https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/14/neo-nazis-springfield-ohio-haitian-immigrants
Springfield’s immigrant community was targeted by far-right extremists months before Trump shared racist rumors
Subtitle: Springfield’s immigrant community was targeted by far-right extremists months before Trump shared racist rumors
Immigrants are the backbone and lifeblood of America.
Nazis are the opposite and offer nothing but bile and self-loathing.
BLOOD FOR THE TREE OF LIBERTY!
SKULLS FOR THE NATO BASE FOUNDATIONS!
KILL KILL KILL!
I think they go better as the long burn log to toss on once its already going. Moreover if you can stack a few up.
members of the group pointed guns at cars and told people to “go the fuck back to Africa”
Wow, way to highlight that you are a completely ignorant douchebag
"Charitably", I assume because they're massive racists that they're referring to the West and Central African origins of Haitians as an ethnic group and not confusing where Haiti is, but Nazis still deserve to be jailed over their disgusting ideology regardless of if they know what continent Haiti is on.
You know what Nazis bring to your town? Garbage. I don't know why this is difficult. The Nazi symbol should be banned from all public use and Nazis should be arrested and held as enemies of the state.
I don't know why this is difficult.
Those pesky 1st and 4th amendments to the US Constitution. They apply to everyone, not just those you agree with.
Hate speech isn't a matter of opinion. You're not special just because you have opinions.
You can't just scream at people to go back to Africa.
You come off as incredibly racist and ignorant since those people are U.S citizens.
You're not exactly defended by the constitution if you wave your gun at people who are innocent.
So pipe down.
So where is the line? Because their exercise of their rights limits others as they are no longer safe to go outside. Your rights and freedoms end where mine begin... It should not be the right of the loudest, or right of the person most careless of others, should it? Is that what we want for society?
You want to deprive citizens of their constitutionally protected rights because you disagree with them, because you've defined them "enemies of the state". You're a nationalist fascist.
Good luck with that.
At some point speech becomes hate speech that actually hurts people. In Germany there are laws against that, I'm sure the US has too.
Fortunately, feelings aren't protected in the US. Hate speech can only be used to show intent in the commission of an actual crime.
Should've used the "fire in a theater" example with stochastic terrorism from a position of authority.
Why is it I need make your argument for you? Think about that one for awhile.
Should’ve used the “fire in a theater” example with stochastic terrorism from a position of authority.
How about the example of someone saying black immigrants are eating dogs in a debate carried by all networks and live on multiple streaming platforms?
I think I can say that I am living in germany, currently a country not under the government of national fascists, that has a law against so called "Volksverhetzung" which has been introduced quite literally to prevent some speech of the nationalist fascists, to prevent them from spreading their hateful ideology. Maybe you wanna think about that for awhile.
The prolitariat doesn't need the protection of governance from ideas. That's how we get Nazis. Study your history.
They already have thought about it - see the part where they're glad our rights aren't curtailed just because someone might say some words that hurt your feelings.
Germany can take their nanny state bullshit and fuck right off.
You go tell that to the entire generation that had to fight and die to free us of the Nazi plague. Nazis have no place in this country and are an enemy to everything we stand for. There is Zero reason we should allow them any space to speak or live with us.
Sure the Nazis get 1st and 4th but BLM gets a police riot. If we didn't have those rights, they don't have those rights. There's no double standard here.
enemies of the state
Arresting enemies of the state?
Well, the Nazis would certainly agree with that.
You're assuming they want to apply rules consistently and fairly. When the out-group is them, they'll whine about freeze peach until we tolerate their intolerance.
The Problem is that we shift the talking point from "we shouldn't arrest people for their political opinion" to "which political opinion should we arrest" which is exactly what the Nazis want
No they don't, this has been discussed to death and you are very wrong.
Fascism is not just another political opinion that involves genocide. It is a genocide threat that involves voting. If you're going to make a credible threat, expect physical defense.
If you're actually serious, please take a moment to consider that you are spreading Nazi propaganda.
Lovely concept, but that's not how it works. If we imprison Nazis for their opinion being "against the state" it's a short way from imprisoning communists. Afterall, communists killed more people than fascists, so we should also arrest them. Starting to see how this in the Nazis interest?
Them we get to the debate to be about "violent" immigrants or "vile" [insert enemy nationality]. Why should immigrants and enemies get better treatment than our own people? So they go as well.
I'll just leave this here: https://martin-niemoeller-stiftung.de/martin-niemoeller/als-die-nazis-die-kommunisten-holten
Don't be stupid: Don't normalize prosecuting political opponents. All it takes then is for them to get 1(one) election and the oppression will simply change to you. And then it's game over.
Instead build a societal agreement that political prosecution and other fascist methods are bad. So that when the fascists try to employ them, the population won't simply play along.
Yes, I assume all sovereign nations have laws against enemies of the state. Ours are specified in the constitution. The sentencing is laid out in or laws as well. Existing as a NAZI doesn't qualify, but acting as a NAZI very well might qualify you depending on the acts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_terrorism
Stochastic terrorism is political violence that has been instigated by hostile public rhetoric which is directed at a group or an individual. Unlike incitement to terrorism, stochastic terrorism is accomplished by using indirect, vague, or coded language that allows the instigator to plausibly disclaim responsibility for the resulting violence.[1] A key element is the use of social media and other distributed forms of communications where the person who carries out the violence has no direct connection to the users of violent rhetoric.[2]
This isn't stochastic terrorism. This is just terrorism. They are trying to terrorize the Haitians into leaving Springfield:
In December, a Springfield man was sentenced to 20 years in federal jail for hate crimes after attacking eight Haitians earlier in 2023. Last year, the local Haitian church was broken into and damaged twice. Longtime Black residents of Springfield have reported being verbally abused when walking on the city’s streets, having been confused with members of the Haitian community.
The stochastic terrorism is the wild claims infrahumanising certain groups on social media. Then someone decides to act on those claims, and the people who posted them say "I had no idea that would happen".
Rinse and repeat until you've made the world worse, then die with lots of money.