You can tell the poster is American because they blame the government involved for all of these except the US, where they blamed the CIA.
You're right, as an American I knew the specific government agency that overthrew foreign governments. But I don't mean to imply that the U.S. government is blameless.
...It really isn't, but if that's what you want to tell yourself, I really can't stop you. It's still incorrect either way.
They have an American bias because they are American therefore they could be more specific about the American centric piece of information. Your lack of literacy doesn't change the definition of the word bias.
Silly internet troll, everybody the world over knows about the CIA American or not. But you do you.
Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.
The official report of the Chinese government from 1989 (translated here) shows that more than 1000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters. And 200+ soldiers and policemen were murdered. Just imagine how much restraint the military and the police had shown.
Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.
What exactly happened in Beijing in 1989 that lead to this bloody affair?
The answer lies with two key figures: General Secretary Hu Yaobang, and Ambassador James Lilley.
Hu Yaobang was a member of the communist party of China and was one of the three major rightist-reformers that set China on the path its on today, the other two being Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping respectively. Hu Yaobang as a reformer was also a spokesman for the intelligentsia and by the end of his life was well-beloved by the youth of China (we're talking below 30 here, folks) therefore when he passed away the youth of China organized public grieving events with the largest occurring in Beijing. This is to say if Hu didn't die from old age that year, none of this would've happened that year. This is to also say this event had nothing to do with "freedom" or "democracy" or whatever pigshit your favorite rush limburger propagandist spoon feeds you, it was a funeral service that was hijacked to unseat the Chinese government - which so coincidentally is a speciality of the agency the second person we're talking about.
Ambassador James Lilley, the son of an american expat oil executive for Standard Oil, was a CIA agent operating in east Asia from 1951 to 1981 with little officially known about him (I know for a fact he's fucked around Korea and Laos, so it's not a stretch to say he's likely been involved with every conflict that occured during his official career). In his "post" CIA career he's acted as a diplomatic liason to the provice of Taiwan, a teacher to future state department ghouls, and "helped" South Korea end its military dicatorship by helping the military win the election "democratically", and abruptly five days after the death of General Secretary Hu Yaobang James Lilley was appointed as the US Ambassador to China by also former CIA ghoul and president of the United States George H. W. Bush. What an astounding coincidence.
And just a reminder. In communist China, you can be a pain in the ass by obstructing tanks trying to exist a parade, argue with the commander, then get rushed away by other normal people going "dude what the Hell's your problem"
Thank you, very frustrated that I had to scroll so far down to find this with regard to the so-called Tiananmen Square "massacre"
You useful idiots are going to be among the first against the wall to find out about China's mercy I imagine. You'll demand to fellate the firing squad beforehand.
idgi what are you trying to say here?
China hunts down useful idiots? All their firing squad members have penises? The Great Wall is used for executions?
When the People's Liberation Army makes landfall on the western shores of North America, I will be here to greet them as heroes
Did you even read your own articles or did you just cherry-pick quotes? For instance the conclusion of the BBC article:
There was no Tiananmen Square massacre, but there was a Beijing massacre.
The shorthand we often use of the "Tiananmen Square protests" of 1989 gives the impression that this was just a Beijing issue. It was not.
Protests occurred in almost every city in China (even in a town on the edge of the Gobi desert).
What happened in 1989 was by far the most widespread pro-democracy upheaval in communist China's history. It was also by far the bloodiest suppression of peaceful dissent.
I do appreciate skepticism wherever applicable, but China keeps getting handed from one Dictatorship to another so it's hard to see them as victims unless they make some effort to change in more ways than just economically. It also sounds like complete bullshit that the "armed and dangerous protestors" died in equal number to "unarmed and unhelmeted military personnel." Like, for real? Those tanks in a line were made of cardboard?
Why not educate yourself instead of just regurgitating nonsense
ha, "rumble". is it ever going to dawn on you that all your grayzone, jimmy dore, glenn greenwald, caitlin johnstone, et cetera bullshit that claims to be leftist is funded by right-wing billionaire peter thiel, and run out the same offices as trump's "truth social"?
useful idiots indeed.
What does the site the content is hosted on have to do with the actual content which you obviously did not watch. Utter brain rot on display here. It's an interview with the US puppet who started the protest and what she herself is saying about it. The fact that you didn't address that and went off on an idiotic rant about rumble really says all we need to know about your intellectual capacity.
Great job comrade, president XiJing Ping will personally give you an offer to be an officer in Uigyur internment camps.
WuMao.
That really is one of the most absurd things about the American Empire. They'll come and destroy your people, taint and corrupt your land with bones and blood, bomb you back into the stone age, and then make a trillion dollar budget film about how it made them feel sad. The othering is so powerful that emotions only exist within the walls of capital
The Australian's about their treatment of aborigines first nation Australians
The Irish about mother and baby homes.
China about Uyghurs
Didn't a bunch of Muslim countries actually ask China about Uyghurs (and even visit Xinjiang) and they left unanimously content with the response?
Yes. The only country worried about it is the same one that's actually killed millions of Muslims over the last 20 years
Well yeah, of course I'd trust the experts in genocide over countries that have no experience.
should be easy enough for you to provide a legitimate source to this claim.
please note the word "legitimate"
I bet they did according to Xi and the CCP, but not in reality.
Even if they did, they're probably faking it because trade with China is more important to them than human rights, just like the US and Saudi Arabia or the other Western countries and the US..
"aborigines" is not a great word to use these days. It's generally seen as pretty offensive to Indigenous Australians as it's a bit dehumanising and comes from colinisers who treated people like animals.
Better to go with "First Nations people", "Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people" or "Indigenous Australians."
But yes, they've been treated (and in many cases continue to be treated) pretty horribly.
australia has much more shit going.... like storing asylumseekers in some far away islands
I guess you could say ask the Catholic church about Irish mother and baby homes. But the meme was doing nations.
Blaming the Catholic Church is a good way to start but the argument that Irish people were led astray by the Church is pretty much the same argument as those who seek to divorce the Wehrmacht from complicity in SS atrocities. In both cases the answer is that they shared vital infrastructure with each other and ranking officials could have stopped the excesses, which they had full knowledge of, if they'd have disagreed with it.
"Was there a massacre in Tiananmen Square?"
—"No."
"Were people killed elsewhere in Beijing?"
—"...Ermh..."
"Ahem. I am asking you if people were killed in the area immediately surrounding Tiananmen Square, even if nobody was killed in the square itself."
—"The protesters in Tiananmen Square left after negotiations with the PLA. There was no bloodshed in Tiananmen Square."
"I understand that, but were people killed elsewhere in Beijing?"
—"Nowhere in Beijing were student protestors specifically targeted."
"Well, were non-students targeted, and were any students injured or killed without being targeted?"
—"Hey did you know that the Three Gorges Dam is the world's largest—"
"Gongchandang, my friend, I am begging you."
—"...Force may have been used when provoked by attacks."
"May force have also been used unprovoked? Could it have been that the protesters felt like they were provoked first, because you were sending tanks past the barricades that they'd put up?"
—"I mean... you know... uhh..."
"Gongchandang. Were you scared that the occupation of Beijing and the potential of a workers' revolt would threaten the survival of socialism in China, by presenting a still-socialist alternative to your rule, because societal division particularly among the less politically literate could be (and was) exploited by outside forces?"
—"OUR YOUTH ARE VULNERABLE TO IMPERIALIST PROPAGANDA, OK‽ ALSO, TANK MAN DIDN'T GET RUN OVER. SEE. HE WAS PULLED AWAY BY A PASSERBY. NOT RUN OVER."
I don't know if I would have used Tiananmen Square.
The Uighur re-education cities seems far more fitting.
Or the invasion of Vietnam... Or the annexation of Tibet... Or the bullying of Southeast Asian countries... Or the great leap forward... Or the communist land reforms... Or the anti counterrevolutionary campaigns
The CCP leaves you no end of really good options to pick here.
Yeah tiananmen is such a meme at this point. You can tell when people base their entire politics on memes and don't bother reading and searching on their own. Tiananmen is an issue they won't step mentioning.
I think the other comment on this thread addressed it pretty well: https://hexbear.net/comment/4003110
I'm pretty skeptical about taking political positions from memes, and when I've done my own research on this, I failed to find valid reasons that this issue should get the attention that the Internet gives it. There are many other issues that are worth my attention. This one isn't.
Plenty of sources provided in there (ny times, reuters, etc), but if you were the kind to examine evidence, you wouldn't be here anyways.
I love how you ignored everything in the article except what could possibly agree with your viewpoint. On your first quote, the link they cite does not exist anymore. In the video you linked, I hear gunshots but don't see people running away from them. As someone from a country that saw unrest and shooting at protests, I can tell you that people immediately start running when they're shot at, emptying the area. Not continue to March nonchalantly.
In the end, I want to conclude with saying that I didn't deny that anyone died (although the comment I linked does seem to imply that. My apologies for not clarifying, as I was only using them to back up my opinion). What I said in the original comment is that it is not an issue worth my attention. I've seen and read about so many government rerpression, and this is far from being in the top 10. It's an unnecessarily magnified issue.
Not even going to click on that, the domain tells me everything I need to know considering the topic we talk about!
I mean, it's a variety of sourced quotes from respected journalists who were there. You probably should read them all, if only so you can point out to the Hexbears where they mention all the people who died in the area around the Square. The sources mostly say "no one got gunned down literally in the Square."
In any case, it's fucking weird to obsess over it. It's like trying to give Biden crap about the Kent State Massacre while he's rounding up all the Mormons.
Plenty of evidence cited there from multiple sources. You don't have to open it, but the evidence is there shall you question it.
I agree with that commenter. I do not claim that "nothing happened". I said this in my earlier comments, that I just don't think it's a problem worth my attention.
Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.
Sounds like a full blown insurrection.
I knew this was going to be the only one people tried to deny in this thread, but I didn't figure it would be OP
The Canadian government about the canadian indian residential school system
The Iran government about Salman Rushdie
The Mexican government about Ayotzinapas 43
The British government about their museums
The German government about their car manufacturers.
The Indian government about Aasif Sultan
The Russian government about how much the war in Ukraine should have lasted.
And many more...
Do let me know btw if you know of anymore of this.
Edit:
Aded russia
To be fair, Germans largely don't deny what happened. Being a holocaust denier can even get you into prison. IHMO that is how you should handle such matters.
Yes i know but i couldnt come up with a simmilar example about them. If you know of a better one about Germany do let me know and ill change it. Im being frendly about this btw, sorry if i sound condesending, thats not my intention.
Never forget about the vicious emu war in Australia either, our shameful defeat https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War
How a person reacts to being asked about the version of these things most close to them is telling. If they get defensive and deny the event happened, I would hesitate to trust their opinion on other things. Clearly that person bases their opinions on what they want to be true rather than reality. That's the kind of person whose ideology would likely lead to another event to be ashamed of. If, on the other hand, they admit it was a horrible thing and agree that people should be educated on it and that steps should be taken to prevent it from ever happening again, then I'm more likely to take their opinion seriously and believe that they can be part of the conversations we need to happen to create a better world.
imagine believing tiananmen square is in any way comparable to the rest of this list. OP showing their whole ass
Death to America
what do you mean 300 deaths isn't in any way comparable to thousands/millions of deaths during the Holocaust, Aremnian genocide, Bengal famine, Operation Condor or Japanese occupation?
Hundreds, thousands, millions. It's all the same because people died and the people that died weren't white.
Smooth-brained western Chinese apologists is not what I was expecting from the future of the internet even 5 years ago. Our atrocities are totally cool, eh? Nice.
Atrocity propaganda is a real phenomenon used by westerners to inflate problems of non-western societies and deflate the genocides done by the west. You've fallen for it
yeah, next the internet will be defending Iraqi incubator babies or Saddam's people-shredder.
also, very rude of you to assume im a mayo western cracker.
No, it is true. US tried to stir up some trouble and it didn't work. That is import to remember the people that dies because of US greed
What is a western China? There's only one China.
If you try act like a redditor and go "its what i call taiwan" then you're literally bumbling around like a drunken dipshit who insists calling the United States "Northern Florida". Although if we're to make more accurate historical inference, it would be apt to say you're the equivalent of those "The South Shall Rise Again" cross-burning confederate dipshits that never shut up about the massive L you took
They mean Chinese apologists from the west.
I for one am not apologizing for much of anything really. Mistakes have been made but the party has grown from that and critiques those. None of these are what these anti-chinese people are saying though
Nope, believe it or not, its possible to believe that killing civilians is wrong, regardless of who does it.
yeah buddy, ya got me. the cia's attempt to overthrow the communist party of China failed, but succeeded in getting a few hundred people killed. not exactly the Holocaust libs love to claim it was
Death to America
Don't ask the French (Police) what happened in 17 October 1961
What do you mean don't ask the UK about African interment camps?
Our lovely Tory government spent most of last year proud of trying to deport asylum seekers to fucking Rwanda. Like it was some sort of vote winner.
I think it's unfair to suggest that the UK Government doesn't like you asking about African internment camps.
They also don't like you asking about:
There's probably several pages of this but I've only just woken up.
The British Empire once covered over a quarter of the Earth's land area. Even the Mongols never managed that.
And by "once", it's not ancient history. It was 1920.
It's horrifying, and we're almost certainly responsible for more suffering than any other country on Earth, but also kind of impressive. There are just 22 countries we never invaded.
And the Kenyans. The English developed concentration camps in South African and used them in Kenya during the Mau Mau rebellion.
Don't ask the UK anything about their troubling history with black people or slavery unless it's to mention that they were one of the first countries to stop making black people property. They get really mad if you mention anything but that.
FTFY: Don't ask the UK anything about their troubling history with black people
UK history with anyone else is better not to be talked about
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