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Elon Musk says Tesla workers will be sleeping on the factory floor when new $25,000 EV goes into production next year

https://www.techspot.com/news/101646-elon-musk-workers-expect-sleep-factory-floor-when.html

Speaking during Tesla's earnings call on Wednesday, Musk said he needs his teams of manufacturers and engineers to live and sleep at the Texas Gigafactory so any...

Elon Musk says Tesla workers will be sleeping on the factory floor when new $25,000 EV goes into production next year

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deegeese

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That’s a weird way of bragging about understaffing leading to overwork, but I guess it explains why they can’t kick those quality issues.

jonne

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Statements like that are just going to make it easier for the UAW to unionise those plants. Union factory workers don't sleep on the floor.

Nollij

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That does make a compelling campaign slogan. While I assume Musk's statement should not be taken literally, IIRC he made similar statements about Twitter. Shortly after, there were countless reports of how awful it suddenly became to work at Twitter.

jonne

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You're actually right, this would look great on a poster. I hadn't even considered that, it was just a statement of fact.

GlitzyArmrest

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Spoiler: it won't be $25,000.

givesomefucks

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I do t think musk will get his 25 either

In related news, Musk gave Tesla an ultimatum earlier this month: increase his ownership in the company to 25% or he will cut back on its development of AI and robotics The billionaire already owns 13% of the EV giant, or approximately 411 million shares. However, it seems he won't be happy unless he's awarded another 12%.

Another ridiculous thing, the article says this new model might comes without steering wheel or pedals... .his self driving is no where near ready for that, especially since he cheaps out and uses cameras on high end models, the cheap one is going to have even worse cameras instead of the lidar they should all have

SparrowRanjitScaur

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Give me more of the company or I'll destroy the company

harry_balzac

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...or I'll continue to destroy the company

ObviouslyNotBanana

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That's a vehicle that won't sell in Europe then lmao

aniki

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Musk is shook over that earnings report. His house of cards is falling down and he doesn't have enough rockets to keep it up. Tesla, Boring, Twitter -- all failing.

Ghostalmedia

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This guy has never been able to hit his MSRP goals.

That said, if he can’t ship a crossover for $35k, Volvo-Polestar will eat his lunch with the ex30. And like Telsa, Volvo has markup-free / commission-free purchase options. I got my last Volvo for MSRP. Ordered online with no BS.

root_beer

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If it weren’t for the whole everything-controlled-via-infotainment-screen thing, the EX30 would be on the short list for my next vehicle, but that’s a dealbreaker. I’m still rooting for Volvo, at least as much as I’d “root” for a company.

YMS

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And it won't go into production next year. But workers will still be treated like shit.

macrocephalic

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I bet they're taking pre-orders with a deposit though

WaxiestSteam69

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I'll be really surprised if he makes that date.

JoeKrogan

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Because fuck family time ... This dude wants slaves. He can get fucked

Nfamwap

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Old habits die hard

macrocephalic

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Where do you think his seed money came from?

goferking0

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Why do you think he wants to get to mars quickly

Facelesscog

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It's only a matter of time before one of the mega-corps figures out how to lease prisoners as cheap and expendable workers.

lolcatnip

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That has been happening for a long time already.

indomara

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/12/12/alabama-prison-labor-lawsuit/

It's already been going on for decades.

ApeNo1

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Lots of interesting articles and research talking about the problem of many CEOs exhibiting psychopathic traits but it being accepted. For example.

https://fortune.com/2021/06/06/corporate-psychopaths-business-leadership-csr/

“Our culture also glorifies and rewards successful leaders who may lie somewhere on the spectrum of psychopathy or who, if not actually psychopathic, nevertheless display traits that psychopathic individuals frequently have. The problem, of course, is that while psychopaths may have a lot of charisma and creativity, they may also lack, as already mentioned, socially important qualities such as empathy and morality.”

the_q

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Anamnesis

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The key thing is that it's not our culture, it's the material interests of the rich that elevate psychopaths to power. The culture follows.

aniki

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This country was founded on rich assholes who didnt like the monarchy. It's always been about greed. You think the starving plebs gave a fuck about tea in a harbor?

Voroxpete

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You say that as if capitalism doesn't exist outside of the USA.

TrueStoryBob

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Yeah, it does exist elsewhere; I think the point they're making is that it is apparent the United States was founded specifically for the interests of landowning (and slave owning) rich people. While not unique globally, the USA was probably the first country intentionally founded to protect the capitalist instead of the nobility or a religious group.

KingThrillgore

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I do! I want some of that forbidden jungle juice in the boastan haabar!

dejected_warp_core

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rich assholes who didnt like the monarchy.

Rich assholes who felt the monarchy was taking their money. All talk of justification aside, it's entirely possible they took this stance simply because they were 3000 miles away, with a dangerous ocean crossing required to close that gap, and felt that made ignoring the tax bill worth the risk.

SendMePhotos

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Preach

dejected_warp_core

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Yup. Sadly, having broken moral compass and lacking empathy can be obscenely profitable in the right circles. I honestly think that's all that is propping these guys up anymore.

Also, we used to attribute "boldness" to psycopaths/sociopaths but it turns out that's bunk and they're really "just mean". So the apologists out there have, yet again, one less thing to work with. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/202201/no-there-are-no-benefits-psychopathy

KingThrillgore

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And as we saw with the "My 0th Blender Model (because we all know your first model is a somewhat decent donut)," these people have no creativity.

obinice

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Damn, he's admitting his company is so close to collapse that everyone will have to literally sleep on the floor there just to try to save the business?

Bold move.

steve_floof

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It worked for Twitter, right…. Right…?

winterayars

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Man i don't wanna buy a car made by people who aren't sleeping in a bed. Come on, now.

kent_eh

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Tesla's quality control is already shit.

Imagine how much worse it could get if the workers are even more sleep deprived.

kusuriya

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Saying we expect our employees to act as slaves, weird flex there Space Karen.

crystalmerchant

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Wasn't the model 3 supposed to be the affordable version

TheFriar

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Is $25k affordable? How much are cars? 25k sounds like a fuckload of money.

greybeard

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For a new car? $25k is a pretty low price, at least in the US. My car was $24k new 10 years ago. It wasn't particularly special then.

Peppycito

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Supposedly my 2016 Corolla was 25k I think. But after all the fees and taxes and shit I feel like it was closer to 30k. All I know for real was that it was about $10/day for 7 years.

*Canadian $

MedicPigBabySaver

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$25K for a full electric car is the lowest price ever in the U.S.

I paid $21K for a used gasoline Honda Civic coupe just 2 years ago.

the_q

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ozymandias117

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I paid 19k off the lot for a brand new Honda Civic in 2018

Kelly Blue Book lists it as 17-18k now after I’ve driven it all these years

I think people are surprised because price gouging on cars has increased so rapidly

SparrowRanjitScaur

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Some people pay like $60-80k for those big trucks you see

xpinchx

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I live in a shitty neighborhood. The amount of Audi, bmw, Porsche SUVs is crazy.

greybeard

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The trick is, luxury cars drop in value insanely fast. A 2 year old Audi is often about the same price as a new Honda. The problem these people don't account for is maintenance costs. They think they are getting a deal, then they are getting dragged down by an unreliable vehicle that they can't afford to fix.

TrueStoryBob

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They think they are getting a deal, then they are getting dragged down by an unreliable vehicle that they can't afford to fix.

If memory serves, the outliers here are Lexus and Audi which both score high on reliability ratings. I could be wrong though, is been a couple of years since I looked into owning a car.

greybeard

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True, Lexus is a Toyota brand, and at least historically shared a lot of parts with Toyota cars, so maintenance wasn't always crazy. In the case of Audi, they might be quite reliable, but I know repairs/maintenance, when needed, is very expensive.

WaxiestSteam69

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Lexus is probably highly reliable but Audi's have the same problem as other German makes- tons of cheap plastic under the hood that disintegrates at around the 5 year mark. There are lots of YouTube videos about it.

macrocephalic

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Yeah I've been keeping an eye on old beaters just to drop my kids to school and a 20yo Volvo SUV is as cheap as a 20yo Mazda.

magnus

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Big bucks for big trucks?

moon

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$25k is actually very affordable for what new cars go for. That was deemed affordable 10 years ago, so hitting that price point today is an even bigger deal.

NewNewAccount

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How much do you think a new car costs?

LemmyKnowsBest

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about as much as a banana, Michael

empty04

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So, what, I don't know, $10?

Iwasondigg

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Go see a Star War.

drmeanfeel

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Affordable? No, not to many people's finances

Relatively cheap for a new car? Unfortunately

A tough combination in a country where having a car is essentially mandatory in all but a few cities

macrocephalic

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USD25K would buy you a sports spec Hyundai hatch, or a low spec 2wd SUV in Australia.

Wiz

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How much does a banana cost? $25,000?

captainlezbian

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But they don’t need a union

dangblingus

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Sounds like a shitty boss. Also, I think OHSA is gonna have a field day with this.

WaxiestSteam69

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Once the courts are done with federal agencies Deals won't have to worry about OSHA.

GBU_28

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Anyone qualified to work on his production line can work on another. Or many many other mechanical/production roles.

I question anyone who would work those hours, sleep in the facility, accept the oats, and still whine.

GladiusB

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The problem is who is hiring. Tesla's factory is the only big factory in an area where there are not other big car factories. Good luck finding another job in the area of Fremont.

GBU_28

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Understood, but I'm saying ultimately these are skilled, desirable workers who should be seeking new opportunities NOW

BeautifulMind

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Welp. It's time for Tesla workers to unionize, and hard

WHYAREWEALLCAPS

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Won't happen in Texas. There are so many people in this state convinced that unions are a horrible evil. Then they complain about how their job mistreats them, doesn't pay them enough, etc, etc, etc. You know, all the problems a union fixes. These people here are the very definition of sheeple.

WeirdGoesPro

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Howdy, partner. 🤠

steve_floof

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Tesla already has the highest accident risk, are they trying to increase their lead?

the_frumious_bandersnatch

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Who is this message even for? Not the workers obviously. Does it instill the investors with confidence? "Production is so poorly managed and staffed that we have to rely on people working overtime." Does it increase demand? "Come buy these vehicles assembled by overworked, sleep-deprived line workers, hope it works out if you get in an wreck!" It's entirely for his own ego.

Sensitivezombie

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This guy probably thinks he's doing his employees a favor by paying them for the work they perform for him

Leviathan

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This is why the simple existence of billionaires is violence. You simply cannot become filthy rich without profiting off of the suffering of others. This motherfucker could pay people enough to never have to even consider sleeping on a factory floor. Hell, he could probably double his workforce and still pay that well and be filthy rich.

Snapz

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Delivered 4 - 8 years later, $25,000 more, 50 mile range, no screen and a radio tuned only to a station where his favorite coward of the moment reads their abhorent tweets

JoshuaFalken

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You're right and I agree, but on another note, it'd be nice if vehicles in general could be made with no screen again.

avidamoeba

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UAW

ilmagico

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There are rumors that it could come without a steering wheel or any pedals to lower costs

Ehm what? Full self driving (and self crashing)??

GoodEye8

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Unless they found another legal loophole this will not happen. The reason Tesla can public test their FSD is because, legally, it's only autonomous level 2 and the responsibility falls on the driver. But autonomous level 2 also requires the steering wheel because the driver is supposed to keep their hands on the wheel at all times. No wheel means no level 2 and no level 2 means stricter regulations and stricter regulations most likely means higher costs.

myrdinn

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