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Miscarriages in Gaza Have Increased 300% Under Israeli Bombing

https://jezebel.com/miscarriages-in-gaza-have-increased-300-under-israeli-1851168680

Humanitarian agencies say women and menstruating people are also facing alarming rates of severe infections due to Israel's blockade of supplies and water.

Miscarriages in Gaza Have Increased 300% Under Israeli Bombing

Humanitarian agencies say women and menstruating people are also facing alarming rates of severe infections due to Israel's blockade of supplies and water.

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Altofaltception

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But Israel has a right to defend itself from the unborn threat. /s

LostWon

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And apparently also the undead threat -- 16 cemeteries bulldozed, per CNN.

cmhickman358

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But did the fetuses condemn Hamas?!?!??1??!1?

LostWon

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Not any more so than the babies left to die in unpowered incubators after that gunpoint hospital evacuation.

PugJesus

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The actual war on the unborn.

roastedDeflator

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Born, unborn you name it.

Gaza 100 days on: Stop the War on Children

The killing of 10,000 children. Blasts leading to amputation—sometimes carried out without anaesthetics—and lifelong disabilities. Entire populations, including pregnant women and children, facing hunger, a quarter of them (576,600 people) at catastrophic levels, – that means at the risk of starvation and death. Warnings from the UN children’s agency that nearly 335,000 children under five in the Gaza are at “high risk of severe malnutrition and preventable death”. Thousands of children buried under the rubble and presumed dead.

The balance sheet of 100 days of war on Gaza is grim. It is a dark moment in history that we see on our television screens.

“If there is a hell on earth today, its name is northern Gaza,” in the words of one senior UN official.
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andrew_bidlaw

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IIRC there was something about women losing periods in concentration camps. Bodily functions are deeply tied to the mental state too. Even if properly fed and medically secure, I guess they'd still have a spike over fear alone.

Neon

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concentration camps

very curious about that choice of words

andrew_bidlaw

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Why? That's what nazi camps are in my language.

And english wikipedia names the the same.

Seems like I don't get you.

Neon

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nazi camps

Even more interested in that choice of words.

Elaborate please. Where are these "Concentration Camps"

Because those are fucking heavy words and i expect you have some good proof to justify their use.

Show me the industrial killing of gazans in these supposed concentrarion Camps.

Drivebyhaiku

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Technically concentration camps are not limited to the Nazi regime and are do not nessisarily require actively killing the people inside to fit the definition. The internment of Japanese civilians by the US and Canadian governments in WWII fit the definition of a concentration camp. The North Koreans have political prison camps which also fit the description. The notes of periods stopping in the face of extreme stress an malnutrition have been noted at all of these camps by the doctors who have kept records.

You also made quite the logic leap from someone mentioning menstruation in Concentration camps to assuming they meant a literal camp in Gaza. Gaza isn't a concentration camp... Though the Israeli government has actively throttled supplies to the citizens of the region (including international relief) who cannot immigrate because the neighbouring countries fear Israeli retaliation so you do have a bunch of people who cannot freely move in increasingly unsanitary conditions without access to medical supplies, clean water or fuel to produce clean water and increasing food insecurity in the region has meant that the conditions are primed for a large number of civilians to die... So there are fairly decent parallels in regards to living conditions but the disqualifying difference being largely based around formalized imprisonment.

Not a concentration camp by strict definition and not an "industrial" killing zone like Auschwitz but Auschwitz was very much not the norm for a concentration camp even the ones under Nazi rule so using that as your rubric of "what is a concentration camp" is inherently flawed. Concentration camps are unethical even when they don't exist to slowly and steadily liquidate their populations.

The commonality stated here is the function of the body due to disease and malnutrition. Demanding proof of one very specific presentation of genocide out of a wide range of possible presentations of active genocide seems to be very mich missing the point.

Neon

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He was to name them nazi camps. No need to talk about that
The name concentration Camp was used specifically that way to imply that, let's not kid ourselfes. There was no Logic Leap. Especially not since i sepcifically asked him what he meant by concentration camp and he literally confirmed it 2 comments further up.

I don't think you've written this Comment in good Faith and as such will stop bothering here. I wish you a very nice Day

andrew_bidlaw

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Ah, now I get you.

I don't equate these two situations. I wanted to point at the link between mental distress and physical health that was observed in these camps, IIRC I've read about it in David Frankle's memoir\self-help book first - and he is a survivor of one, that's why I refered to them. And these women are put into critical insecurity and distress too.

By now more than 23k were reported dead, or ≈1% of pre-October estimated population. Not an industrial scale of killing per se, but still a catastrophe. With how many buildings were leveled to the ground (33%) and how many people therefore were displaced, it sure is. Intensity of IDF bombing is pretty much systemic and overly agressive. Would you argue with that?

I think you are overreacting.

I've heard Gaza was called the-camp-in-the-open-air before October, and that wasn't true. It was occupation and segregation, and mass murder wasn't in the menu. Now it's hard to say, hearing all this warmongering and dehumanization. Is it assymetric warfare with a side of suspected warcrimes? A continuous act of terror? A genocide? I don't know. But it seems like Israel hardly cares about palestinians anymore, doesn't want them here and this shelling, military maneuvres are about making it's unlivable here so they'd leave. I don't think civilian\Hamas ratio was even 10:1. Not really a C-T operation.

UnderpantsWeevil

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Aceticon

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They were all soon to be born Hamas!!! /s

Globeparasite

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do we count death by high explosive as miscarriage ?

UnderpantsWeevil

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Obliterating all the hospitals, laying siege to deny refugees food and water and heat, and using snipers to assassinate medics might also be playing a role in the miscarriage rate.

Globeparasite

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Ackmuravatupally a medic or more precisely here a disaster rescue specialist would not be the one to accompany women during pregnancy.

However high stress due to the fact that the Givati Brigade and an Al-Qassam Brigade are using your backyard as their arena for the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny have a tremendous impact

Doorbook

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Miscarriage in the US is a crime. Israel committing war crimes.

Facebones

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That's Israel's goal. 🤷

tegs_terry

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Justice being chief among them.

Zuberi

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The damage will have been done long long before the people responsible will see any real consequence for their actions :(

taanegl

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"...but it isn't genocide."

Nogami

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Gaza gonna be gone permanently before this is over.

UnderpantsWeevil

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Israeli soldiers raise flag and sing anthem on Gaza beach

Curiously, Israelis are allowed to say "From the River to the Sea"

fosforus

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boogetyboo

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Is this important to you?

fosforus

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Kazevic

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You're not alone in this, those kinds of things are hilarious, but also alarming, lol

stopthatgirl7

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Please find a different whetstone to grind your weird ax on.

CultHero

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Are you implying that those who menstrate aren't people?

Drivebyhaiku

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We get it, you're Transphobic. Yay for you.

Your right wing "virtue signaling" when discussing anything under the sun that dares to include trans and intersex people even a little bit is pretty gauche dude.

thoughtorgan

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current

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TIL those who go through menopause or have certain medical conditions aren't women

HandBash

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Logically his point meant that people who menstrate are also women, not that people that don't have menstruation are not women.

I am confused how you got that take of a negative inference.

current

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If you say "why did you say woman twice" in response to "woman and people who menstruate" you're saying that being a woman means you menstruate AND vice versa. That's implying a strict equality between women and those who menstruate, saying that you can't have either without the other.

"Logically" he's saying woman ≡ menstruating person, while you're confusing his comment for woman ⊇ menstruating person. In reality their conditions have no bearing on each other, so neither is right anyways.

Neon

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it's more of a "all of X is also Y, but not all of Y is also X" Situation

Arcka

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Really? Which is X and which is Y in this situation?

I don't take issue with any implication, but find the sentence somewhat unclear because of the phrasing.

Would the sentence have still been true if they had just written 'people'? Wouldn't a lack of access to clean water and other supplies needed for good hygiene increase infections for everyone?

Linkerbaan

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They had abortions for medical emergencies before, but Genocide Joe made sure to implement new the US abortion rights in Gaza so they can enjoy American freedom.

CultHero

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You know when you troll like that you think you're being funny but all you're doing is making your entire country look bad to the rest of us.

You should consider yourself a representative of your country to the rest of the world. The more american trolls we encounter the less we think of your country.

Linkerbaan

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Oh no not my reputation!

I forgot about that. Genocide is fine guys, move on nothing to see here.

This is some 1940 tier bootlicking.

CultHero

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See, this is why the rest of us tend to not like your country. Your reputation for rudeness is well earned.

fosforus

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jak

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And punishing regular Palestinians for what Hamas does goes against the Geneva conventions.

fosforus

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nova_ad_vitum

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Those are not even close to being mutually exclusive. The IDF is obviously and openly conducting collective punishment on all of Gaza ostensibly as a means of fighting terrorists. The IDF won't stop until Hamas is gone and if that means killing every child in Gaza then I'm sure they'll be glad to know you're here justifying it.

fosforus

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nova_ad_vitum

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By having literally any awareness of reality? Ordering an evacuation of a whole area because you're going to bomb it (even if you know for sure there are terrorists there) is by definition collective punishment. The only counter argument to this is to prove that every single person in that area is a legitimate target.

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nova_ad_vitum

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It literally is. If I order your whole block to evacuate their homes because I want to blow up a meth lab 3 doors down from you, I am engaging in collective punishment. It's literally what words mean.

jak

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You force a ceasefire and investigate.

DdCno1

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How do you enforce it?

jak

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Full embargo and then UN peacekeeping forces.

DdCno1

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Impossible for a very long list of reasons. I think you know that.

jak

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What reasons? I don’t think it’s impossible, it’s what needs to be done, so we better figure out a way to do it.

Shyfer

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Is Hamas in the room with us right now?

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Shyfer

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That the IDF calls hospitals Hamas bases they call reporters and UN workers Hamas agents, they call innocent civilians Hamas, refugee bases Hamas, etc even when there's proof they're lying. According to the IDF, there's a hidden Hamas terrorist behind every one of the 30,000 innocent civilians killed 🙄

OccamsTeapot

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Is the lady in the picture in Hamas?

agent_flounder

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No no, the fetus is Hamas.

Aceticon

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Those dastardly Hamas babies are born in tunnels under hospitals and pop-out with rockets in their hands which they immediatelly fire in the direction of Israel.

Obvs Israel has to get them before they pop-out, purelly to defend itself.

NatakuNox

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Let me ask you something. If Hamas was hiding themselves amongst the Israeli population, would the IDF tactics be the same?

Linkerbaan

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I know this isn't the answer you would expect but sadly yes

Unless Hamas was behind Netanyahu himself they would throw a bomb at them blowing up the entire neighborhood. Israel does not care about its own civilians.

If you ever wonder why there were 261 Hamas fighters with tied-up-israelis in Kibbutzes, all burnt beyond recognition....

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NatakuNox

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It's not a big if it's a simple question. "Would Isreal be bombing so indiscriminately and so heavily if that ment thirty thousand Israelis would die as a result?" we all know the answer, its obvious eradication of the Palestinian people is the only goal here. Additionally no Israel leader has explained what happens after they destroy Hamas. Then what? Will Palestine be granted self determination? Will Palestine be recognized by the internal community? Will the apartheid state be abolished? If the answer is no to any of those, then we will just be back to another Hamas like terrorists organization getting control.

fosforus

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Shyfer

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That's basically proof of genocide. They want to control everything and kick out all the Palestinians.

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Shyfer

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How else do you do it? You can't just occupy a populace forever. It doesn't work without sharing equal rights. There will always be attacks, whether it's from Hamas, IRA, Black Panthers or Weather Underground, ANC, the Jewish ghetto uprisings or slave revolts, oppression always leads to fighting back. It's either use diplomacy to share human rights in one state, grant sovereignty through setting up a second state, or genocide. Even if they "kill Hamas" all these orphans and widows are just going to grow up to start another group. It might even be called Hamas.

lennybird

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When you realize Israel held the record for most civilians killed before October 7th let alone after, or the fact that Israel has been annexing, razing Palestinian communities to push into tighter ghettos all the whole laying seige and preventing aid from getting in... Perhaps it was IDF that started it after all.

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HandBash

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The bombings and blockades will continue until morale improves is a hell of a way to convince Gaza folks that Israel is worth accepting. Unless they are trying to just up end and displace all in the region.