https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/canada-mulling-game-plan-if-u-s-takes-far-right-authoritarian-shift-m-lanie-joly/article_03fcc38f-54dd-5e07-84fa-5789559ef594.html
https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/canada-mulling-game-plan-if-u-s-takes-far-right-authoritarian-shift-m-lanie-joly/article_03fcc38f-54dd-5e07-84fa-5789559ef594.html
If?
Also, they might wanna check inside Canada. Current leader of the Conservative party of Canada has been flirting with extremists. Seen palling around with people who want trans folks dead. Bringing up abortion debate. The man is dangerous and if allowed to continue then it's going to end up turning us into another American state. I'd like that not to happen. I'm tired of having to justify my existence as a gay man to people like him.
Fix our own shit please.
famous Stamets
You know I'm still trying to decide if being recognized constantly is a good or a bad thing lol
But yep. I'm Canadian, eh! Or b'y if you wanna be more accurate to my roots.
Oh a Newfie! 😀 I'm in / from Toronto but my dad's side of the family are all Acadian from Nova Scotia. (That's not me being an ignorant Torontonian assuming NS and Newfoundland are the same thing, just acknowledging they're both that side of Canada 😂)
You're being recognised for providing people with entertainment and joy. I'd say that's a good thing! You've certainly provided me (and my friends by extension) with a ton of entertainment. To that point, if you message me your details I'll e-transfer you $50 as thanks for all your good works.
All good! Nova Scotia and NFLD have a lot in common anyway. I'm in Toronto too actually. Have been for a few years now, for better or worse.
I can't take credit for anything I post. Just stuff I've collected over the years and finally found a place to share it. I mean I can't say that $50 is unappealing or unhelpful but I don't make the posts for money or thanks or anything. Just like seeing people talking about Star Trek and I like helping people laugh. The world sucks and if I can be part of the day being a little better then awesome.
Neat! What area of Toronto are you in? Toronto must be so grey and bland and depressing for somebody coming from the east coast. I was born here and have been here all my life, and quite frankly I am really starting to hate it.
Speaking of Star Trek, I re-watched TNG Relics last night and it bothers me so much that they didn't really do much to investigate the origins of the Dyson Sphere. Quite possibly the most advanced piece of engineering in the galaxy ever (well, maybe excluding Iconian gates -- they transport you to Toronto's city hall, after all), and they're just like "yeah, it's uninhabited; anyway, Scotty's sad"
The world does indeed suck, so if sending a couple of bucks your way makes your day better then please let me -- no pressure though! I would've offered to meet up and buy you a beer or two, but I don't get out much anymore, nor do I drink often these days, so e-transfer is the next best thing for me.
East-side although I've bounced around all over the GTA. There are some evil landlords out there who will take advantage of anyone anyway they can and I'm on ODSP so I don't usually have the best choice of landlords. Current one is amazing though. I lucked out.
The Dyson Sphere gets explored a LOT in other media but TNG left it alone. Star Trek Online, a free to play MMO that was released in 2010, explores the Dyson Sphere a lot. There's a whole series of missions and an arc based around it. The game can get obscenely complex in stats and builds but only if you want it to be. Otherwise it's really easy to sit back and blast shit while hearing Trek actors. However the game is in 'temporal flux', shall we say. It's both canon and non-canon. In Picard Season 3 we saw the Enterprise-F for the first time on screen but that ship was debuted in Star Trek Online years ago. Also it shows Harry Kim gets promoted to Captain so dope.
I mean it would but I'm just not great at accepting compliments, nevermind much else. Also I don't drink anymore either. I also don't get out much either for a whole bunch of reasons. Although when I do I usually do something stupid and go to Ripley's Aquarium or down to fucking Hanlans. I'm an all or nothing idiot.
Nice! I am west end / Parkdale-adjacent. I've been renting for a long time in this place, and it's an older building, so the property management probably hate me and my rent-controlled ass.
I did actually play STO briefly in the early 2010s, but don't think I encountered any stories involving the Dyson Sphere. It's cool that they picked up on it in a quasi-canonical way. I do wish TNG returned to the sphere in the series run, though. I'm surprised Berman didn't tackle it in an episode of Enterprise, although they would've made that a season long arc, and it would have turned out the sphere builders were actually the descendants of Porthos (who became enlightened and sentient beings after all of the space-cheese Porthos ate) who travelled into the distant past to build the sphere. Or it would end up being a Barclay holodeck simulation, one or the other.
Hey, whether Ripley's or Hanlans there's usually a lot of stuff to look at 😂
I like helping people laugh. The world sucks and if I can be part of the day being a little better then awesome.
With this sentiment, you've already made my day a little better. That's something that I also try for myself and it's nice to see others expressing a similar view.
I've been through too much shit to do anything else. I'm not always the best at it and sometimes I can fuck up severely or just be an asshole. But I try. All you can do, right?
Similar here. Have been lucky but have also been unemployed and couch surfing. Hope you're doing well.
You two have fulfilled all of my stereotypes today, this was a lovely conversation below.
Always a great sign when your geopolitical neighbors quietly start planning for you to go full fascist.
Canada also has plans for if America ever invades them.
But why would they? Let some other country mine resources that you buy at a steal.
I actually have a crackpot theory that Trump's little attempt to buy Greenland (yeah, that happened) was really part of a plan Putin had dictated. And that Putin was trying to align USA+Greenland, Russia, and then Canada. Which is like 25% of Earth's land mass.
I base it on nothing more than maps and stuff.
Like if Putin is trying to play RISK...
Another crackpot theory I've always had is that Trump always sent tweets out around 3am because that's midday in Moscow and when he got his direction from Putin.
I think it was more regarding the strategic importance of the emerging northwest passage arctic shipping route.
Apparently Russia regularly invades the far north. Which is why alert is way the hell up there.
Someone can correct me because I'm probably wrong.
Incursions aren't the same thing as an invasion.
Russia can't even hold ground in a neighbouring country, they aren't going to be able to hold ground on another continent LOL.
Hope that involves a plan for letting lgbt folks immigrate to safety instead of apologizing 80 years later like they did to the casualties of Nazi Germany who were denied safe passage
Someone better take me in if shit goes south. I ain't staying here, and I'm too poor to move myself.
That's not how any of that works at all.
The people we accept as refugee's today live on the streets. You'd be better off pretending to be straight than moving to Canada now days. Doesn't matter how accepting the government can be if they can't actually govern and throw all the reigns of power over to corporations.
I've already checked. I've got enough qualifications that I can just migrate to Canada.
It'll be nice to teach them about what their summers are going to be like.
The whole world is shifting hard to the right. It's pretty crazy to see happen in real time.
Something something "weak men" something something "hard times"
Male Fragility Will Kill Us All
You're a fool if you think that far-right conservatism is exclusive to men (or that only allowing women in power would solve it)
Women buying into patriarchy doesn't make it any less of a phenomenon or any less dangerous.
Good thing that comment I replied to said "male fragility" and not "the patriarchy" or I'd probably agree with them.
You're a fool if you extrapolated that meaning from my words. The male fragility drives the culture of insecurity, greed, and competition. Women can be infected as well, but they are not the drivers of this psychosis.
Male fragility doesn't drive the culture of insecurity. It's an artificially introduced wedge tactic intended to keep the working class infighting.
Everyone with money and power are pretty happy with the status quo.
If you ever find yourself thinking that any regular working person is "the problem", step back and ask yourself who baited the trap. Some external narrative drew one of you in to make the other pissed off.
Like, they kept telling Cletus that the immigrants are why his paycheck is small, and that the big city liberals want to eradicate him. He says "Damn those immigrants" and then you come out of the woodwork telling him he's the problem with the country and then boom: you're suddenly the liberal who he's heard hates him, word made flesh, just as the prophecy foretold.
Like, how goddamn convenient that it's male fragility. How awesome for the 1% that out of everyone and everything, they hand you a loaded term like that that will CERTAINLY be taken out of context as a blanket condemnation of 50% of the population by anyone who doesn't study sociology (spoiler alert, MOST PEOPLE)
Like, if someone said to you that it was a result of a slowness of male development, and thus the Latin for "slow" was appropriate here, and that the accepted term that you should use in the world to try and initiate a thoughtful, respectful exchange of ideas in good faith, so you should say "male retardation", would you say "ya that sounds like a great way to talk to men and I can't comprehend any reason why anyone might be standoffish when hearing it"?
Again, you're a chump. You're brandishing a term INTENTIONALLY loaded to incite division among the working class. You are a useful idiot to the people oppressing you.
Like, they kept telling Cletus that the immigrants are why his paycheck is small, and that the big city liberals want to eradicate him. He says “Damn those immigrants” and then you come out of the woodwork telling him he’s the problem with the country and then boom: you’re suddenly the liberal who he’s heard hates him, word made flesh, just as the prophecy foretold.
Exactly and the flipside of this is targeting the liberals and catering to the idea they can be morally superior, and building this meritocratic notion where the "Cletus" actually deserves to be poor and stupid. This mechanism basically removes individuals from the political economy and moralizes the outcomes caused by it as representative of their individual virtue. This idea of "virtue hoarding" has been used to describe this which I think can be pretty accurate. It can't solve anything either, and it's actually a very conservative approach to the topic at large because it doesn't acknowledge the economic material causes of why they're like this or try to solve the thing that causes these disparities. It makes it all about the individual and their moral choices. A lot of what's ignored from the people who liberals love to appropriate in their ideaology, like MLK Jr, is the radical notion of economic equality that made them so unpopular at the time, even among people who were morally opposed to racism. If you removed these prejduces from "Cletus," a lot of the city liberal types would still find him detestable as a person, and he would probably be asked to leave if he tried to enter one of their workplaces. Despite him having more materially in common with the liberal professional worker, the liberal likely believes themselves to have more in common with their bosses.
Everyone with money and power are pretty happy with the status quo.
Counterexample: Disney in Florida.
Fascism is not actually good for business. Fascism demands that the most successful business in the state must lick boots or be punished.
Except you're ignoring the entire reality of male fragility in your attempt to shift the blame. The alpha males, the CEO billionaires, the dickhead fascists; they're all fragile males. (Like you.)
Please explain to me in detail how a matriarchal social structure would solve this, with relevant historical examples to support your claims.
Also, "women are too dumb to think for themselves, they must be brainwashed" is one of the strangest supposedly left-wing takes I've seen on this site.
Please explain in detail how you arrived at the conclusion that I'm advocating for a matriarchal social structure. Hilarious that you're demanding historical examples when you know they were all murdered by fragile men like you.
Ah yes, let's red herring with gender politics and sexism.
Seriously, this isn't productive, it's toxic, and belongs back on Reddit and back on the gate communities there.
Lemmy "progressives" would rather argue about social politics than actually solve problems. It's one of the far-rights greatest strengths, left-wing groups fragment at the drop of a pencil over the slightest disagreements
You got me on the furry hater. I can't deny that one, but please translate that word spaghetti for those of us in the audience without brain damage.
It's due to all the propaganda BS everyone needs a fairness doctrine for media at this point
Which is hilarious because I look at PP and all I see is a weak man and yet that's what we will probably elect.
We won't elect PP. We will elect whoever isn't Mr.T.
PP isn't doing very well even for the conservatives but they will still vote for him and the swinger voters have already made up thier mind and switched to the CPC.
Maybe if the leftwing was actually capable of doing something it would have some support.
The NDP got us national dental and doubled CERB payments, all while not even the opposition.
Also the NDP is the only party that wants to push public transit and better city design. Even if it isn't a federal mandate.
They don't need to elect anything. Fascism is inherently militaristic.
If the US goes full fascist, then it's only a matter of time.
No place in the world will be safe.
Most places in the world were never safe from the US anyway, it has had aggressively competitive foreign policy for the last 80 years.
Meh, the USA won't invade Canada. Even if we go full fascist Canada is way better as a frenemy.
Our largest trading partner won't be able to give us a reason to invade.
Mexico on the other hand should watch out, given the amount of scapegoating our right wing throw their way.
Facts have never had an effect on conservative feelings, despite one of their favorite sayings being “facts don’t care about your feelings”
Yeah but the fascists are already talking about invading them. And like hey, last time we did it we got our most profitable state out of it
Who's? Canada's or the USA? In both cases that's false.
The Canadian economy is inextricably linked to ours (USA). Any plans they have to deal with a racist USA has to take that, and the military disparity, into account. Canada is in a very shit situation if the USA falls to fascism. Appeasement is their only realistic option.
Canada is in a very shit situation if the USA falls to fascism. Appeasement is their only realistic option.
Ah, yes, the famous stopper of fascist expansion: Appeasement.
Canada has already been identified as a valid target for decades due to South Parks "blame Canada."
Our largest trading partner won't be able to give us a reason to invade.
Water and farmable land?
He supports Ukraine, climate change targets, new housing construction, abortion rights, immigration, legal weed, and gay marriage. He has plenty of other extremely problematic positions and I hope he loses badly, but nevertheless, the gap between him and basically any Republican is pretty substantial.
He’s voted against abortion rights, he’s voted against gay marriage, he’s lukewarm about legal weed but tbf prob wont illegalize it, and his solution to climate change is producing more oil.
Wikipedia:
In 2020, he changed his position and said that a government led by him would never introduce a bill on the topic, and no private ones would be adopted. In 2021, Poilievre opposed a private member bill prohibiting sex-selective abortion.
Poilievre supports same-sex marriage; in a 2020 interview, he called it a "success" and stated "I voted against it 15 years ago. But I learned a lot".
And yeah, he wants to produce more oil, but so does Biden. And for that matter, Trudeau also wants to build more oil pipelines. I wish there were more mainstream politicians who were genuinely anti-fossil-fuel but those are, unfortunately, few and far between.
Honestly the most daming thing about PP is that he's been in goverance since he finished uni, never held a real job in his life. Also I'm 100% sure he's never made a woman cum.
Two years still. Lots can change and people will see through the piss poor attempt at the Conservative rebranding of Poilievre.
People the world over have been remarkably bad at seeing through cheap far-right populist pandering. I don't trust the electorate.
We basically flip between Liberal and Conservative on schedule. Trudeau took a gamble on positive numbers calling the last election early but I think his brand is essentially dead. PP is getting a huge image treatment right now if you've seen his tanned face and new persona, like they're throwing full weight in to making him relatable, and you can tell what a massive effort that is lol. I don't see too much of a material difference between LPC and CPC though, CPC is more shameless but the things LPC does to sovereign nations inside our country should be setting off more alarm bells than they are. People forget those treaties are with the Crown not the Canadian government. Also fuck the Liberals for not changing the vote, they campaigned so hard on that and I can't believe I fell for it first time around. NDP are polling decently well too but with the voting being what it is they're screwed. Although I'm not a huge fan of Jagmeet and how he became leader and think NDP need to do better with their branding and messaging, right now it's like "we're liberals but more authentic" but they need to be more forthcoming with the economic vision and why it will benefit everyone regardless of their identity. A straight white tradesman needs to get the message that he has just as much interest in voting NDP as a nonconforming individual, and I think they really need to tie these messages back to the economic benefit and power of having solidarity with others in achieving material political goals.
Great summary, and good insight imo
A lot of NDP voters where I am at, but PP is going to get my vote. Cost of living is my #1 voting issue and Pierre is the only one I’ve even heard talking about it.
NDP and Liberals just don’t care about how much money I have left in my pockets at the end of the month, they think it’s all theirs anyways
On housing PP wants to "remove beurocracy" for developers which means they can build what will maximize their profits with less regard for regulations, and with the huge demand for housing this allows them to cater to mid-upper range of home buyers and cut corners. Milton and north Oakille are good case studies for this strategy where it's basically all dual-income managerial workers and white collar professionals living in blocked out subdivisions with cheaply made "luxury" homes.
Liberals just pulled their move today by waiving GST for rental unit developers but as usual it's a pandering half-measure.
NDP share the tax GHT/HST waiving for renters in their housing policy on top of using under-utilized federal land to build social and co-op housing right away, as well as forcing developers to build affordable housing with the communities and municipalities having more say. They also want to extend CMHC insured mortgages for first-time buyers to 30 years so people's monthly payments would be less. Although I think the down payment is the hurdle for most.
I'll tell you a secret nothing he does well influence it. Sure cost might godown but won't be because of any one running the country. If the president doesn't matter for the Is economy I would assume it's the same for us.
Short memory huh? Why do you think we are in such a mess in the first place?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada-s-banks-received-114b-bailout-study-asserts-1.803031
We're the only western country that didn't see a dip in housing in 2008/2009.
Shit. I just DQ'd myself by not knowing how to embed an image on Mobile via Thunder
This whole situation is new I'm not sure where you're getting your information.
I'm both curious and personally invested on what their outlook on refugees would look like. I've definitely considered the possibility of having to flee to Canada as a trans woman, but I guess the question is how legitimately I'd be able to enter the country and whether I'd have to go into hiding once I get there.
Right now, yeah a trans person can seek asylum in Canada. But the leader of the Conservative Party is a culture war fashy type not too dissimilar from Ron Desantis. If he gets in, it'll be dark days north of the border too.
I'm genuinely confused as to why, knowing that the Conservative/Republican brand has always been to serve big business, deregulating while also lowering taxes for the wealthy while cutting services to working class families, why people en masse would vote for them.
I get it, 2 sides of the same coin and all that jazz, but one side of the coin is just greedy, while the other side of the coin is greedy and is actively stoking the fires of a civil war.
Because some people bel8ve taking any kind of welfare is as immoral as molesting a child.
Don’t forget the racism so bad they’ll screw themselves as long as it also screws “the wrong people.”
It's not that they believe welfare is immoral. They believe welfare that comes without the Jesus Strings attached (i.e., welfare from the state) undermines their ability to market Jesus by giving fully Jesus-encumbered welfare to the hard up.
Not in my experience. MY family has no problem with family help, or church help just government help.
Most of them don't really believe that. In fact I'm pretty sure most of them don't actually have many beliefs other than "if i just moving goalposts fast enough, I'll never have to form a new opinion on anything."
It doesn't matter who did what so long as their side is right.
Ironically, the other half of their brand is actively screwing with interests of big business. Big businesses also want stability and predictable government fiscal behavior, and republicans are now famous for throwing tantrums and threatening to screw up borrowing and repayment if they don't get their ways on issues that businesses flat out don't care about.
Funny story, the whole world will arrive at the same place, just in time to kick off a third world war of stupidity.
We need electoral reform to avoid the same in Canada. The official opposition is actively siding with fascists.
And just like the Democrats in the USA, the Liberals don't seem to recognize the danger. The middle of the road will never save us from the far right.
I don't blame them. As an American I'm mulling the same.
I just hope their plan includes an asylum path for Americans sick of this doubling-down on ignorance. Not to say Canada isn't without their dumb dumbs either...
We've got our dumb-dumbs, and they're definitely importing some culture war bullshit from you guys, but the party they fall in behind (Progressive Conservatives) is closer to democrats than the republicans, in general.
If the US goes, Canada will too. I forsee Quebec and New England allying against the plains provinces/states.
Psst, I live in Onterrible, I don't want any association with Alberta. I know exactly how stupid people are there.
Half the people I talked to said they would vote Trudeau if he legalized marijuana even though the NDP were campaigning for DECRIMINALIZATION. Bunch of retards (plz be offended) out there
Quebec would probably be "complied" in to servitude since they have mining and softwood lumber resources.
Best get across before Canadians start dropping anti-migrant barriers in the Great Lakes.
No. Canada is centre-left and backed by mid left. The right and far right parties will never have enough seats to go without challenge. Most of the authoritarian parties are far right fringe parties that will like see no more than a handful of seats.
You should take another look at what the CPC is focusing on. At their convention this month they voted on what to focus on as a party; two anti-trans policies passed the policy for affordable housing did not. Is the CPC as far right as the US Republican party, no they're not, but Poilievre is happy to court people who are. Also he won't answer non-vetted questions which is a different issue but still rubs me the wrong way.
And more horrifyingly: polling might not mean much this far out, but right now, the CPC is leading. Big. Skippy is terrifying, and terrifyingly close to power.
Only you guys can help your democracy internally. Never fail to vote, get your friends voting and obviously never vote for conservatives.
Whole of the West is dealing with it to some degree imo. America is just as always the most noticeable due to the attention it gets in the news around the world.
Yea I noticed in the news recently that Germany is having trouble with the rise of fascist groups as well. I hope there are non-violent course corrections for us all this time.
Personally I think in four years time it's possible Australia and UK (but even then UK Labor is transphobic) might be the last bastions of progressivism in the West (Australia voted out their right wing party last year, and the UK Conservatives don't seem to have a path to re-election.) The rest don't have recent enough memory of how right-wing populism doesn't solve problems. USA does, but USA has the problem of hyperpartisanship to a degree that some argue Democrat and Republican constitute two separate nations.
Oh that's good to hear, I thought both of those countries were going conservative as well. As long as there's some civilly practical place left, I'll just go there.
I hear about how different Democrats and Republicans in the states are a lot, but there are so many civil and practical issues that Americans agree on regardless of which political party they're part of that at this point I've drawn the conclusion that the 'progressives" in the states simply haven't been taken in by the media empire that pours capital into advocating for conservative ideals and a manufactured schism in the way of life in the United States.
Conservatives have purchased so much air time and always appeal to the basest vices and fears that it seems like their civil rights abuses and antiquated perspectives on race and authority are more widely held than they actually are if you poll all Americans. And that checks out with the people I've talked to around the country in the last couple years.
Yeah our last PM here in Australia was very religious and a useless prick (who had to hire an 'empathy coach' I shit you not) and thankfully people realised he was an idiot. Sadly most of our parties have drifted right over the last 50-odd years so even our Labour is further right than a lot of people are happy with, and the Liberals (with a big L, they're fiscal liberals but social conservatives) got their arses kicked last election. Greens have some support at least and some teeth to fight where they can but they're not terribly well organised.
But we do have issues with far-right groups popping up and the importing of terrible US ideology. There are SovCits, Neo-Nazi groups and very open racism from groups too. I've even heard a protest group chanting "Let's Go Brandon" because something something
The bizarre transference of American conservative bigotry and greed rubbing off abroad was what I was aware of.
Frickin' rupert Murdoch News.
The export of fear-mongering news is abhorrent, I traveled a lot recently and was shocked every time someone said, "but you know Trump makes good points", what happened multiple times in countries separated by distance and I assumed political and ideological temperament.
Like this romanian or Australian or Portuguese beach bum sitting with me, having a beer and eating the local cuisine will suddenly just bust out "Good thing about that Mexican wall though, right?" or "Q knows what he's talking about with pizza gate" or the equivalent and I'll be stunned at the presumed insider "knowledge" of American conservative talking points and that someone thousands of miles away has somehow assimilated (or been poisoned with) these weird American conservative biases and misinformation and it's become part of their personality.
Yeah the US actually currently has a better quality of life than Canada. Those migrating here should be careful what they wish for. Life in Canada is really hard
Pretty sure he straight up pulled that one out of his ass
Canada is basically always mentioned as a place to live with a high quality of life, even with all that’s wrong here I’d sure asf rather live here instead of say South Sudan
They're probably thinking about housing prices, which are worse in Canada compared to income.
I can't find a single source that ranks the US above Canada on quality of life. You got any kind of source for that that isn't anecdotal?
If the country famous for shooting kids twice a day has a better QOL, things sound pretty rough.
I like traveling and I was like oh Canada has so much open land, maybe I should look into traveling and the housing there, and I was completely blown away by the unbelievable cost and just practical shortage. Truly the best of luck to you guys.
Are there any housing policies coming out anytime soon that might address those problems?
I'm just going to keep traveling.
Just a reminder that political affiliation is not a protected class and can be discriminated against with impunity.