formalises and legitimises unbelievable levels of inequality and elitism, and it gives rise to at least the strong possibility (and in the UK's case at least, the actuality) of a tiered legal system, with some laws simply not applying to some people because of their position.
It's a repulsive idea, based on historical might and hereditary right, and with no regard for democracy or equality of all people.
That makes sense. I agree with that. Thank you.
I felt somewhat disheartened that the response of a guy announcing he has cancer is filled with such toxicity.
They have influence, not governing power
The old man that this post is about literally does have governing power, not only in the UK but also in 14 other countries including Australia and Canada. A common argument made by monarchists is that the monarch's actual influence is negligible, and their governing power should be ignored because it is only ceremonial.
As Wikipedia puts it:
Royal assent is the method by which a monarch formally approves an act of the legislature, either directly or through an official acting on the monarch's behalf. Under a modern constitutional monarchy, royal assent is considered little more than a formality. Even in nations such as the United Kingdom, Norway, the Netherlands, Liechtenstein and Monaco which still, in theory, permit their monarch to withhold assent to laws, the monarch almost never does so, except in a dire political emergency or on advice of government.
But... there is a catch:
It turns out that there is also a less formal process (or a "parliamentary convention"; another part of the UK's heritage is having an "unwritten constitution", whatever that means) called King's Consent whereby the monarch, in secret, is consulted before parliament is allowed to debate anything which might affect their personal interests. And it turns out, a lot of things might affect their personal interests, so, this procedure has been and continues to be used to review, shape, and in some cases veto, numerous laws before they are allowed to be debated by parliament. You can read more here.
I don't see how having a monarchy with no real power has any effect on the day to day lives of British people.
Then what the hell is the point in the amount of tax money that we spend on them? If tourism is such a big money spinner for the country then getting rid of them and keeping the related buildings would still bring in money without having to pay for the decadent lives of these parasites.
It will be so funny if he takrs a sharp turn downhill and dies. Dude was famous for never getting a chance to be king and then to go out so quickly would be * chef's kiss *
Do you think they have any compassion for the random proles like us? Like they could divest themselves of wealth to help people, and just live luxurious lives instead of gold flakes in food lives.
I think any human being with enough compassion to deserve treatment as anything more than a hostile enemy would do that
I think they’d have compassion enough to not laugh at somebody’s cancer diagnosis, yes.
I’m all for disliking the institution. Doesn’t mean I think he deserves to have cancer or it would be funny if he died.
He literally chooses every single day to actively ignore the plight of the people he claims to rule. He does nothing
Every single day he actively chooses to ignore suffering, probably even cracks jokes about it, while actively working to preserve his enormous privilege and protect his kin from facing consequences for their heinous actions. He stands at the head of an institution of violence, racism, cruelty, and exploitation and every single moment of his life he chooses to side with that over any earnest attempt to redeem their reputation.
The entire justification for their privilege is so insane it makes phrenology look respectable.
He is horrible, he could help so many people with a few words and the equivalent of pocket change but he chooses not to for fear of starting a process that ends with him living as one of the ordinary citizens he claims to protect. It's fucking bananas that you think there is some moral reasons to extend civility to such a monsterous person.
It's not brave or noble to police expressions of anger at oppressors it's just foolish. It won't make society better, civility is just a tool the powerful use to enforce the status quo.
He chooses to let someone starve over feeding them, this is fine a civil behavior. I call him a fucking cunt for doing that and wish death upon him and this is uncivil behaviour and I lack compassion? nonsense, it is compassion that fills me with rage.
It's okay to wish bad things happen to a monarch billionaire landlord, actually. It's good and rad.
If I ever have a golden piano while someone on the planet goes cold and hungry at night you can draw and quarter me.
Imagine anyone saying that about one of your morally-bankrupt, billionaire, pedophile, mass-murdering, genocide-supporting, colonialist, cartoonishly-evil family members.
But he literally is an ordinary guy. The most consequential thing he has ever done with his life is to be born into an arbitrarily special family where he lived in luxury and prominence for no other reason than he continued existing. He is nothing more than an ordinary guy with extraordinary luck.
Luck or not he is the king, so he's not just a random guy. Pretending to not undeerstand that fact just to make a point adds nothing to the discussion
The royal family, including Charles are big proponents of homeopathy. Let's see how much homeopathy is going to help him now. I'm sure at least as much as those alternative methods Steve Jobs chose helped him, back then...
You’ve got to be kidding me. Is it corruption or stupidity? As in, are they selling vials of contaminated water as medicine or are they just known to trust pseudoscience?
The water/solvent isn't even contaminated. It is deluted so thoroughly, you can't even find a single molecule of whatever ingredient is supposed to show any effect.
It's hypocrisy and the typical rich bozo alienation syndrome, they have easy and unlimited access to best medicine in the world, so it's easy to forget that others don't and promote charlatanerie. It could also be malicious if we look at how they don't do anything against gutting the healthcare.
I love the people in here standing up for him lol. An absolute fuckton of people die every day. Basically every moment has human death in it. No one defending him cares a single wit about them, but they'll get wound up over this old man dying of something many many people die of daily.
Considering everything that's come out about the royal family, I can't find a single care in me for him. I feel more for the countless faceless strangers dying worse deaths. This old pampered fuck will die well in comparison. He doesn't need any sympathy from me.
Saved for the people who's losing the NHS while the royal family have doctors 24/7, paid by tge taxpayers, ready for them.
He's got a cool hat. He doesn't wear it much, but he has it. That's what matters.
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He's got a cool hat. He doesn't wear it much, but he has it. That's what matters.
Nothing is cool about this fucking family
Nah, he was doing his dream job the whole time, running a research farm and advocating for sustainable farming practices. Soon as he became king, he had to stop with the targeted advocacy.
he also advocated for homoeopathy......maybe that's what he'll treat his cancer with (i hope so)
I recently got the side-eye from a lot of people because I said that homeopathy is not the same as natural remedies.
Ah the Steve Jobs treatment method, maybe he’ll adopt the fruit diet. Shame Harry gave up his claim, he seemed like the one with Lizzie’s spirit
Prostate cancer is very common, very survivable, and very easily treatable. It's a serious health problem, but he's almost definitely gonna be fine
Me fail reading comprehension. The article says it's NOT prostate cancer
Seeing as he is a rich cunt, it could be glioblastoma if they found it during the prostate exam.
Would be weird for the longest serving monarch to be replaced by the shortest serving one.
Which raises a good question... who was the shortest serving British monarch?
Oh, of COURSE there's a Wiki for that...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_monarchy_records
"The shortest-reigning monarch was Lady Jane Grey who ruled for 9 days from 6 July until 15 July 1553 (although she was only proclaimed queen by the Lords of the council on 10 July). Her husband Lord Guildford Dudley was her consort for the entire reign, making this the shortest tenure of the male consort of a female monarch. Note: Jane's reign is disputed.
The king with the shortest definitively known reign was Edgar the Ætheling who ruled for 2 months, 12 days in 1066 before submitting to William the Conqueror. Some records indicate that Sweyn Forkbeard reigned for only 40 days in 1013–4.[7]"
Queen Elizabeth II died 9/8/2022, so Charles has already been in 514 days. He's good...
He's still pretty far down the overall list though
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monarchs_in_Britain_by_length_of_reign
Would be weird for the longest serving monarch to be replaced by the shortest serving one.
That makes a lot of sense actually. Elizabeth II cut into his time.
No, he's completely out of the running unless all of King Charles children and grandchildren mysteriously die
I think it's primogeniture monarchy, so it's from parent to child. Next in line is Charles' firstborn.
English taxpayers paying for another coronation ceremony be like: 🥶*
* can't pay to heat their house.
I mean, it did bring more money into the economy than it took out of it, same with Queen Elizabeth II's funeral, so we could profit off of this
Don't knock it, we get a day off when they die and a day off when we get a new one.
Sometimes we get a day off when they've been on the throne for a set number of years.
So for that reason I'd like to keep them.
Give us two extra bank holidays a year, and you can King Ralph all these motherfuckers.
And least he got to be king first :P
I haven't seen any new coins yet with his face on it. It may be the shortest run of coins with a new face. I've had the same face on my coins for my entire life, these will be the first with a new one.
Shortest run was probably Edward VIII. My dad found a coin with Charles's face on it. I also bought a few commemoratives. I think it'll probably start appearing on £1 coins soon as they are the newest
I have 0 sympathy for monarchial families living off the backs of UK taxpayers for... Centuries :|
As an American, if I got cancer like this dude has, having a job there is a very high chance I'd be destitute IF I lived. World class medical treatment off the backs of his subjects.. yeahno my dude, worlds smallest violen playing.jpeg
He can wipe his cancer tears up with whatever the largest denomination of pounds you guys use is xD
But he's British and we have a good NHS so that's kinda a weird argument
I hate the royal family but for reasons that many sense
And when a president gets COVID he gets drugged up and gets the best treatment on the taxpayers dime. While the people are left with life shattering medical debt.
While these subjects can get medical treatment, for just a fraction, and no debts... Like the king...
So what is your point?
We have been playing the whole sad orchestra for you guys, seeing you push out this attitude like it is a win over something.
The president has an actual job tho??? Like wat lmao 🤣 and if you think the king is getting the same medical treatment as Mr jo British bong water, I have some EU membership to sell you.
A new tiny violin joins the choir.
And it is not the dig you wish it is. As it portrays even more that anyone in the UK, even those without an actual job, can get medical treatment without fearing massive medical debt.
That's not addressing my point of... Why is the king receiving preferential treatment? His role is ceremonial. You could make the argument he's paying for private treatment (I don't know if he is or not), if he's not why does he get to skip the NHS cancer treatment wait list? If he is paying for private..... What exactly has he personally done to allow him to have the ABILITY to pay for said treatment:| Not saying all the royals wealth should be seized for the peoplez, more why is his families life style still to my understanding being subsidized by British tax payers? The tourism they bring in would still be coming, it's not like they're going to sell Buckingham palace if the gov stopped paying for their shit.
I'm not sure I follow. I know health insurance in the US is often tied to a salaried job, so if you have one, then why would you be destitute ?
Now I'm not British, but I agree with the sentiment
If you have seen breaking bad, the premise of that show is an apt description. Insurance companies here will often deny you necessary life saving medical treatment for.. reasons
Other example: a woman with a family history of breast cancer was denied a doctor recommended mammogram to check on some potentially cancerous lumps because she has... Already had too many mammograms.
Profit incentive in the healthcare industry is no bueno:|
Lost/reduced wages from time off work, and health insurance doesn't cover everything.
Because insurance pays for a portion of your treatment, rarely 100% of it, and the moment you start racking up bigger bills, insurance starts looking for ways to not pay your claims. They'll put a hold on payment until you call them and broker a deal or they go back and forth with your doctor demanding that you receive some treatment other than what that doctor recommends.
I have Crohn's Disease, an autoimmune disorder that is often treated with immunosuppressants. First, they did not want to pay for my initial "loading dose" because it has to be done by infusion. That's a ~$25,000 procedure (3-4 hours on an IV). I talked them into it by telling them that only the first dose would be by infusion and the rest by self injection.
But when my company decided to pay for a less expensive insurance plan that started at the beginning of the year, they suddenly didn't want to pay for the injections either. Now I owe 30% of the cost of my injections. That's almost $4,000 a dose that I take every 8 weeks, about $25,000/year.
So now I use a coupon program through a separate company, and they bill the remainder of the balance to the company who produces the medicine who give me a $21,000 annual credit toward paying the remainder. So now to get my medicine I must coordinate between my doctor, a specialty pharmacy, my insurance provider, a company that runs the coupon program, and the company that produces the medicine... Just to get a syringe delivered to me on a schedule. And the credit probably won't last until the end of the year; I'll probably end up shelling out a few thousand for my meds around Christmas time this year.
If any of the complicated web of companies that collectively get me these meds doesn't have everything lined up in their system, I don't get my meds. My last dose was almost three weeks late to me because of all the calling around I had to do. Because we don't have a central health care authority, that means each company maintains their own system of record. Each phone call involves working through a phone tree to get to a human agent, working through the same set of identity verification steps with them, explaining the situation over again to a different person every time...
It's a real pain in the ass, and they do it on purpose to get you to give up. Having insurance doesn't mean your health care is paid for, and you pay a premium (hundreds of dollars) on every paycheck to keep the insurance that still doesn't pay for your medical costs. Having health insurance does not mean you don't still pay through the teeth for your health care. Having health insurance does not mean that health care is accessible to you. Having insurance that makes health care accessible today does not mean they won't change the rules behind your back, and that you will still have access to health care tomorrow.
what the actual fuck..... thanks for sharing your story and I wish you courage. Have you considered moving ? given the severity of your condition ?
It's always a consideration, but the question is where would we move to (and how much am I willing to uproot my family)? Canada is a nice place with a better healthcare system, so maybe there? But that's expensive all on its own, and I have to consider that I have two autistic kiddos who are currently receiving their education at the best school in the state for special ed kiddos. Is it worth it? Maybe not. For now, I think we should stay where we are. I love it here, except for the high cost of my own care. Think I'd rather stick it out and fight for a better system here. Maybe we can improve things for everyone instead of jumping ship.
All things considered, their situation is not as bad as it could be. I had a job where one of my duties was to get prior authorizations for every procedure we did in an oncology-focused plastic surgery clinic. The vast majority of the procedures were breast reconstruction following mastectomy and skin cancer excisions. I had an insurance company demand documentation and evidence of medical need to close the incision site after excising the melanoma. They were gracious enough to allow the excision without requiring a prior authorization, but in order for the surgeon to close that incision (or in this particular case, fill in the area with a skin graft because the amount of skin to be removed precluded a simple closure), we had to file a mountain of paperwork on a tight deadline because the procedure couldn't wait more than a week or so.
I've also worked in hospitals, and every hospital I've worked in has social workers on staff to help patients line up emergency insurance coverage or financial assistance for emergency medical care. I never actually saw the bills for it, but we treated a kiddo that was a bystander in a drive-by shooting that was transferred to our hospital from another ER so that they could have the pediatric trauma surgeons try to fix his femur. So that's two top-level ER visits, an ambulance ride, an ICU stay, and probably a bunch of surgeries and associated hospitalizations...because this 2 year old got hit in the leg with a stray bullet. The total almost certainly topped 7 digits. Shit's fucked, yo.
i mean we have the nhs in the uk, so it's not really the same as the us since everyone here has access to the nhs
it's pretty silly to say they live off the backs of uk taxpayers when royalist tourism brings in more tax revenue than anything.
The royal family brings in a net positive amount of revenue of you account for receipts from added tourism and spending. The expenses for shipping around the US President for example is another story.
I can't speak for other tourists, but I don't need the royals to actually still exist to be interested in seeing their accoutrements strewn about museums and to walk through their former palaces to admire the woodworking and gilding.
Do you want a list of the atrocities committed by the English monarchy?
Hate for this family is deserved
I dislike the royals, but ultimately any person suffering with cancer is deserving of sympathy.
Please for the love of anything you love stop crying for monarchists and bring back the guillotine. For FUCKS SAKE YOU'RE LITERALLY THINKING LIKE A MIDDLE AGES SERF. GOD EMPEROR SHIT RIGHT HERE
If any of you fucking liberals ever say ANYTHING about communist countries having cults of personality I'm going to haul ass and personally take shits inside your house that will leave you confused for years to come
for this guy, who leeches off the work of real human beings and hides child rapists from justice? absolutely, my hate for him is a source of strength and pride, I'm glad to have it on display.
Yeah the news and world news subs really took a tumble of late. I came for some modicum of intellectual debate, but it's a shame how quickly that derails.
So if he croaks and his brother and sister and niece and her fried Stacie all croak, who's going to be kind? You guess it! Rufus the cat.
Remember all the circlejerking about how Lemmy was kinder than Reddit? Nah it's the same maybe worse, with a heavy heaping of communism sprinkled in.
Except Souphanouvong of Laos, he was cool. Pu-Yi after getting a real job of gardener also could count.
Maybe you should go wash your mouth after all the bootlicking.
The guy was born into an anachronistic system where he has had absolute privilege and his family indulged in political interference (a lot to their own benefit) despite claiming to just be impartial figureheads.
Last summer a football player had to campaign to keep free school meals going through the summer so millions of kids in poverty could fucking eat.
So what if some privilege cunt has arse cancer?
Lmfao apparently it's "bootlicking" to point out a criminally online take. I, for one, don't think people should be judged based on circumstances out of their control, like where or when they were born. There are plenty of reasons to dislike the dude, like no really there are so god damn many, but him being born into it is not one of them.
I'm not even saying you shouldn't be pleased to see his death, just that making jokes about the suffering that occurs from cancer is a take so distant from reality of course you'll only see it online. If you are genuinely pleased by hearing about someone's cancer diagnosis, you should really do some self evaluation.
If you think him dying from that will purge the UK of the monarchy, I have a bridge to sell you. There are actual things you could do to help end it, the original comment I replied to isn't one.
I just got my first Chucky Buck this weekend, we can’t switch to a new currency this quickly! Our economy is in shambles!
See mate, the mint make a profit on money, do you think it costs £50 to run off one of them little plastic things.
Edit: just realised you were one of our dear Canadian brethren. See hoser, the Canadian mint make a profit on money, you think it costs a loonie to strike of them little metal things?
Sadly the Canadian mint takes a loss on every coin and bill. Every $50 note they create actually costs about $65 (with the tip).
Oh no. A rich person with access to the best medical care in the world is sick. What ever will we do.
