Gin? Genetics? Giant?
Do you pronounce Origin like Oregon?
I personally find arguing pronunciation as entirely pointless when there are many words in English that get pronounced different based on a multitude of factors.
People also like to argue it's an acronym, but do you pronounce NASA the same as you pronounce the first letter of each word of National Aeronautics and Space Administration?
Honestly? Just say it how it makes sense to you.
Not to mention the creator of GIF prefers the JIF pronunciation.
It doesn't really matter, but I find the hard g folks have a stick up their ass about it.
Yeah, I have friends who say it with a hard g and I never say a damn thing, but I say jif once and it's "jraphics" this and "jod" that. I get it, you watched that stupid video in 2012, congrats.
Maybe we should up the ante on this war, and start actively making fun of those who be hating on peanut butter. There are plenty of arguments for either pronunciation, but jiffers are losing the war bc we’re being so passive. Just living our lives, as if the pronunciation of a word doesn’t fucking matter if everyone knows what you mean…. We need to eradicate the culture of soft-g giffers
Besides, if we pronounce all acronyms that way then NASA should be pronounced Nay-suh. Pronouncing it with a hard G because it stands for Graphic isn't consistent with other acronyms.
I understand your point in the creator but I find fault in that argument.
Historically it doesn’t matter what the creator of anything prefers unless it’s an “unveiling” and they name it on the spot. People in general will take something and run with it regardless of the creators intent. The perfect example is “light saber” versus “laser sword.” (Edit forgot to add the word sword after laser)
To be honest I don’t care all that much. If you say jif or gift without the t, either way I know what you are talking about.
The problem isn't people preferring to pronounce it gif or jif, it's people saying that pronouncing it the other way is wrong. Both are acceptable.
Hahahahaha!
OMG what a terrible take.
One is CLEARLY and unambiguously WRONG, and to the point where it should be a public shaming event when it’s used.
Historically it doesn’t matter what the creator of anything prefers unless it’s an “unveiling” and they name it on the spot.
I can't for the life of me find it now, but the gif was introduced with an image that contained in its metadata a statement that "it's pronounced jif". You can still find it somewhere and open it in notepad and read it for yourself.
To me, "gif" just looks like "gift" without the final "t", which is why I pronounce it exactly the same until the t
People also like to argue it's an acronym, but do you pronounce NASA the same as you pronounce the first letter of each word of National Aeronautics and Space Administration?
Um, yes?
I’m assuming we’re talking about the two A letters here, since nothing comes to mind about a different pronunciation of N or S in American English.
In American English - at least in my experience - the first sound in aeronautics is exactly the same as in “air,” which is also the same as in “administration.” We don’t generally say it as in “ear-onautocs.”
Also, I’m curious - has anyone ever published a study describing whether or not the difference in pronunciation differs between sectors in the computer science community? Particularly, is there a difference between normal developers and those who write in a Lisp?
SCUBA, LASER, JPEG, ROM, etc. all break the "pronounced as the nested word" argument.
I'm down for people to pronounce it however they please (assuming it's recognizable as gif), but the post-hoc rationalizations trying to prove their side as the one true pronunciation are silly. The only rationalization that makes any sense to me is the "creator pronounces it as jif", but language doesn't work that way so even that doesn't matter as far as "one true pronunciation" goes.
If aer in aeronautics is pronounced like air, and the A in NASA is pronounced like the aer in aeronatucis, then NASA rhymes with mesa, not tessa.
I always pronounced NASA like naassuh, but I wanna try the mesa-rhyming version to mess with people.
I get the gist of what you are saying but gingerly I will inform you that my giraffe giblets are cold
Sorry, that was just gibberish
English is inconsistent, and my arguments are too, but I know I'm right and will die on this hill.
Gift is one of the exceptions to a clearly demonstrated pattern. In fact, there are so few such words that there is a wikipedia article that lists them.
Well, as always, the collective will rule on how language is used and which words are exceptions that prove a rule.
There's always some guy who thinks pronouncing acronyms has anything to do with the words they stand for.
I'm gonna take an embarrassing JPEG of this and then go SCUBA diving
When I worked at a computer store (basically the store from viva l dirt league) a lady came in and kept trying to order a jizz of RAM. We had a great time getting her to say it repeatedly.
"Pacific ocean" has each "c" pronounced differently. This is just an English thing. Makes for great puns "I'm not sick, it's just a little COFFIN" but when it comes down to acronyms you guys are lost.
Pardon me while I go feed my giant geriatric giraffe, George. He likes generic foods, so long as they are germ free and genetically unmodified.
Afterwards, I'm gonna hit the gym, gently gesticulate while talking to someone about geography, geometry, and genetics, maybe consume some protein gel packs.
As a genuine gesture of gentlemanly genius, my genuine German genie will conjure up some gems to pay for everything.
Get the gist of what I'm saying?
This morning, I'm off to groom the goats and gather fresh eggs from the geese. The greenhouse needs tending too, with its gourds and guava plants.
After that, I'll glide on my skateboard along the gritty pavement, feeling the cool gusts. For lunch, perhaps a grilled cheese sandwich with gouda, and a glass of grapefruit juice.
In the afternoon, a game of golf awaits, grueling yet galvanizing. And as dusk falls, I'll gaze at the glimmering stars, grasping the grandeur of the galaxy.
Then I'll grab my guitar, gleefully strumming glorious melodies.
Next, I'll gear up for gaming, getting into go-kart racing and guild quests. Great for unwinding and igniting gusto.
Then, on to grub: guacamole with garlic, garnished with green onions, alongside golden tortilla chips, goulash, gumbo, gazpacho, gravy, granola, gorgonzola, and graham crackers. A gourmet, gratifying snack.
Later, I'll grab my gardening guide, to gain groundbreaking insights on growing gardenias. Guiding the creation of a grand, lush grove is very gratifying.
Before bed, a glance at tomorrow's goals: glazing pottery, a new, gripping hobby.
Does this give a good glimpse into my day?
Most of your hard g's have a consonant as the second letter, I don't think it's as strong of an argument.
PHOTOGRAPHIC. PHOTOGRAPHIC. PHOTOGRAPHIC. It's pronounced j-feg.
Acronyms don't give a fuck what the original pronunciation of the words used to make them are. Sorry, you lose.
If "gif" has to be pronounced with a hard G because it stands for "graphics," then the P in "jpeg" has to be pronounced like an F because it stands for "photographic."
The only rule that matters is common usage. One is the original, one is the alternative, but both pronunciations are used, therefore both are valid.
Any other argument is stupid.
Correct, the file type was named to sound like the peanut butter as described in the documentation, "Choosy developers choose gif," because the name is a pun. The word "jif" means a short amount of time. "I'll send it to you in a gif" is a play on that similarity.
But like many technical terms, more people were reading the word than using the word, and people don't read manuals. Then for whatever reason some fake liguists made up some bullshit rules for pronouncing acronyms, and that argument took hold.
Whatever the reason, the hard "g" pronunciation has caught on, and is now also an acceptable pronunciation.
It is infact Graphics Interchange format. Not Jirafics Interchange format.
I know the creator pronounces it Jif, but there are lots of people in the world who pronounce things wrong.
I offer up “niche”. It’s actually not nitch no matter how many people say it like that.
Lookit all the nerds I triggered. Popcorn time!
Just like JPEG is pronounced as a JFEG, cause it stands for Joint Photographic Experts Group.
"There are lots of people in the world who pronounce things wrong"
"Its actually not nitch no matter how many people say it like that"
You're this close to getting it.
Scuba is Self-Contained Underwater Breathing Apparatus. Do you pronounce it the acronym with a short U or a long U?
Wait till you find out the data embarrasses you.
What did the creator of the GIF name them? Imagine if a bunch of people read your name wrong, then when you told them how it’s pronounced said that they don’t care, and your mom was wrong to pronounce your name that way.
That's what happened to aluminium. Sir Humphrey Davey came up with aluminum in 1812 but his peers decided it wasn't classical sounding enough.
I refuse to call it anything but Aluminum just for that. I find it insulting to Sir Humphrey Davey that his naming rights were basically stolen by someone completely unrelated.
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Eh, I prefer the descriptivist method of language. It's how language evolves over time.
Comparing it to a personal name is a false equivalence. GIF is an acronym, people could enunciate each letter if they so preferred and it would be more accurate/true to creation than even the creator's opinion of how to pronounce it.
It's not a false equivalence. He named it after the penun butter brand. It was specifically named to be pronounced a certain way.
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Oh, okay. That only combats my point about it being a false equivalence. At the end of the day, it's an acronym.
I just don’t think that usual linguistic rules should apply to a thing that a guy literally invented and named.
The person who invented it gets to name it.
Except he didn't invent the words used to name what he invented. If he had just named it gif and pronounced it jif and non of those letters stood for anything I would see your point, but he didn't. He named it graphic interchange format, shortened to gif. That said, who gives a shit pronounce it how you want. Language evolves anyways.
Nobody pronounces it with a hard G because of what the G stands for. Acronyms don't work like that. They do it because a hard G is more common when starting words in English than a soft one.
I see what you’re saying, and to a point I agree. I see it as people reading it a certain way in their head and becoming attached to how they think it should sound. This happens often because English words especially can have all manner of exceptions to the usual rules of spelling and grammar. There is nothing embarrassing about reading, or at least there shouldn’t be. What I DO find embarrassing is when people find out that they’re pronouncing something differently and flat out disagree with the world about its actual pronounciation.
What I DO find embarrassing is when people find out that they’re pronouncing something differently and flat out disagree with the world about its actual pronounciation.
Man, you must be embarrassed all the time when you hear British or American people talk.
Somehow the world can survive and we can understand one another with very different pronunciations of words like "Aluminum", but this... THIS WILL NOT STAND!
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I mean, it's only embarrassing for them - if they want to be loud, proud, and wrong that's okay.
But at the same time, they may well set the trend for how it's pronounced in the future.
Lord knows, waDer (i.e. water) started somewhere...
Edit: I'm guessing I offended someone by implying that saying 'wadder' is the wrong way to say water, hahaha.
What did the creator of the GIF name them?
Island was originally spelt without an 's'. It was later added as a stylistic choice and is now the "correct" spelling. Language doesn't give a fuck about original intent. If you want to be originalist about it then you need to hie back to corky English
How a computer scientist thinks words should be pronounced is not as convincing an argument as so many here seem to think.
My first name starts with a G and it's soft. Many people will read it and pronounce it hard. This argument is for my identity
Here's another to add to the pronunciation wars. RetroArch is pronounced RetroArk. Which I will die on that hill because Arch stands for either Architecture or Archive. Too many times have I heard people on YouTube make it sound like McDonald's golden arches.
The devs have stated otherwise. The project was originally announced on an Arch Linux forum, so they included a nod in the name.
Arch as in rhyming with march.
Take it from the devs
https://old.reddit.com/r/RetroArch/comments/tgy3vy/how_do_you_like_to_pronounce_the_arch_in/
https://old.reddit.com/r/RetroArch/comments/tgy3vy/how_do_you_like_to_pronounce_the_arch_in
First comment, by a Retroarch dev.
I hope you say jfeg the to be consistent, because that's how the p in photography is pronounced.
I use both interchangeably. With no pattern. Much like how programs will spell check "colour". Lives are changed in equal quantities.
There is a pattern. In the USA it is incorrectly spelled as ‘Color’. In countries where the English language has not been degraded in the same wilfully ignorant manner, it is spelled correctly as ‘colour’.