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German far right set for first major electoral victory since World War II

German far right wins first major election since World War II

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-far-right-elections-victory-afd-cdu-olaf-scholz/

The far-right Alternative for Germany party won the Thuringia state election, dealing a blow to the country’s coalition government.

German far right wins first major election since World War II

Björn Höcke being an elected member of the German state, however weak in actual power is not great to say the least. He's about as literal Nazi as it gets in mainstream German politics.

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Hendricus

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Unification was clearly a mistake

CriticalResist8

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Correction: it was an annexation

soekarnoenjoyer

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Nah, Stopping at Berlin was

REEEEvolution

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First electoral victory? The CDU/CSU ruled here for decades...

rostselmasch

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Yes, but we are speaking about a party witch is watched by the Verfassungsschutz. The AFD is at a point, where the german bourgeois states admits, that it is a far right party and has to be watched. Let's wait and see, if the CDU makes a coalition with AFD. I have a feeling, that they will.

thefreepenguinalt

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"wE'rE nOt fAr rIgHt, wE jUsT wAnT gErMaNy nOt tO bE iNvAdEd bY Le eBiL bRoWn pPL bCs a fEw oF tHeM aRe bAd!!!" -AfDlers

Well, and what about the white Germans who SA women? Those don't count? Even if you saw 100 stories of a brown person SAing a woman, that's still less than 1% of all brown people in Germany.

thefreepenguinalt

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and don't get me started with the "mUh mEnTaLiTy" bullshit.

rostselmasch

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I had the impression, that all those political parties literally waited that something like Solingen happened. Like a trigger was pulled and now they all were pushing all possible things against people seeking shelter in Germany. Ah, don't forget that this is again an excuse to advocate for more surveillance on the Internet by all means.

SadArtemis

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While the AFD is certainly a far-right party, I wouldn't consider the German bourgeois state an authority on the subject (unless we were talking about their own crimes). Germany doesn't need the AFD to be a far-right, fascistic hellhole, the bourgeois state is already eagerly doing it themselves, backing and aiding in industrial genocide in Palestine, and once again pursuing lebensraum (through NATO expansion) in eastern Europe.

For most causes (not the AFD) being watched by the modern gestapo should be a badge of honor. Seeing how they have treated countless anti-genocide activists and journalists, they have less than no standing to go on.

rostselmasch

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While the AFD is certainly a far-right party, I wouldn't consider the German bourgeois state an authority on the subject

That's not what I said. There es difference between denying and admitting. While the german bourgeois state admits it, they are freely supporting this party. SPD, GRÜNE, CDU/CSU are totally fine executing things, which the AFD always wanted and wants. Letting this party be, consider coalitions etc. while officially saying it is a far right party, has its own quality.

Germany doesn't need the AFD to be a far-right, fascistic hellhole, the bourgeois state is already eagerly doing it themselves, backing and aiding in industrial genocide in Palestine, and once again pursuing lebensraum (through NATO expansion) in eastern Europe.

Yes, they don't need the AFD. But still I see a difference between "We are liberal democrats, fascism bad on the paper, there is no genocide in Palestine" and "We are liberal democrats, AFD is far right and has fascist tendencies (That's how the official view is), but we are fine with it, support it and will eventually make a coalition with them, also no genocide in Palestine".

For most causes (not the AFD) being watched by the modern gestapo should be a badge of honor.

While I somehow understand what you mean, I think it is dangerous to be watched. Looking at their which conditions you have to met to be watched, its ridiculous but also says a lot. I would be alarmed, I mean, they have many means to even silence you or forbid you organisation - Which nothing at all matters for the AFD.

SadArtemis

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Personally I don't see a meaningful difference between the AFD/rather open fascists, and "liberal democrats" who would be doing all of the same anti-immigrant, anti-minority, etc. things either way (with less vitriol, but also more cover-ups and willful ignorance/washing their hands of the matter). The main difference is simply that one is more "honest" (if either can be called that- they shouldn't) about their hideous system.

Sorry for placing words in your mouth, or seeming to anyways (that wasn't exactly my intention). My point was simply that I couldn't care less if they were watched by or designated "far right" by the Verfassungsschutz/gestapo (that they actually are far-right is another matter worth caring about however), and that I don't think the German bourgeois, genocidaire, warmongering state's admission/designation adds to the credibility, rather the opposite, even if they said that the sky was blue it'd probably be best to doubt until you can look out and see it for yourself.

As for being watched that said, I agree. It is dangerous to be watched, and it would be better not to be. But what I meant was that many of those who are being watched by the German fascist state- those who are being actively persecuted- I see it more as a sign of their human decency and dignity rather than any demerit. Just because something is a "badge of honor" doesn't mean people should try for it, nor that it is a positive thing otherwise, or that the circumstances which led to its existence should have been present to begin with.

rostselmasch

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Sorry for placing words in your mouth, or seeming to anyways (that wasn't exactly my intention).

No problem, all good!

watched by or designated "far right" by the Verfassungsschutz/gestapo (that they actually are far-right is another matter worth caring about however), and that I don't think the German bourgeois, genocidaire, warmongering state's admission/designation adds to the credibility, rather the opposite, even if they said that the sky was blue it'd probably be best to doubt until you can look out and see it for yourself.

I agree with you. It doesn't add any credibility, its the opposite.

I primarily wanted to say that there was a rapid change of direction in the public debate. Starting with someone almost having to justify voting for the AFD or giving it a platform, and now it's completely normal to even think about a coalition.

The bourgeois state is no longer pretending regarding this matter. No attempts to disguise anything, but to say directly: "Yes, it's indeed a far-right party. Yes, that's okay, that's normal." They no longer need to lie to your face. I just think it's connected to the shift to the far right in the public discourse in Germany, normalising it and also the preparation for war. Exactly 85 years ago, Germany attacked Poland, now right-wing extremism is accepted in bourgeois politics and is treated as normal.

Contrary to decades before, you have now to justify yourself if you are against German militarism or against Yankee imperialism per se.

In other words, as if the bourgeois were not trying to disguise and justify its exploitation, but simply saying it right to your face, as if it were the most normal thing in the world. Or think of, when German admits tomorrow, that there is a genocide going on in Palestine and that there are fine with it - Contrary to denying it.

Just because something is a "badge of honor" doesn't mean people should try for it, nor that it is a positive thing otherwise, or that the circumstances which led to its existence should have been present to begin with.

Ah ok, good that you pointed that out. I met in the past organisations once, which were joking around how "cool" this would be. But of course, a serious organisation would take this matter serious.

Blursty

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~~The German bourgeoisie is committing genocide, so there's not really much daylight between these groups.~~

EDIT: I see that this discussion has already taken place.

Collatz_problem

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FRG spent decades suppressing the left in East Germany, and then does surprised-pika , when the far right takes its place.