https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/09/cassidy-hutchinson-says-giuliani-groped-her-on-january-6.html
Giuliani denied the accusations made in the former Trump aide’s new book and threatened to sue, but his finances may not allow it.
Interesting choice, using the image of kurtwood Smith, a guy who just got called out for sending a letter of support on behalf of a convicted rapist.
While I get your point, it didn't read as supportive to me. To me it read as a statement of "this is what I observed" not "this is my judgement of the kind of person he is."
Like if someone asked me what kind of person a coworker was. If my answer was "I saw them do their job" it can be a factual statement of my experience and really, isn't necessarily helpful. It just means I didn't witness them doing anything bad.
Edit - rereading as someone just posted a copy of the letter. While I can see some focus on positive interactions with his daughter, it still strikes me as a factual "this is what I observed" and far less the emotional supportive standpoint that bled through from some of the other letters that were submitted.
Then insulting part in the Ashton letter was his defense of Danny as an anti drug warrior, after Danny was convicted of drugging and raping people. Also his saying that Danny poses no threat to society. I believe those were the main complaints about it by one of the victims
Kurtwood Smith's letter to the judge:
Dear Judge Olmedo:
My name is Kurtwood Smith. I have been a professional actor for 57 years, the last 43 years working primarily in film and television. It is as an actor that I came to know Danny Masterson.
I should mention that I am aware that Danny has been convicted of two counts of forcible rape and is awaiting sentencing.
I have known Danny since the spring of 1998, when we began filming the television show That 70s Show. We worked on the show for eight years and I consider Danny to be a good friend. Our friendship revolved around work. Primarily because of our age difference we didn't socialize much outside of work but I saw hi every day on the job whether we had scenes together or not.
I believe Danny to be a wonderful actor. When working together I always found him to be prepared, inventive, and responsive to suggestions from the director, myself, and other actors. Danny was also very enjoyable to be around. He has a quick wit and a good sense of humor. I always looked forward to working on scenes with Danny. I should mention that he was extremely popular with the crew. He was usually the first actor to learn every crew member's name, what their job was, and how it related to his job. Danny was the leader among his contemporaries in the cast. He was a tad older and much more experienced and he took that position seriously.
During the eight years we did the show. we never had the problems some other shows had with their younger cast members. After the show ended in 2006 I didn't see much of Danny, except for occasional events, until almost 10 years later, when I began playing a recurring character on The Ranch. Danny was one of the stars of the show. I was happy to be working with him again. It was also great to see his family. If you know Danny, you know his family.
I have known his parents and younger brothers and sister since we started work on That 70s Show. They are a very close knit family; they seem to care very much for each other and work to help one another succeed.
Danny was now married and the father of a beautiful little girl. It was a treat to spend some time with him at work and to be around him and his family. I had met his wife while we were still shooting That 70s Show, although they were not married at the time.
I found that Danny treated all women on the show with respect, not only the women in the cast, but women on the crew as well. It was my observation that he treated the woman he married in a respectful and loving way. Later, when we were working on The Ranch. I was aware that, not only were they a happy couple, but he was a wonderful father to his daughter.
I had the opportunity to watch Danny with his daughter. At the time she was maybe two or three years old. It was so clear how much he loved her and how delighted he was with her. He was so patient and easygoing with her. At one point, when she became fussy, he joked with her and made faces and she calmed down and was laughing. She clearly loved her daddy.
I consider Danny a talented, hardworking, giving actor. I have viewed him being respectful and considerate to those he has worked with. He has been a leader and positive force among his peers. He has seemed loving and caring, not only towards his wife and daughter, but his family at large.
For all the reasons I have mentioned I consider myself fortunate to have had Danny Masterson in my life.
Sincerely yours,
Kurtwood Smith
I can totally believe the crazy conflict this must cause for someone. Read this letter, imagine someone you feel this way about was convicted of two rapes and accused of three. It would do your head in.
Piling on Mastersons friends and colleagues isn’t going to help the victims.
Not condoning rape here but given that the courts have done their job and the rapist is seeing justice, can we leave it at that?
The need to cancel by further and and further levels of abstraction is toxic to society. Justice (such as it is) is served. We should move on. If you feel a call to activism then seek out help and care for survivors. Seeking to further punish is going to rot you up inside.
He point of giving letters to the court of character is to try to reduce the sentence. If people are able to give statements with no cost, irrespective of truth or repurcuasions, then they become pointless as all would be glowing and positive. Anyone giving such a letter should be able to stand by it. If they can't they shouldn't give one.
I haven't read his letter, but I assume it talks about his time with him filming when he was younger. It doesn't seem relevant of it's about his character, aside from rapes. So, what's the point of providing it? If it is relevant, then we should question the relevance and motive and veracity of the whole purpose is to reduce the sentence of a convicted rapist.
People will all move on. However, moving on does not mean ignore and forget.
In rape cases there can be a bit of she said he said and such testimony can be important. However, it's up to the jury to decide how much weight they attach to such a letter.
If one of my close friends was accused of rape and I never got any signals that she/he was capable of doing such a thing, I think I should be allowed to be heard. And if I was falsely accused I expect those that know my character to offer the same.
If I ever get the request from someone I have any doubt about they're getting the polite middle finger. But if I'm 99% sure they wouldn't do such a thing I guess I at least owe them to share my pov with the jury. Up to them to weigh everything.
In this case the actor who portrayed Mr. Red has shown he's a bad judge of character but it shouldn't stop us from using the character of the show to make cheff's kiss memes (not this one though)
However, it’s up to the jury to decide how much weight they attach to such a letter.
It's up to the judge. The letters were just used for sentencing, NOT for the verdict, which is the responsibility of the judge, not the jury.
Ok then I stand corrected.
In that case I might be sending a letter how they betrayed my trust & to not go too light on the sentence
These letters were after conviction, for sentencing.
Yes, there can be he said, she said. A jury convicts only if convinced beyond all reasonable doubt. They did so on multiple counts. One of the alleged victims, there was sufficient doubt. He was not convicted on that count. So it wasn’t just he said, she said.
I agree, red likely made an error of judgement. It’s not tantamount to rape, but he’s still advocating for a rapist with the intent of reducing the sentence.
You're completely missing the point of these letters though. The jury had already found the accused guilty. These letters were for the judge, after conviction. In order to lighten the sentence of a convicted rapist.
Oh, no! Really? The guy who was caught on camera trying to fuck Borat's daughter groped you!?
Right!? "I'm on of the good ones." and, "They'll never turn on me." Is that what they say to themselves?
There was a reoccurring post on Reddit about women in right-wing movements complaining about their men's behavior and attitudes towards women. I think it was proud boys Edit: found the article It's older than I thought, lol
This reminds me of the people that take up with someone who is cheating on their spouse/GF/BF and then are later surprised to find out that they later cheat on them, too.
Why these stupid "alt-right" women don't think the obviously inevitable misogyny won't be turned on them is a true mystery.
Right!? Then there's those that help kill the other's spouse to get away or get money. YOU'RE NEXT!
When women are taught that sexual assault is not the fault of the men, there’s a false confidence if you don’t feel like you’re a “tease “ or “asking for it.”
“I feel his frozen fingers trail up my thigh,” she writes. “He tilts his chin up. The whites of his eyes look jaundiced. My eyes dart to [Trump adviser] John Eastman, who flashes a leering grin.
He surrounds himself with the best people, truly.
Doesn't the fact his fingers felt cold imply she was at least somewhat in heat?
edit: sorry thought I was posting with my /r/con alt account
“Come here, big tits. Come here, big tits. Your tits belong to me. Give them to me (indiscernible). I want to claim my tits. I want to claim my tits. I want to claim my tits. These are my tits,” Giuliani said in one March 12, 2019, exchange,
“These breasts belong to me. Nobody else can get near these, OK? I don’t care if they’re flirting or they give you business cards. These are mine, you got it?” he continued. “Understand? I’m very fucking possessive. I’ve gone easy on you.”
this Rudy Giulliani? I'm shocked
Until now I always believed the silver lining of jan6 was that these beta's would at least not have time or thought for sexual harassment for a few hours
News like this is making it really hard not to turn into a cynic tbh
He accused someone of assaulting him in a supermarket. He claimed that he was hit so hard that he almost fell to the ground and that his shoulder still hurt. I can't find the reference, but I believe he also claimed some sort of "shock wave' after the assault that other people nearby felt.
Then the video was released and it was just a guy patting him gently on the back while passing him by. Definitely not assault. Okay, technically any contact could be considered battery, but this wasn't the life threatening attack that Rudy made it out to be.
The guy was still arrested and tried for assault. He was acquitted and is now suing Rudy.
“I feel his frozen fingers trail up my thigh,” she writes. “He tilts his chin up. The whites of his eyes look jaundiced. My eyes dart to [Trump adviser] John Eastman, who flashes a leering grin.
I need a shower now. This is disgusting.
As a woman, I have a very visceral reaction to this. It is so gross and scary - especially with Eastman's reaction. 🤢
As a man I have a visceral reaction to this so I can only imagine as a woman. Eastman's reaction is what really sets it off over the edge, not that the whole situation isn't disgusting. I'm quite sure anyone who works with or has worked with Trump has to have some serious demons.
Booking that presser at the landscaping Four Seasons, near a dildo store - accident, or on purpose?
From "America's Mayor" to creepy groping grandpa who will be just as famous for playing with his chram on that Borat movie, for trying to mock the notion of - ahem - the media - announcing election outcomes while near a dildo store, and for groping Cassidy Hutchinson during a coup attempt...not that Roodles was ever all that great, but he's a great example of how everything donnie touches turns to shit.
