Somebody should make a movie around this message of jaded adults refinding their humanity in an absurd, hyperconsumerist world through the rejection of cynicism and embracing of liking things again, but cleverly disguise it as a movie made to sell plastic dolls to little girls to play on the concept of hyperconsumerism.
I think this hypothetical movie will be a smashing success in the box office. And probably win the lead actress an Oscar this year.
Totally irrelevant to your comment, keep up the strike and hold the line! Assuming you're the real Margot Robbie and have a prolific platform. I know it's not fair, especially to the less recognizable members but a lot of other people who are thinking about unionizing are watching the WGA and SAG strikes to see if labour can still win. It's not just you guys, we're all with you. Even if they're too stupid to realize this strike is more important than a new season of NCIS. Labour winning this strike proves that labour isn't out of the fight and capital hasn't completely won. Stay strong! Hold the line!
I'd like to think even as a jaded adult this isn't just an impersonation.
And I assume the Ken dance off scene is an allegory to the obliteration of the ego resulting in self reflection?
Ok if you had the opportunity to make Ryan Gosling do a dumb song and dance number you would have done the same thing.
It's funny for actors to play against type because it's unexpected. Like Leslie Nielsen in "Airplane!", for example.
I absolutely agree, I think you ahem that lead actress should win an Oscar.
But I think it's important that we don't let enjoying things become synonymous with liking (mindless purchasing) the corporate products that are being sold to us at a breakneck pace.
What ways do we have to still create our own ways to have fun? How can we make our own "weird barbies"?
The difference is that you should enjoy things not because nothing matters in this world (that would be hedonism.), but because the world matters to you, and you will fight to make it better.
There comes a point in everybody's life where they are faced with their own mortality and finally figure out what they are meant to do. None of us will be here forever, so, I think we should use our short time on this Earth to fight for a world where everyone is free to find their way in life, and be themselves again.
Kinda vague, but everyone is different, so, everyone will have to figure it out on their own.
Approximately 99% of stuff that gets posted here are not memes. I think you're fighting a losing battle here.
Can we, without relentlessly criticizing, let people have their un-funny, non-memes and screenshots and whatever little harmless things in which they've managed to find a tiny shriveled flower of joy?
IMHO an idea that spreads person to person, not just PSAs that are unlikely to be shared further.
So the avocado face on the bottom right of this image IS a meme. And if this Tweet turns into a copypasta, then it's a meme.
I've seen this particular tweet like a dozen times now, so it's definitely spread far and wide. Some people only think of image macros as memes, but yes the broader definition I've seen is essentially a viral concept.
Could we, without relentlessly criticizing, let people have... whatever little harmless things in which they've managed to find a tiny shriveled flower of joy?
You're 100% right. But I've seen comics and tweets do well here, so this post isn't going against the norm
If there was some other place to post that would get the same traction I'd gladly put it there. But its not really that big of a deal at the end of the day
completely agree. people can have their decorations whenever and whatever else their heart desires, but i draw the line at christmas music
I don’t mind people putting up decorations early, it’s when stores swap out their seasonal stock early that triggers me
Last year local Home Depot started clearancing out Halloween decorations to make room for Christmas stuff in September.
Halloween is the only good holiday. It is the only one that maintains any connection to it's pre modern roots. It is about giving candy to children for free fuck capitlaism. It is about enjoying everything society says is wrong. It requires some creativity in ways most people don't get to experience the rest of the year. It invites experimentation and self expression.
Halloween is still pretty capitalistic. You have to buy the candy you are handing out, and are encouraged to purchase decorations and make your home thematic to the season
Have you just never been to a club on halloween? Halloween is, by no stretch of the imagination, free from capitalist endeavors.
Those between 18 and 34 participate at the highest rate, and they end up spending the most on their costumes (capitalism).
You can like Halloween all you want, don't kid yourself into believing that it's somehow "pure"
Letting go of the part of you that judges other people is important. It hurts, because that is one of the few avenues of control we can experience in our lives alienated by capitlaism.
Letting your self be free of those childish emotions and learning to replace them with love for your fellows is the path towards true happiness however. That is one of those weird tricks the government doesn't want you to know. Except it is real and it works. The more negative you are about other people the more negativity you experience and the more treats you need to buy to survive. The heart of every true revolutionary is full of love.
Yeah, you got me there that one is valid. After the revolution when all the hungry are fed and the cold are warm, then we can spend the time trying to help them grow and overcome whatever caused this. Until then however
I don't criticize people for enjoying those things, I criticize the corporations for relentlessly monetizing those things, making them insufferable and sucking all the enjoyment out of them for money.
You're welcome to dislike something, but that doesn't mean you need to discourage someone else from liking that thing. You can share an opinion without making it sound like it's a sin against nature to disagree with that opinion.
Then how else am I supposed to feel superior compared to everyone else if I don't impose my standards on them? I'm just trying to help them. It's like you want to live in a world where people don't know they're loosers. That's dumb, you're dumb. /s
I can discourage or encourage whatever I want. I didn’t elect you king of the discourse or agree to your rules
Criticizing things is fine but there is in fact a line where you become the asshole for doing it too hard or in a bad faith way. Or targeting individual people (particularly minors). The PSL thing is a good example because while we can criticize the comedication of it, some of the discourse around it is really misogynistic.
I literally don't care about being an asshole, that's fine. I can criticize whatever I want
You should probably care about things like misogyny and harassing minors lol. Which is what my post was about.
I wasn't accusing you of it. We aren't in DMs right now. It was a general statement about something I think is true, that people can use "criticizing things' as a guise for assholishness and even bigotry. Not saying you're doing that.
Nor did I elect you king of what I'm allowed to enjoy. Go ahead and police people's thoughts if you insist, but don't expect to be included by people you willfully offend.
Go ahead and police people's thoughts if you insist, but don't expect to be included by people you willfully offend.
I will, and you can't exclude me lmao. Deal with it, you have to deal with critiques and disagreements, how terrible for you
people you willfully offend.
Lmao anyone offended because someone criticised their latest marvel slop or videogame deserves to be their head shoved in a toilet.
If intolerant bigots could read that they’d be very upset
Edit: and here they come to out themselves
These people want a perfect protected treat echo chamber where they can consoom disney shit endlessly without anyone troubling them with "critiques" or "disagreement"
Eh that depends. The reactionary ragebait Youtubers who do this should all be thrown into a pit together and I'm suspicious of anyone echoing certain talking points about certain media because of them.
Sorry but I like [thing] and therefore [thing] must be held inviolate from even the mildest criticism.
PSLs are gross, overly sugarladen drinks and emblematic of both crass consumerism and America's obsession with unhealthy food. Halloween decorations are gaudy and an eyesore and also emblematic of crass consumerism, while also representing a non-trivial amount of non-biodegradable plastic waste that just winds up buried in landfills every year.
Ahh yes, the classic emblem of America's crass consumerism checks notes flavored coffee.
PSLs and Halloween decorations are bourgeois decadance, clearly.
lattes are french and therefore bourgeois, real proles drink black coffee or take trucker pills.
No, not flavored coffee. PSLs. Different things. It's like saying "pork sandwiches" when someone brings up the McRib. It's not that simple. Food has a cultural component tied to its manufacture and identification. And, similar to the McRib, Starbucks style PSLs are food that probably shouldn't exist and which only does as a byproduct of market capitalism. They're the Lacanian 'object a' - an empty, manufactured falseness. We don't desire the thing itself, but the thing whose absence it symbolizes. What you're really consuming when you drink a PSL or a McRib is its innate mechanical predictability.
Have you considered the possibility that some people like the taste of pumpkin spice lattes? Or do you just get to dismiss everything you personally dislike as "The Lacanian 'object a?'" You could substitute literally any food or drink for PSLs in what you said, it's completely meaningless.
It's just empty words and phrases for you to feel superior to others based on what treats you enjoy or don't enjoy.
It is a lie. Reject false happiness. Enjoy the community of helping your fellow worker.
I mean a lot of hexbear, and Lemmy in general, is like that. Just shitting on other people's happiness over the most trivial of things, bringing out 500 reasons why thing sucks. And it's done in a hypocritical manner too, if you were to apply their own logic to things they liked and criticise it, they'd get really angry or give you that fake "I don't care" attitude that everyone can see through. This happens with every discussion about "treats" on hexbear in particular.
::: spoiler a little meme Me shitting on other people's "treats"
Other people shitting on my "treats" :::
It's like "Gandhi". Seems like freaking no one on the internet knows how to spell that name.
I once turned in a project on that very individual at secondary school in which I had his name misspelled the entire way through.
It did not go well.
You had me until the too early decorations. The other things don't take away my joy. That does.
Also harm isn't why people care. Its the erosion of well defined seasons in order to push corporate products on us and in the end we get fucked up melding of events like remembrance day while people are preoccupied trying to get Christmas shopping in.
It turns what was once cultural events into corporate buy shit quarters. Because its easier for Walmart to sell Christmas stuff in October then wait until it's the season.
Its a loss and erosion of an important shared culture in favor of only corporate sponsored ones.
How does me putting an inflatable grim reaper in my yard in February take away your joy?
Exactly. It's the animal parts of our nature that we should be relentlessly chasing.
Love, sex, dancing, laughing. To see the sun rise and watch it set again on a cool autumn day. To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
The problem here is that all of these people have turned their consumer choices into their identities and thus they feel personally attacked whenever they hear criticism of the products they consume.
It's incredibly unhealthy and something everyone should work to weed out of their mindset if they want to grow as a person instead of being perpetually unhappy because others criticising things isn't going anywhere.
The drug cartels receive a substantial amount of money from avocado production (weird but apparently true)
Cinnamon is carcinogenic
Many fandoms have a disturbingly sexual element (especially my little pony)
Halloween is a celebration of consumerism, microplastics and diabetes.
I'm sure there's a dark side to d&d but I can't think of it right now.
You're welcome
I'm sure there's a dark side to d&d but I can't think of it right now.
It’s satan.
Source: I grew up in the 80s.
Cinnamon is carcinogenic???? You know what, I don't care. I love cinnamon, and this propaganda won't change my mind. I'm going to plug my ears and go "lalalalalala"
oh is it one of those "feed a mouse ungodly amounts of the substance to see if it causes cancer" studies?
Oh those are my favorite. "We gave a mouse 3x it's body weight in this substance and it got cancer. This must be carcinogenic!"
So I had to look that up and ask a friend versed in nutrition. Apparently no adverse findings wrt Ceylon cinnamon yet.
That's why your body rejects eating a spoon full of cinnamon as seen in that stupid challenge a few years ago.
You forgot the sugar levels of pumpkin spice, which make Mountain Dew look like a health drink.
Rofl. I’m so relieved. I thought this was going to e akin to “teletubbies are infecting our children with a gay agenda!”
My first thought was "It's never too early for Halloween". I can understand hating early Christmas decorations, because Christmas is an all-out capitalist fuckfest with irritating jingles. But who hates Halloween?
Honestly it's probably in part BECAUSE OF the damn early Christmas decorations that Halloween stuff has been expanding earlier into the fall/summer. Because by mid October you have to wade through a sea of holly jolly bullshit to get to it. Anyone with an issue with the early Halloween stuff, go take it up with Christmas for trying to annex October and not staying on their fucking side of the 31st.
people like christmas and november sucks. Christmas has expanded because everyone wanted it to. Halloween sucks as a holiday and frankly October would be better if it was Christmas
Halloween sucks as a holiday
I've never seen such a bad opinion from a Hexbear user.
I guess this is one of those YMMW situations. I'm sure Halloween can be fun and cool in America but outside of America it really sucks.
Where I'm from Halloween was not a thing until ten or fifteen years ago when toy stores decided they wanted to use the opportunity to market ugly plastic decorations and shitty costumes. There's none of the cultural background that gives celebrations like this meaning and it all feels fake, like people are pretending to be Americans rather than taking part in a genuine celebration.
Celebrating Halloween as a non-American also has a tiresome aspect of cultural imperialism in it. Adopting stuff from other cultures is fine but why does it have to be stuff from burgerland every single time? Why can't we do Dias de los muertos or Chinese New year instead?
Ah, yeah, I should say my opinion is entirely based around my experience as an American. It's pretty deeply ingrained here- I mean imagine telling an American that they have to tolerate children running around at 9pm in the dark, they can't drive their cars around because the streets are clogged with those children and furthermore, they need to stock up on candy because they will be giving it away to the kids.
And there is a culture tradition of vandalizing the homes of people who are stingy about the candy.
If it were new here it'd never even catch on, just like public libraries.
it's just a bit underwhelming. Kids knock on your door and you watch a scary movie. You don't even get a day off and it's not an all day thing it's just early night
Yeah but you get to dress your kid up as a velociraptor or a ghost buster or something and then interact with people who live near you in a friendly way which doesn't exist outside of Halloween in this atomized hellscape. Plus it's way more than one day, I'm putting giant spiders all over my place for at least a month. The webs are hell to take down so I might even leave em up through November out of laziness lol
that is true I just wish we culturally made more of a thing of it. If we are to treat it seriously as a holiday it should involve days off work and events
I mean you're entitled to your opinion but surely this whole thread is evidence to the fact that people also enjoy Halloween. Halloween extending earlier doesn't really affect anything, there's not much in the way of holidays in September or hell, even August. Nobody is gonna claim pumpkins and candy are ruining Labor Day. Whereas beyond a certain point, Christmas starts to steamroll other holidays like some sort of tinsel covered Akira. I don't think it's unfair to want to enjoy Halloween on it's own without being inundated with Mariah Carey.
Also we gotta put the line somewhere before it just invades the whole bloody year. You've got most of two freaking months already.
fuck christmas it's a waste of fucking time
fuck santa he's just out to get your dime
The Way
Normal people may take up a sport to have fun. Me? I will sit next to you at the houseparty and complain about how sports is draining the brainpower of countless clever people who could be solving real problems, like optimising the fun and variety out of the latest D&D ruleset
If I can't criticize every insignificant difference in lifestyle that I have with a stranger that I probably won't ever talk to again in my life. How else will I stroke my ego and fulfill my basic need of feeling superior to others?
Isn't the whole gripe with Pumpkin Spiced whatever the same with Christmas decorations popping up in mid-October? Like, its not fucking special if you're putting nutmeg in my coffee in June.
Same with the D&D / Marvel / Roblox / Whatever fandom of choice. It was fine twenty years ago when it was the New Thing. Now we're pushing 100+ hours of Disneyfied extended universe content on Marvel alone. Half my "recommended" podcast feed is six C-list celebrities making the soy face in front of a pair of crossed battle axes. And my street is lined with shitty faux-bakery corporate cafeterias trying to sell a piece of rye bread covered in guacamole for $15/slice.
Who actually enjoys this shit anymore? It feels like I'm being sealed into Disneyland, like a Pharaoh buried alive in his pyramid. It stopped being fun ages ago. Now I'm torn between boredom and horror.
You missed the entire point. If you're bored with it all, that's valid. If you don't like psls too early, that's valid. But let other people enjoy things. If they get enjoyment out of these products, does that really negatively affect you?
let other people enjoy things
What if they aren't enjoying it?
What if they're just getting caught up in the oppressive frenzy of hype culture, getting bombarded with ad-induced anxiety, or simply trying to fit in with whatever they're told is "normal"? What if the emperor has no clothes but we're all told its rude to point?
Am I allowed to make fun of Morbius? Or is that under the Let People Enjoy Things rubric?
If they get enjoyment out of these products, does that really negatively affect you?
If its getting injected into every webpage, spamming up my email, blaring across the radio, on billboards along every mile of road, and natively included in every other media venue I visit?
Yeah.
So who cares then? Stop worrying about other people and worry about yourself. Let other people enjoy things you think are a waste of time. If the worst it does is some billboards and spam, then it's the same as all the other spam. Letting yourself get worked up over it is only affecting you. You aren't making them better, you're making yourself worse with anger. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go enjoy a pumpkin spice latte.
So who cares then?
Presumably the people drowning in this suffocating deluge of mass marketing.
Right, but they don't feel like they're suffering, they're out enjoying things. You're the one who is suffering, and it's only because you're letting it.
they don't feel like they're suffering
I've heard people who get tattoos often enough begin to enjoy the feel of the needle on their skin. So who are you to say tattooing bar codes on everyone's necks is a bad thing? Don't yuck my yum!
Christ then be mad at advertisers then, not the people who enjoy things. I don't know man, just sounds like you're going to be triggered by almost anything if people drinking coffee they like triggers you this much. I don't know how to help you with that or what you want from me.
Is it equally valid to complain about seeing ads for Mother's Day gifts when your mother was a drug addict and extensively abusive? Because that applies to me personally, and let me tell you, during the entire lead up to Mother's Day, and all the ads they make claiming how much your mother gives up for you, and loves you, and cherishes you... I don't complain even a bit.
Because other people have mothers who do love them. And they're the target of those ads, not me.
How disgustingly privileged it is to proclaim that since you aren't the target of advertising, it shouldn't exist.
Ads for Mother’s Day gifts are indeed valid to complain about, regardless of one’s situation, because they cheapen their bond between mother and child to a transactional relationship, not uplift moms.
I’d wager that because were the targets of advertising, it shouldn’t exist. Ok my problem isn’t with advertising, per se, but with the insane shit it’s been since Bernays.
If someone liking something I don't like doesn't negatively impact me then doesn't that mean that me not liking something that someone likes doesn't negatively impact them?
If so then why does any of this matter? They're free to gush on about the thing and I'm free to complain about it.
They want narrative control and they want a squishy feel good world without any critiques. Poptimism and it’s consequences has been amazing for corporate brands who can now act like victims when the biggest franchises on earth are mocked, and their fans do the victim whining on their behalf
I don't think anybody's being pressured into drinking pumpkin spice lattes or eating avocado toast lmao. D&D is a fun and good creative, sociable activity and more people getting into it is good, actually.
Any popular thing is going to have hype around it, that doesn't mean that it's inherently bad. You're free to dislike popular stuff but saying it's bad just because it's popular is a bad take.
I found my tiny shriveled flower of joy in being a hater. Today's target: people who upvoted this garbage. The fuck is wrong with you? It's not a meme and it's not funny, it doesn't belong on this community, and it's so sanctimonious it gave me diarrhea.
Tomorrow's target: people who push all their furniture up against the wall
Thursday's target: Scots
Serious.
If you are seriously annoyed by any of these things, then it should be a reminder of how unburdened and care free your life is that such a thing actually bugs you, and spark a sense of pride and contentment instead.