Who was better, the guy who led the nazis, or the guy who destroyed them?
such a tough choice, really makes you think!
such a tough choice, really makes you think!
Basic history for the nazlibs lurking:
The Waffen-SS was not part of the German military, it was literally the militia of the Nazi party, so you can't even try to play the "clean Wehrmacht" historical revisionist bullshit here.
1st Galician was a VOLUNTEER division, meaning this person you're defending chose to join the party and VOLUNTEERED to fight against the allies.
oh so just because someone volunteers to fight against the soviets and thus prolong the holocaust suddenly they are responsible for the murders they helped do
It is very disgusting how the vehement and relentless anti-communist narratives have become so pervasive and intense that the average liberal when pressed, reaches the conclusion that the people who resisted the nazis were either as bad, or worse than the nazis. Literally praising the SS for "fighting for Ukrainian independence."
I was raised in a country that happily did business with nazi germany and dragged ass helping the soviets kill them. That country is probably telling me the honest truth about WW2 
The eu, nato, and the us state department have been accepting, and later promulgating, double holocaust narratives to buy the loyalty of the fascist creatures that dominate Eastern European politics now. And those fascists in eastern europe are themselves largely a nato project, having been protected from soviet and other nazi hunters by nato and funded, equiped, and trained by nato to disrupt the ussr and after the cold war to instill nazi ideology in eastern europe, re-writing history to uphold capitalist hegemony and to advance nato's long, inexorable plans to conquer russia and strip it for parts.
I believe the eu parliament recognized the 1932 soviet famine, known by nazis and the credulous as the "holodomor", as a genocide. I believe that makes it a crime to teach history or refute fascist propaganda in some european countries, to say nothing of the laws in much of eastern europe making it a crime to remember or teach the history of the 20th century. International fascism is back, rising again in response to the crises of international capitalism, and this time there are no internationalist communists to save us.
The American materiel loaned to the Soviets was so good that it fought the war autonomously. Really makes you wonder why Americans weren't using it themselves.
Just when I think I have seen the high watermark of Nazi whitewashing and Cold War Soviet equivocation, weeks like this come along. I am now convinced that we are a few weeks away from a Liberal saying something to the effect of "Look the Holocaust was bad, but the Nazis were just trying to liberate the peoples of Eastern Europe from Russian colonization. The Nazis were bold freedom fighters, even if they made mistakes like Judeo-Bolshevism causing them to equate the real evil of the Soviets with innocent Jews."
My US history class started its coverage of WW2 by teaching us it started when Hitler and Stalin made an alliance to invade Poland together. Which then taints your perception of everything after that.
We've gone past clean Wehrmacht and at the rate we're going through clean SS, we're like a week away from libs pushing clean Einsatzgruppen
this is literally that german skit where the an SS officer in full uniform is getting offended that a civilian thinks he's a nazi
also youtube is very confused about whether it wants to give me the German or English title huh. Keeps switching between the two
It is a privilege non-Europeans have... to point at someome and say, you are a Nazi because you wore an SS uniform.
Retrospectively cancelling the British, French, and Soviet judges at the Nuremberg Trials where the SS was determined to be a criminal organization because of the judges' Non-European privilege.
They literally use liberal identity politics speech to defend nazis. This is logical conclusion of the inclusive cia thing.
Also hilarious that the submission to /r/pics, titled "Zelensky and Trudeau applauding Ukrainian Nazi veteran Yaroslav Hunka in the Canadian parliament." has only 40 upvotes but 300+ comments.
Fighting against Stalin does not mean you are fighting for nazism
Hitler or Stalin. Pick one because in the 1940s there was no other choice.
So which is it? Dilemma or not?
Look, just because I wore a Nazi uniform, fought in a Nazi division, and fought against enemies of the Nazis, doesn’t mean I was a Nazi.
Crazy how they can be so antisocialist that theyend up rooting for Nazis. As far as im concerned, if you give me two options and one of them is Nazis, there is only one option. Also, a probable Nazi just talked to me and I need to take a shower
Crazy how they can be so antisocialist that theyend up rooting for Nazis.
Yeah weird how that keeps happening
how does all this fascism keep getting in my populist reactionary anti-communism
I would like to remind everyone that when the 4th Reich finally got their fascist paws on the files of the great and terrible STASI's records they were able to identify seven extrajudicial murders. Think about that for a moment.
Can I get a source for that? Not doubting you, just want to make the same argument to own the 
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It's a good example of the actual mechanism and outcomes of the propaganda used against Americans and other westerners. The actual facts of what the Stasi was and how it operated are pretty analogous to the FBI in the US, and to other semi-secret national police outfits in other countries. They were shitty, thuggish cops who constantly overreached... and their arrest rates were in the same ballpark as what the FBI did (from my understanding of the data, the FBI actually arrested *more *people per capita in 1989? The data I'm looking up is a little fuzzy). The western propaganda latches on to interesting factoids like the extensive nature of their registered informant network, and then use that to spin yarns about how "like a giant octopus, the Stasi's tentacles probed every aspect of life", and then they put that quote on the fucking wikipedia page about them.
also the reason the stasi's networks were as broad as they were is because they were the group that handled noise complaints and things like that. The neighbours calling the cops on you for playing loud music at 3am doesn't make you a political arrest
Germany has laws about what day laundry can be done and similarly the stasi were the ones enforcing those laws
Actually kinda 
that a sub like /r/pics is downvoting this comment and the upvoted comments (that I saw) were mostly good. One upvoted comment was like "How could Russia do this" (sarcastically) and a replier was talking about how he saw people saying that unironically. Is the narrative starting to turn or is it just because applauding a Nazi is actually a bridge too far for them.
I'm really hoping this moment starts to crash the propaganda party line. It's just so mask-off, it cranks the cognitive dissonance to the breaking point for anyone with a bit of reasoning.
Maybe I'm being too about it, but I take what I can get these days.
I don't think the narrative will turn, Russia is still bad and Ukraine is still good. But people are more aware of the most blatant propaganda and are annoyed by it.
actually quite a lot of europe can comfortably say that the SS and their collaborators were murdering bastards only the worst people from the Baltics struggle with that one
I used to be friends with a guy who would say stuff like this pretty often lmao
So glad I stopped trying to fit in with tech bros now
"oh just because I'm wearing an SS uniform and taking commands from Germany in the 1940s I'm suddenly a Nazi?"
Nazis weren’t all evil because it was a large country and a large military.
However, all Soviets and all soldiers of the red army were evil beasts with a hive mind controlled by Stalin
Last sentence is actually correct. There was no other choice. But look who they are choosing in 2023, and certainly they would choose the same in 1940.
