The hard part is scaling and building a user base, but threads simply bootstrapped both off Instagram so it probably wasn't hard for them to make.
Not sure about Twitter internals, but doing a Twitter clone is one of the most popular Ruby on Rails noob exercise.
Anybody can make a twitter that can handle 100 users. The challenge is making worth at the scale of twitter
Sure, but the "scale of Twitter" becomes a more and more accessible goal by the day. elon fires everyone and intentionally breaks everything while only new feature releases are "new and exciting" paid tiers of horseshit that nobody wants. I'm not paying a penny for the privilege to yell into his sad, shrinking room with the remaining 17 nazis, 4200 corporate brands and 1.75 million bots that are left to make up its userbase.
Ah yeah, probably because Twitter was originally written in Ruby on Rails and it's always nice to do exercises that feel like something real. But yeah, making things actually scale is pretty difficult and they felt they had to move from RoR to something else (Scala in this instance).
Of course, Elon Musk probably fired everyone responsible for making it scale properly, so at this point, stopping the growth of Twitter is probably good, because otherwise it might run into issues again.
I bet they copied some code for mastodon and paid Gargron to not try to go after them. That would definitely give them a huge lift. Otherwise, I don't see how they were able to quickly come up with this. Tech companies take forever to build stuff usually
Sorry, you lost this bet. It's not mastodon they copied, but Instagram: https://www.emergetools.com/deep-dives/threads
I’ve just remembered “I’m a free speech absolutist, but not when it comes to parodies of me” and “tweeting my publicly available flight logs is sending out assassination coordinates”. What a joke of an individual. Cry more Elmo.
The same as they first in line to get government money and whine when extra cent goes to public needs.
I'm in the EV market right now, looking for a good commuter car, and Tesla went from my #1 spot to one of the last options. It's amazing how well he tanked that whole business. Luckily there's a ton of
competition cheaters now
A conservative was talking at me a few weeks ago about how much he loved how Musk was pissing off the libs and about how he's a shrewd businessman. I asked if he would buy a Tesla and he said never. He didn't have a response when I told him Musk doesn't sound like a good businessman.
My dad was going to buy a Tesla up until a few years ago, there's far more and better competition nowadays. And it's really seeming Tesla's are actively dangerous.
Sure seems like it, and I see an article every other week about the self driving aspect hurting someone or getting into trouble. Just not worth the hassle.
What is at the top of your list? I'm leaning towards the Ford Mach E with awd but have only looked deeply at half of what is available. Tesla is at the bottom of my list also
Mach e is up there. Currently number one spot is the Hyundai ioniq 6, it looks like a direct competitor to the model 3. Nissan leaf and I think Honda are in the running too. Idk gotta start test driving to really know. I'll still test drive a model 3, but from what I hear and see I probably won't go for it
Yeah Hyundai in general recently has knocked it out of the park with their design language and the ioniqs are some of the best in their lineup
late as hell but yes please the N74 is one of the most gorgeous cars to come out of this decade
I was in the same boat as you having the Tesla be my dream car until all this Twitter shit hit the fan. My roommate has an Ioniq 5 which I liked so much I got an Ioniq 6 as soon as it came out. I absolutely love it.
My friend bought a 22 leaf last year and from what I know, she loves it. It definitely took some getting used to! We still normally take my car on road trips, though.
Man those Ioniqs look so good in person too. I'm considering buying one for my wife next year, if I can convince her to get ride of her beloved Prius
Well their brake lights wouldn't turn on during regenerative braking and Hyundai has had some bouts of hacking scandals. But I have heard owners saying food things about them.
I’ve had my Mach-E GT for two years now and it’s been very reliable and very comfortable. There were a couple of small hiccups early on, but I can’t see going back to non-electric cars. Would definitely buy it again!
My parents got a 2021 Mach E and they love it. I've driven it a few times. I'm eyeing one for my next car too, though I've also been interested in Hyundai's offerings. I've never wanted a Hyundai in my life but their new EV lineup looks pretty compelling.
Just include a reaching leg thingy as well then you can drive from the right side too. Musk, if you do this I will sue you for "cheating".
Idk, from what I heard he barely spends his time with Tesla these days due to being preoccupied with twitter 😂
He did manage it. Managed to turn it into a pile of shit bigger than the one on Jurassic Park
I have even forgotten he is in cars business, more news from him when he is manipulating crypto prices
What grinds my gears the most is that every fucking manufacturer sucks at software and usability so hard it hurts every time. I rather have bad UX than bow to this moron though.
If you're in California, be aware that there's a hidden/sneaky "EV tax" and you'll be paying (nearly) double registration fees every year. Mine went from $330 to alamost $700.
Also public charging is starting to be a problem as there's not nearly enough charging stations and CA does nothing about it.
I mean I wouldn't call it sneaky, it's not like a conspiracy or anything. Most states pay for road maintenance and projects from gas taxes. Since EVs don't use gas but still use roads they should pay their share too, so it makes sense it'd come from the registration. It's still way less than paying for gas or taxes on gas.
Should be a variable charge like a gas tax placed on public EV chargers and not a one time yearly fee. There is a big consumption difference between a Hummer EV and a Smart EV.
EDIT: Not every state has thought clearly about additional EV fees. Starting later this year, Texans who drive electric cars will pay significantly more in registration fees than an average gas car driver pays in gas taxes each year…because it’s fucking Texas.
The issue with taxing public charging is you can just charge at home to avoid the tax. Also there are many public level 2 chargers that are free.
I'd much rather pay a flat extra tax than have my personal charging habits monitored. I don't need any more spies in my home trying to charge me based on my behaviors. I'd rather pay the flat fee and keep my privacy.
You're also not paying gas taxes though. They have to make up the lost gas tax revenue somehow. Realistically, it should be based on the miles driven and the weight of the car (road damages increases exponentially with the weight of the vehicle), but for now they just have that flat EV tax.
I just went MA -> TN -> OH -> MA and only had one place where all stations were offline, but they came back within a half hour.
I’ve never had a Tesla supercharger be offline.
However I’ve had several EA chargers derated, one at 30kWh. Not to mention broken stalls. Or how about EA charging me the full price even though I paid for their membership thing?
ChargePoint never hit full speed on my last trip.
A random CCS station did better than any of the big names.
Tesla is by far the most reliable, why do you think auto companies are changing to NACS?
Maybe he would be interested in going to space on his starship rocket, launched from his newly designed launch pad (by himself, no less, who needs rules and pesky engineers?)
If we're bbq'ing and you're using silverware I think you're doing it wrong, all bbq is finger food and bread is your napkin. It's like the only time eating like you're 6 when you're 56 is socially acceptable.
That’s a valid point, what kind of cookware should we use and how should we catch the wild game?
It's so much work though.
You have to really scrub them to get all the lotion and bronzer off. Then given they're absolutely saturated in recreational and prescription drugs you have to brine them for around a week.
Then it's another day in the smoker low-and-slow for something that's honestly not very tasty. They're "ok" if you soak them in BBQ sauce, but it's one of those things people eat just to say they did -- not because they taste good.
The least appetizing meal… Musk is all fat and squishy. Lumpy and yech. But I'll do my part. Sign me up.
It's not cheating to hire the workers you unceremoniously fired to save money asshole. It's called capitalism.
Then again, every super wealthy capitalist doesn't actually want capitalism. They want feudalism, where nobody else is allowed to compete with them and if someone makes them angry they can banish them from society without trial.
Usually they don't allow competition, this one is a bit special because it involves two billionaires and it's basically a show-off. The regular case is: they buy any potential competitor in an early stage and let it die. The 5% of the start-up CEOs that don't just take the few hundred millions will face a nasty attack where they steal employees or do some negative marketing or whatever sabotage fits.
“Competition is fine” says the guy that was born into wealth and was given a huge leg up in life. Although, I really hope they duke it out in court with Meta just so they burn through piles of money needlessly.
I’m thinking their lawyers are already on retainer and being paid anyway? The money they waste will be taxpayers funding the court system.
I thought being on retainer meant that they get paid to be ready to take on a case if needed and ensure they get at least partially paid for their services. I bet a major case like this would call for a whole team of lawyers all billing for hundreds of hrs of work. I don’t think a retainer would cover everything. I could be wrong though, I’m not a lawyer.
As if there's any secret to Twitter that any person couldn't figure out, we're talking about 280 character messages. I hope they both just cancel each other out.
Scaling it to Twitter’s size is the difficult part. Although Elon has been doing some excellent work in bringing decades worth of engineering work into decay within the short span of the past 9 months.
Facebook is significantly larger than Twitter, in the Billions (depressing). Guessing they have decent ideas how to scale an operation in the 10s of millions of people.
I wonder if Elon helped bolster engineering jobs in other companies. Like "See what happens when you get rid of the engineers you think you don't need?"
Meta (for better or worse - definitely for worse) definitely is one of the few entities with the engineering expertise to pull it off. As for driving Twitter employees to its competitors, that's definitely happened.
Last I heard, Twitter's engineering team now mostly consists of a skeleton crew, and the only reason they're likely there is because of the terms on their H1B Visas.
edit: Slightly misread the second point. Given the rounds of mass layoffs in tech companies, I am not sure Elon's Twitter has served as much as a warning as it should've.
Threads is bootstrapped off Instagram. People I know who tried it out like it because they don't need to rebuild their network, it just copies the Instagram followers over so you start with all your follows and followers. Instagram also has over 2 billion users so they probably just tacked this on top of the existing Instagram infrastructure and called it a day. Instagram already supported comments so the backend for this probably required minimal changes.
Welfare queen, that relies on government subsidies to run his business, accuses other billionaires of cheating in the market. Hilarious
What they do is pass laws to make their cheating legal and therefore not cheating, while making actual honest competition illegal, and therefore cheating. The game is easy when it's rigged.
Poaching Twitter employees and stealing “trade secrets”.
Because you know, it has nothing to do with the fact that Threads is basically just Instagram with no pictures.
Also according the Meta communications director, "No one on the Threads engineering team is a former Twitter employee — that's just not a thing,"
https://www.npr.org/2023/07/07/1186367564/threads-meta-twitter-lawsuit
Elon fired so many people he just thought some bound to have ended up in that team and was just shooting in the dark.
Isn’t the FTC in the process of banning non-compete agreements? So the rules that Musk is claiming were broken are on their way out?
NCAs are already largely unenforceable anyway. Federal and state laws prohibit them except in cases of direct competition and the employee having specialized knowledge or skills. And even then, they can't be for long periods of time, and if they would prevent the employee from a livelihood they can't be enforced.
Usually what happens is someone who has a NCA will be hired by a new employer. That employer will see how long the NCA is in force and just have the employee on the payroll but not working until it expires. That, or they will pay the penalty in the NCA, whichever is cheaper.
Twitter is in direct competition with Facebook/meta/threads. And Twitter layoffs were 6 months or less ago. And these guys presumably have specialized knowledge.
So it seems like many of the criteria would be met.
NCA usually for employees that resigned. That would be messed up if they can just hire some smart people and immediately fires them to block them for joining competitors
Wait, didn't he buy his way into Tesla and then forced out the previous CEO or something?
I can't believe I'm rooting for The Zuck. Worse case of "enemy of my enemy" ever.
Though if Twitter does fall Meta should be next. It won't be, but it's nice to imagine.
We've really entered the Twilight Zone. I'm rooting for The Zuck to win this battle and I'm rooting for Disney in Florida.
As much as Disney influenced my childhood, I definitely have my criticisms on their practices as a company.
Them fighting Ronny is not one of them. I was gonna make a pun on Desantis, but I drew up blank
Elmo is angy that Meta hired the employees he fired (or who quit because Twitter's a fucking dumpster fire) to build a Twitter-like service.
can we not drag elmo's good name through the mud? i understand it is to dunk on elon but elmo is a wonderful character from my childhood and my four year old daughter loves him also. i just don’t think it is fair to elmo
I thought the same when people described those 2 jabronis that fucked up the end of Game of Thrones as D&D. Like come on, fam. D&D is way cooler than those 2.
According to them they did hire some former Twitter employees but didn't have them working on threads.
It doesn't even matter, Elvis fired them, slandered them on Twitter, and now he's upset that a different company hired them??? Are they supposed to just stay unemployed?
Many fired devs also had a working visa, so if they wouldn't have work, they would have to move back. I don't root for Meta, but i can take a little win if Musk is losing.
Jesus Christ I completely forgot that many of the workers were/are H1B visas. Possibly here for many years with spouse and kids. Our immigration system is so fucking dogshit placing all the power over someone's life in the hands of people like Zuck or Elon. Open borders is best obviously but within some neoliberal system the cruelty here and the privatization of said cruelity is really beyond the pale. Even the chuds should be pissed about this situation since those immigrant workers will be willing to work for dogshit wages and under dogshit conditions (not blaming them, it's not their fault) and thus lower the working conditions for citizens. Those visas should be unconditionally granted indefinitely pending permanent resident status (green card) and completely untied to any employer. Maybe if I go super libby I'd say make it a requirement they work for a minimum of 6 months within the applied-for position or industry barring being fired (for any reason to avoid BS by employers) or the company going bankrupt. Then they can do whatever they want while waiting for permanent residence... The way it is now is just absolutely bonkers and clearly as fuck designed to torture people with the constant "stay in line, stfu, eat your crumbs or you and your wife will be on a boat next week." Pretty gross. Shithole country.
Its also worth noting that even though musk isn't happy about it, legally he can't do shit. He fired those people; Meta did not poach those employees.
In the letter sent to the Zuck by his lawyers it's stated that ex-Twitter engineers still have access to Twitter trade secrets, which doesn't make much sense for people that haven't worked there for months. This means that either he is basically lying or Twitter is not able to secure itself because they probably have also fired the people in charge to do so
IIRC some of the employees who still have company-owned computers, etc have tried numerous times to return them with no response from Twitter. Like you said probably because those people were fired as well.
Goddamn I fucking HATE Zuck the Cuck, but in this one specific case, gotta give the dude credit: That's hilarious
For the longest time Twitter has been reportedly a fantastic place to work at, and they had some great engineers who would never be lured away to other companies for any amount of money.
Except for the unlikely scenario where Twitter is circling the drain and Meta comes in with an offer to build a competitor from scratch using all the tools at their disposal.