By their "logic", don't you enter into the contract to utilize the parking spots on the government-funded roads as soon as you park your car there?
Stupid people congregating together on message boards trying to game the system. Like children making arguments to stay up past bedtime.
Their whole system is based on if you're not held accountable in the moment, you're free.
America's legal system moves real fucking slow. There's people in my city that just straight up haven't used license plates for years. Because cops won't pull someone over for no plates.
Eventually they'll get an accident they can't drive away from tho, then they're getting all types of charges because you can't insure an unregistered car too.
They think because there hasn't been consequences yet, that none will ever come.
That's what's going on with these tickets too. They think it works, they don't know they're just racking up chickens that are gonna show up to roost one day.
In the meantime they make these social media posts telling everyone it works, and more people do it, which bogs the system down even more.
Their whole system is based on if you’re not held accountable in the moment
Jan6, in other words?
Exactly.
There's still idiots who claim it was ok because they were "let in" when police retreated due to violence.
By their logic a mugging has never happened, the victim decided of their own free will that losing a wallet was better than being shanked by a meth head.
So 100% legal apparently
Never mind the contract of driving on the roads to get to the parking spots. Those roads weren’t built by god, someone has to fund them.
Well god funded and created the people who built them.
Do you know god's plan better than she does?
Based on most large road networks these days, it’s hard to imagine god having a plan for his road layouts. 😁
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Government-funded means from taxes we pay, which means we are co-proprietors of funded products, which means we don't have to pay. Checkmate! Hah!
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Now remember people, it has to be exactly 45°. They will check so make sure you get a protractor or a carpenter's square.
No! There’s only one ruler! The Queen of Canadia: Dildo Turdface!
And you Rule Yourself!!!
And Donald Trump!
So that’s Three!
But it’s a Holee Trinitnitynee! So it’s only ONE!
Well apparently now she’s ‘Queen Of The World’
Super, if she is queen, then no other tribal government ever has to worry about protecting tribal sovereignty ever again. Goodbye, McGirt vs Oklahoma! Thanks for saving us all that time and money going to the Supreme Court for redress. Remember Peter from Family Guy wearing a huge sash reading "King of the Black People"?
Shit sounds like the input combinations you had to enter to activate cheats in older games
This is absolutely true, and it's not limited to parking tickets. I was getting groceries and I was asked to pay. I knew this was just a trick to get me to enter contract, so I denied the contract (yes, I signed at a 45.0 degree angle) and left with my groceries for free.
The police did unlawfully arrest me though, so I am seeking a civil rights lawyer.
This guy is a liar, don't believe him. I was the cashier and I can tell you that he signed at a 44.3° angle (we're required to keep a protractor at every register for this exact reason), the peace officer was right to arrest him.
Make sure you pay the lawyer in cut up tissue paper with period blood on it in Lou of actual "monies". Oh and leave an upper decker for them for giving power to the lizards people rules.
The weird rules they come up with always make me laugh. Red ink at a 45 degree angle?
It's like some incantation from a fantasy story or something. How do go so far down a rabbit hole that you think you have wizard powers that you can use by simply writing things in a weird way?
Like do they imagine the clerk is there with a protractor and is like "damn, it's 45 degrees, nothing we can do about this one!" Or is it like the clerk will go into a trance and be compelled by their magic incantation to throw the ticket out?
The thing is sovcits get little bits of truth, exaggerate them, and string a bunch randomly together. For the 45 degree thing, one way to revoke a will in some U.S. states is to clearly write something like VOID on it. To avoid not being clear enough, best practice would be big red letters at an angle across the text. But also, there are easier and more normal ways to void it.
Point bring, I feel somebody saw something like that and took away that red text + angle = get out of jail free. Which, no, that's not how law works.
Source: am US lawyer.
Is it possible that such shenanigans do sometimes work like a confusion spell? Like a clerk sees that, is legally obligated to review this under the law but can't, would have to give this to some other department or something and then it gets shuffled away and never processed? Like an "appeal to bureaucracy" or something haha.
I can't stop thinking about the thumbprint!
I even made a comment wondering it's purpose hoping for an answer.
This seems to be the closest to an answer I can give you: https://www.vox.com/2016/2/9/10942860/sovereign-citizens-movement
Even one of the researchers interviewed who specializes in sovcits doesn't know why exactly the fingerprint, but I've seen it lots in the groups.
I imagine them carefully measuring it to find it's at 44.5 degrees and thus doesn't count.
TILA-RESPA of 2015. Extends only to banking institutions in limited situations related to home loans. 12 USC ch. 27.
You cannot just read a single sentence from that act, the three day period, and just randomly apply it everywhere. And I have no idea where the 45⁰ thing comes from but sounds right up there with bay leaves and candles.
Obey the law. #NotLegalAdvice
What’s funnier is using laws of a nation they’re saying don’t apply to them as protection for their nonsense.
Ok, but why is it important that it be written at a 45 degree angle? What if it’s at 46 or 44? Does it still work?
It's probably impossible to get a perfect 45 degree angle. Even a lab environment could probably only get it accurate to some high number of decimal points.
As long as I have a better lab, I can prove it wasn't 45 degrees and hence would be invalid.
Anything outside of 5 arc seconds from 45° is considered a supplemental contract, which would require initial from the revisor and initial from the district attorney's office, magistrate, governor, or sheriff. This is all established under the contract law established under the 437th revision to the code of Hammurabi under the Governor's office of Antigua, codified by Sir Thomas Warner.
Learn the law sheeple!
tbf this is just what handwriting looks like for gen z at least. we got rid of cursive and we mostly type things nowadays
It's everyone, even people who were taught cursive in school can't really do it anymore because we don't do it anymore.
I started journaling again and it takes serious mental effort to write in cursive and I'm old enough to remember when we had to hand write assignments because general access to computers was still brand new.
The ticket is an offer for you to defend yourself in court. Declining that offer is equivalent to pleading guilty in most places.
WTF does "cause without dishonor or recourse to me" mean? It sounds like the words are all out of order lol
It's "hereby refused for cause,
Without dishonor or recourse to me."
As in, without it being a blemish on their reputation or action made against them.
As stupid as their argument and attempt are, that phrase made sense to me.
So in other words "I'm allowed to break the law with impunity and you can't ever say anything bad about me because I'm special"?
It's basically being told you owe money and in response saying, "Yeah no thanks on that debt. I refuse to accept it. But don't think less of me or let it affect anything else you're still doing for me or that I feel entitled to!"
And if that sounds completely ridiculous it's because it is.
I interpreted this as saying "I disagree with owing a debt and believe I'm entitled to refute it under the law so do not take this as an unlawful action". Kind of like pleading not guilty and demanding a trial instead of submitting or running away.
I think this is basically it. But they think that's the final word so get flustered when they respond with: "No you owe us the money".
They seem to believe that they can benefit from services without paying for them or following the law. Fundamentally I like the idea of being independent from the nation... But if you want to use their roads, shops, health services, etc you need to abide by their laws and terms. They think they can just say some magic words and now they don't have to. It's insanity. Very literally, they must have some notable mental health issues to think this is logical.
They are basically anarchists which I like, except they still subscribe to english common law or something. Anarchy means that any authority needs to be justified or justify itself or else be null and void. So I kind of agree with their philosophy, since democracy in the US is like a joke. It's really literally a plutocracy with some minor democratic impact.
Of course in the real world they are nuts of course and their tactics are silly. And they tend to have bad ideas otherwise too.
LPT: Mutter "without dishonor or recourse to me" intermittently all day so nothing bad happens to you ever.
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I love how they just make up laws and then believe that it's real. Contact law exists... but this is nothing to do with contact law. This is more closely related to belief in the tooth fairy than it is to any actual legal facts.
And the 45 degree writing is just the icing on the idiocy cake.
I swear to god, if I was more conspiracy minded I'd say this kind of awful advice was some kind of effort by private prison contractors to increase the incarcerated population.
Ever notice how everything is certified mail. It's all a scam by Big Postal to drive up certified mail income. Wake up sheeple!
This is more closely related to belief in the tooth fairy
I mean ... at least belief in the tooth fairy used to work for all of us. Sovcit shit has never worked, for anybody ever.
I just wonder why they are spreading this misinformation.
Did they try it and for some reason it worked that one time?
Or are they actively malicious trying to get as many Sovcits arrested for the laugh?
Im sure there's some trolls out there pushing it just to watch people get arrested, jailed, sick, poisoned or dead.
Like the troll post about producing a potent hallucinogen by fermenting ones own faeces -Jenkem
Or the one about producing a morphine substitute from banana skins - Bananadine
Or the sugar-heavy, high temperature peanut butter cookie recipe that actually produces, not cookies, but an oven fire.
I could go on...
No, it's cool in this case because they tried to force a contract "without dishonor." You see, that's an important detail because sometimes people seem to have a stroke while coming up with this shit.
It only works if it is precisely 45 degrees, and the court has a flag without a fringe.
Or is it wit a fringe?
I can't keep up.
Then you mail this to three of your friends before three days pass or your dog will die.
Can you please make this a TV show kind of like Dateline where they embarrass pedophiles? Excuse me sir sir I clearly refused to contract on that ticket sir was it not in red at a clear 45. Why are you detaining me clunk as face strikes door frame of cop car sir the sovereign state of bob is now at war with you! clunk DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY DIPLOMATIC IIIIIMUUUUNITAI
Morrish citizens claim diplomatic immunity and it's glorious, especially when all their friends with fez's show up.
No, I'm pretty sure you entered into the "contract" by parking on municipal property that had "pay here" notices everywhere and an obvious kiosk to pay.
"That darned lawbreaker figured out all the right words to say, and in the correct order too! My hands are tied!" -some hapless clerk.
Bailiffs will confiscate your red marker so you can’t write your refusal in any paperwork. Check. And. Mate.
So why do only ever see sovereign citizen posts on this sub? Surely Facebook has a cornucopia of insanity to choose from.
Cause the only one who actually uploads here is really into Sovcits.
You can help by uploading your own found insane social media posts.
The latest Maga/Qanon thing isn't so interesting anymore because they aren't really very creative. It's more of the same. The Sov Cit crowd has no end of chicanery to look at.
"you paid online, but you explicitly refused to pay by mail, and refusing to pay a citation is a civil infraction. Please report to traffic court."
Never underestimate the power of the clerk to waste your time harder. They're getting paid to be there, after all. :)
Is that like when you use "inspect HTML" to modify the text of an EULA before agreeing to it?
That's actually interesting because with actual contracts you can redline or change things and then sign it.
But I don't think EULAs are explicitly contracts and I doubt that would hold up because their wasn't a "meeting of the minds" regardless. Plus that language isn't saved anywhere for your epic legal battle.