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Qualcomm CEO says that the next version of Windows is due in mid 2024 - place your bets on Windows 11 24H2 or Windows 12

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/qualcomm-ceo-says-that-the-next-version-of-windows-is-due-in-mid-2024-place-your-bets-on-windows-11-24h2-or-windows-12

Windows 12, an AI update, or something else?

Qualcomm CEO says that the next version of Windows is due in mid 2024 - place your bets on Windows 11 24H2 or Windows 12::Qualcomm's CEO alludes to the "next version of Windows" with a launch date in the middle of the year.

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sulunia

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Win11 is just win10 with (basically) enforced hardware security TPM. So, you know, websites and shit know your hardware is legit, to check if you're allowed to play that sweet 4k video you already pay that subscription for.

ExfilBravo

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Curious what they do when I add "DisableTPMCheck" to the registry during install to make it go on ancient hardware?

GiveOver

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So far the only thing I've noticed is I can't play Valorant, and soon League of Legends too.

sulunia

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I say they'll just know they can't trust your OS install completely, so it may refuse to serve you HD content, or maybe some banking stuff can fail.. some online game may not work, etc.

I haven't taken time to actually read about it unfortunately, but I feel like this whole TPM thing is just gonna be PC enshittification vector. I wish I'm wrong about this...

Max_P

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So much for Windows 10 being the last Windows.

KairuByte

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This was news orgs taking one single employees words and making them gospel. It was never anything Microsoft actually said.

furzegulo

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no thanks. you can pry windows 10 off of my ssd from it's cold dead corpse.

ocassionallyaduck

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*tale as old as time... *

"XP is ruining windows with their damn duplo looking themes and primary colors. Pry 98 SE from my cold dead hands"

*true as it can be... *

"Windows 7 was the last time Microsoft cared, and 8.1 and 10 are regressions in every way. You'll pry it from my cold dead hands"

"Windows X9 Delta was the final version when MicroAmazon cared about holographic interfaces. I'll never use Windows X10 Gamma."

darkevilmac

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Windows 11 is weird to me, I feel like I've only heard negative things about it but actually using it on a daily basis has been fine with a few tweaks. Using nilesoft shell and ear trumpet was basically all I needed to be satisfied.

That's not really unique to 11 though, I've had to tweak things on basically every windows version. Whether that was classic shell with 8, or clover for tabs in file explorer for 7.

At the very least Windows 11 seems to have a more consistent design language across the OS. It feels a lot less half baked than the style changes they did on 8 and 10.

wizardbeard

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I understand the resistance to change, and the pain in the ass of moving to a new OS, but moving 10 to 11 isn't that huge of a leap. Especially if you know what you're doing configuration wise.

Having used both, I maintain that learning a Linux distro is, in the best case, an equivalent amount of work to configuring Windows 11.

ocassionallyaduck

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Explorer Patcher if you need a vertical taskbar. Otherwise MS has been gradually adding the most requested features.

Not justifying what's missing, but a lot of people didn't understand just how big an overhaul they performed on the core UI. Explorer file manager and the main taskbar GUI have both updated, and the taskbar GUI is a new one from scratch that carries over 98% of features.

This kind of deeper update was long overdue, and makes the experience using 11 on a mixed use tablet a lot nicer frankly, bringing 11 closer to a unified tablet/desktop OS as it needs to be.

Tristaniopsis

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I’m not a back-end wizard so I don’t know shit, but windows 11 is fine as far as my daily driver goes.

XenGi

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Last Windows I activity used was 2000. After that I switched to Linux and never looked back. I hope Windows increases their shitification as hard as they can to finally drive people away from it. There are so little reasons nowadays to still use it. Apart from competitive gaming (in kernel anti cheat) and some proprietary apps that have no good alternative, Linux and macos should be able to support everyone's needs.

pineapplepizza

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I am fairly computer literate but Every time I install Linux I always come across an issue I can't fix without "days" worth of research to fix. This is across *buntu, Mint, Manjaro and PopOS. Last issue was getting a second HDD to work correctly. I don't think Linux will ever be as user friendly for the masses who just need something that works.

AnUnusualRelic

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It all depends on what you're familiar with.

I could tell your story with windows instead of linux.

DingoBilly

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Same. I'd consider myself a computer tinkerer but Linux is just a pain to use when it doesn't work.

When it's basic comparability stuff that has been figured out for years in its competitors than I just can't be fucked wasting my time on it.

XenGi

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Same applies to every other OS. It depends on what you're used to and what you expect. I frequently rage quit apple devices. Just use whatever you feel comfortable with. I just can't recommend windows anymore for privacy related reasons.

Adanisi

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Have you considered that the problem isn't the distro developers, but the uncooperative proprietary corpos like NVidia who happily work with Microsoft but then throw a half baked proprietary driver over the wall for us?

Also, I haven't had hardware problems in a long time. If you don't use brand new hardware, everything seems to work great. The incredible hardware support we have is a miracle, considering a lot of it is written by the community and not the creators of the hardware.

DingoBilly

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Oh I agree completely that it is an issue with say NVidia in this case. But it's also pretty reasonable to understand why. You're not going to spend that many resources on a small market segment when most of it is just Windows at end of day, so makes sense to optimise for that distribution.

And fair enough for the rest. I haven't tried in the last 5 years or so and it has generally been when upgrading to a brand new comp and deciding which OS to use so could just be bad timing on my part.

Adanisi

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I understand your point. It does make sense that NVidia wouldn't spend so much time on small market share, but they don't even so much as share documentation on how the hardware works, they lock out independent drivers from changing the clock speed, and their driver does things differently than everything else, just because.

Da_Boom

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In a same but more drastic vein, you'd have to chop me up and shit In my corpse before I switch back to windows on my home PCs, it's bad enough I have to use win10 at work imo (I ain't installing win11 there untill I'm forced to)

furzegulo

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yeah, i use windows only for some games which don't work so well on linux and currently the newest nvidia drivers are again kind of shit, but as soon as nvk is stable enough to daily drive, i'll nuke the windows installation and never look back.

Da_Boom

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I finally switched to AMD on my main desktop. Holy crap does it just work. I went straight for hyprland over my previous XFCE based desktop.

I enjoy tinkering so having some programs that just work and some that need a little push is great for me. Gaming is pretty easy these days - games that straight up don't run I just don't buy, and protonDB or even the proton issue tracker and wineDB for tips and tricks.

However with DEs I tend to set one up, and keep it how I set it up. I had XFCE for a total of 3 years with no changes. Hopefully I can do the same with Hyprland. I usually only try a new one when reinstalling Linux.

DharmaCurious

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I'm not a power user or anything, and don't understand most of the things in computing. I'm a basic user with mostly basic needs. But the only thing that ever gets me back on windows is when my college requires a program specific to a class. Linux is just freaking better, even at the very basic, mostly doing browser based shit level.

QuarterSwede

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I get the hate for change but as a user who really doesn’t like Windows overall* I like the 11 changes. I actually prefer the new context menu (which can be disabled) and UI. Do I hate the useless widgets and ad spam? Yes. But I just don’t use it, instead opting for the weather taskbar info.

It’s still no macOS but if I’m forced to use it for work then it’s better than 10 in my opinion.

*DLL Hell, Registry bloat, installation files being thrown god knows where, lack of widespread disk image support, abysmal wake from sleep/hibernation, Microsoft trying to upsell everywhere.

wwtw

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My opinion is that copilot is the focus for 24. Microsoft has lots of development and marketing around copilot and how it works in 11, Edge, Bing, M365, and all the other Microsoft Graph yada yada fancy apps stuff. Launching 12 now would be an unnecessary distraction away from all copilot investments.

yarr

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I guess they really were full of shit.

Microsoft has been discussing the idea of Windows as a service, but the company hasn't really explained exactly how that will play out with future versions of Windows. That might be because there won't really be any future major versions of Windows in the foreseeable future. Microsoft has altered the way it engineers and delivers Windows, and the initial result is Windows 10. Instead of big releases, there will be regular improvements and updates. Part of this is achieved by splitting up operating system components like the Start Menu and built-in apps to be separate parts that can be updated independently to the entire Windows core operating system. It's a big undertaking, but it's something Microsoft has been actively working on for Windows 10 to ensure it spans across multiple device types.

https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows

Blaster_M

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Probably Win11-24 update. If MS goes Surprise Win12, well, it'll be time to upgrade... again

SomeGuy69

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Give me a Windows with better gaming performance and I switch right away. And if possible stop with this beta patched live rollout before testing. And FFS stop removing options to fix bloatware additions, at least just hide them for the plebs.

laurelraven

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Also, give us back the explorer ribbon that's actually functional rather than adding extra clicks for things I use regularly hiding them behind submenus

And a start menu that isn't, frankly, a joke. Even 8's was more usable than this garbage

Like, stop changing things just to change them and removing functionality that we can't get back without third party tools, that's gotten obscene lately... Nobody cares about explorer tabs, and if they did, the Windows 11 implementation of them isn't particularly good or functional anyway